Nitto ATP Finals 2025, Turin, Italy

[Moxie]

So your point?

To tease you.

 

[Moxie]

In a bit of poor timing, Margaret, I was in Turin 3 weeks ago. I wouldn't have been able to go right now, but it is ironic, as a tennis fan. Saw old friends. Lovely town.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

In a bit of poor timing, Margaret, I was in Turin 3 weeks ago. I wouldn't have been able to go right now, but it is ironic, as a tennis fan. Saw old friends. Lovely town.

Turin is a lovely town, bad luck with the timing, from what I hear the ATP finals has had an eclectric atmosphere, that is not a biased opinion btw I have friends attending the finals, they have also attended London, they much prefer the finals being in Turin

 

[Moxie]

Turin is a lovely town, bad luck with the timing, from what I hear the ATP finals has had an eclectric atmosphere, that is not a biased opinion btw I have friends attending the finals, they have also attended London, they much prefer the finals being in Turin

I have been to the O2, not for tennis, but it's cavernous, and the London traffic is awful. At the very least, Turin should be better in that way. Plus, you get to eat great food and drink lovely wine there.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I have been to the O2, not for tennis, but it's cavernous, and the London traffic is awful. At the very least, Turin should be better in that way. Plus, you get to eat great food and drink lovely wine there.

I am not a fan of London, even though my daughter lives there and loves it, traffic is the Pits and in Winter it is dark at 3pm
Also Heathrow airport must be one of the worst air ports in the world, I usually take the train from Paris to London, if I am visiting London

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Order of Play,
Singles,
Friday 14th November,

Not before 2.00pm local time
Sinner v Shelton, Sinner has already qualified for the SFs, while Shelton tries to win his first match at the finals. Sinner leads their H2H 7-1

Not before 8.30pm local time,
Zverev vs FAA, to play for the final SF spot. Zverev leads their H2H 6-3, but FAA won their most recent match

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Sinner closes out the round robin with a 63 76(3) win over Shelton and extends his H2H 8-1
Finishes with a 3-0 in the Bjorn Borg Group
Underfeated. Unbroken.Not a single set dropped in Turin so far.
29th consecutive indoor win
16 consecutive set won at the ATP Finals
He has already booked his spot in the SFs, where he will play de Minaur, the real contest begins

BTW,
Shelton finishes the season number #9 ( arrived Turin as No 5) after being the only player that lost all 3 matches in ATP Finals in Turin

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

BTW,
Since the events inauguration in 1970, Jannik Sinner is the first player to win all 3 Round Robin matches without conceding a set in consecutive years at the ATP Finals!

 

[kskate2]

Hi MM,
I'm finally back. Thanks for keeping the thread going.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Hi MM,
I'm finally back. Thanks for keeping the thread going.

No worries Keli
Welcome back!

 

[kskate2]

Saw some of Ben's match. He's still a ball basher to me. Needs someone else to develop his return and point construction tools. That would require him firing Dad and I don't see that happening as Brian gave up his job at FSU to coach Ben. What is he supposed to do now?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Saw some of Ben's match. He's still a ball basher to me. Needs someone else to develop his return and point construction tools. That would require him firing Dad and I don't see that happening as Brian gave up his job at FSU to coach Ben. What is he supposed to do now?

No idea, actually his game is a mess., agree no return game and his construction on basic points leaves me scratching my head, if he continues with dad as his coach, his game will not improve, you and I have been saying for a couple of years now, he needs to find another coach to take him to the next level,

 

[El Dude]

Andy Roddick is big on Shelton, but he kind of has to be; or, at least, it is wishful thinking in wanting an American player to be top tier and break the Slam dry spell.

Anyhow, he's pointed out that considering he started playing tennis late, Shelton's progress and level is rather amazing. On the other hand, he has a raw quality that might not ever become polished, which would limit his upside.

Either way, he's one of the most intriguing non-Sincaraz players, in terms of upside and range of outcomes. But in some ways, he's noteworthy for having a very high floor. Barring injury, given how rough he is, what he's accomplished is rather noteworthy of his talent level. Meaning, regardless of whether or not he jumps to a new level, he's probably going to be a top 10 guy for years to come and has a good chance of having a later peak, maybe in 2-3 years once he gets a bit more polish. I don't think he'll ever be in the Sincaraz class, but he could be Wawrinka-esque, and sneak in a Slam or two. Meaning, of non-Sincaraz players, who is more likely to eventually win a Slam? I'd say Fonseca, but after him, I think Shelton (and maybe Mensik) are more likely than guys like Fils, Musetti, and Draper.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Andy Roddick is big on Shelton, but he kind of has to be; or, at least, it is wishful thinking in wanting an American player to be top tier and break the Slam dry spell.

Anyhow, he's pointed out that considering he started playing tennis late, Shelton's progress and level is rather amazing. On the other hand, he has a raw quality that might not ever become polished, which would limit his upside.

Either way, he's one of the most intriguing non-Sincaraz players, in terms of upside and range of outcomes. But in some ways, he's noteworthy for having a very high floor. Barring injury, given how rough he is, what he's accomplished is rather noteworthy of his talent level. Meaning, regardless of whether or not he jumps to a new level, he's probably going to be a top 10 guy for years to come and has a good chance of having a later peak, maybe in 2-3 years once he gets a bit more polish. I don't think he'll ever be in the Sincaraz class, but he could be Wawrinka-esque, and sneak in a Slam or two. Meaning, of non-Sincaraz players, who is more likely to eventually win a Slam? I'd say Fonseca, but after him, I think Shelton (and maybe Mensik) are more likely than guys like Fils, Musetti, and Draper.

Raw and natural talent isnt enough these days for players to take it to the top of our game or even win a GS
I have watched all Bens matches this week, he needs to go back to the 'basic's' and learn how to construct a point? regardless of his poor return game which hasnt improved at all.
At least Fonseca knows how to construct a point and has a clear vision on court what he wants to achieve?
Unless Ben goes back to the basic's of tennis, his game will plateau, quite frankly it has plateaued.
BTW I had placed Rune in the natural talent, but again his shot selection at times, his focus let him down, lets see how he recovers after that awful injury that has him out of the game to midway in 2026, with his rehab going well

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Just tuned into Felix v Zed match
3 all 1st set
Felix please stay away from Zeds bhand, attack his fhand, when you can, bring Zed forward to the net
Good hold Felix saving BP after your short fhand error,
Felix 5-4
Felix with 3 SP attacking the fhand wing of Zed
15-40
Come on Felix
2 SP saved from Zed good 1st serves, actually his serving all week has been 'on song'
Deuce, saved by Zed's bhand
A Djoko smash at the net from Zed, that was an easy volley btw
On his 4th SP Felix wins the 1st set 64, with a great cross court fhand ( my Canadian friend is having kittens so far in this match, we have been texting back and forward)
Zed has left the court, again Zed just plays defensive tennis, Felix is playing to win!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Zed looks flat as a tack early in the 2nd set, looks down, has to forget the 1st set and focus
Lucky to escape his service game, with a DF and also another BP, he holds
Felix with a couple of loose shots, dont hand a life line to Zed please Felix
Great serving from Felix saved 2BPs. stop whinging Zed it is up to you to convert BPs
Felix does a escape game and holds 3-2.
Jesus stay away from the net Zed! back to deuce and a time violation on his serve to boot!
Felix tough hold and leads 4-3 ( good time to break Felix)
Zverev finds a way to hold after being down in his service game
4 games all, both players have been a bit erratic in this 2nd set

 

[Fiero425]

Andy Roddick is big on Shelton, but he kind of has to be; or, at least, it is wishful thinking in wanting an American player to be top tier and break the Slam dry spell.

Anyhow, he's pointed out that considering he started playing tennis late, Shelton's progress and level is rather amazing. On the other hand, he has a raw quality that might not ever become polished, which would limit his upside.

Either way, he's one of the most intriguing non-Sincaraz players, in terms of upside and range of outcomes. But in some ways, he's noteworthy for having a very high floor. Barring injury, given how rough he is, what he's accomplished is rather noteworthy of his talent level. Meaning, regardless of whether or not he jumps to a new level, he's probably going to be a top 10 guy for years to come and has a good chance of having a later peak, maybe in 2-3 years once he gets a bit more polish. I don't think he'll ever be in the Sincaraz class, but he could be Wawrinka-esque, and sneak in a Slam or two. Meaning, of non-Sincaraz players, who is more likely to eventually win a Slam? I'd say Fonseca, but after him, I think Shelton (and maybe Mensik) are more likely than guys like Fils, Musetti, and Draper.

Shelton's only marginally better than his dad! They're both left-handers who had/have big serves & & forehands, but not much else! Shelton has to fix that BH; predictably going crosscourt allowing Sinner to just sit on the shot when Ben was at net! I was embarrassed for the guy as he got passed again & again w/o realizing why! Cross-Court approaches to the net have always been frowned upon for as long as I can remember so he's doing it b/c he doesn't have a DTL backhand approach due to technical difficulties!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

This is a good opportunity for Felix at 30 all
Zed's fhand again making errors
Felix you sprayed you fhand no pressure at all
Zed holds and finds a way, this match is tight as a drum
5 games all 2nd set
Zed now missing bhands?
Zed will now serve to force a TB for the 2nd set 5-6
Help me Zeds footwork is as slow as a snail, quite frankly is has been like that all match
Even the net cord has been cruel to Zed in this match
30 all come on Felix, No you over played it Felix
6 games all TB for the 2nd set, Come on Felix
Felix to serve first, this 2nd set has gone just over 1 hour btw
Felix had a mini break, but loose fhand cost him
3 all
Better fhand from Feliz with authority 4 all
Felix good overhead 5-4
There you go Zeds fhand breaks down
Felix 6-4 with 2 MPs

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Congrats to Felix into the SFs for the first time in his career defeating Zverev 64 76(4), he was the steadier and the stronger mentally in the match
Felix will play Alaraz in the SF
My Dear Canadian friend I think has fainted with delight! she hasnt returned my text! lol!

 

[Moxie]

Congrats to Felix into the SFs for the first time in his career defeating Zverev 64 76(4), he was the steadier and the stronger mentally in the match
Felix will play Alaraz in the SF
My Dear Canadian friend I think has fainted with delight! she hasnt returned my text! lol!

Felix sort of surprised late in each of those sets, but Zed was too nervy, as is his way. Wanted it too much. Good win for FAA.