@Front242: I don't want to derail the Miami thread with our argument about the vaccine. This is your post from that thread that I declined to respond to:
Those experimental treatments (I'm calling them what are they are and they're not vaccines and not directed at you btw as everyone from the media and manufacturers is incorrectly referring to them as vaccines) don't stop you getting or transmitting covid and only reduce severity of symptoms if you happen to catch it so all in all pretty useless imo and to cap it all they don't even know how long the symptom reducing protection works for. If they work for the old and sick then good I'm happy and let the rest of us get on with our lives 'cos no one else needs them. Can't see that changing things much to be honest. Masks, distancing and all this other world changing crap is here to stay unfortunately. Sad that the media fail to acknowledge though that chances of catching covid outdoors are practically zero unless eg. groups of runners bunched together at the Olympics inhaling one another's air supply.
That Tsitsipas was fined for going to a shop is complete bs. What's the difference between him going to a shop and wearing a mask v anyone else? In fact, he's much less likely to have covid given the players are tested way more than some normal person in a shop. Likewise, flying to tournaments, you know everyone who has got on a flight is covid free as they have to pay for a test now (massive money racket) before they fly and after they land so, again, players are therefore way less likely to have covid than a normal shopper. The world has gone absolutely bonkers. No logic to these fines or protocols.
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You also said that they don't vaccinate people for diseases that have a 1% mortality rate. Sure they do. I really don't think you understand how vaccinations work. Hep A has a low mortality rate, but we get vaccinated for it when we go into countries where there is a risk, because it would be a drag to get it. We get vaccinated against flu (unless you're a selfish wanker) because there is a higher risk of mortality amongst those in higher risk groups. And we're getting vaccinated against COVID-19 because, not only will it stop the spread of the disease, it will stop/curtail the growth of variants, which have an unknown contagion and morbidity rate.
I don't know why you're still so paranoid that these are still only "experimental treatments." Millions have been vaccinated to no ill effect. I'm actually in a trial, meaning I put myself up as a guinea pig, and I'm fine. (And there was no placebo, btw. I received a trial vaccine.) But vaccination may keep those who receive it from spreading it, and does seem to keep them from getting a mortal form of it. It also seems to lessen symptoms in those who have long-term COVID.
If you're selfish enough to care only about yourself, sure, your chances of getting COVID or suffering hugely from it are smaller, as a hale and hearty younger man. Doesn't mean you can't get it, though, and that it wouldn't be unpleasant. However, if you get vaccinated, the chances that you transmit it to others is reduced. That is how vaccinations work.
I don't know that anyone has ever said that being out of doors doesn't reduce the chance of spread. I think everyone acknowledges that. That's why ventilation indoors is key. And I'm not convinced that masking and physical distancing are here to stay, if people get vaccinated. I really hope not, and that's why I'm getting my jabs.
You actually contradict your own point about Tsitsipas going to the market. As you point out, people there are not regulated. In the bubble, they are. That's why he broke protocol.
As to the airlines, there are many, many airlines and many many countries. Their protocols are by no means the same, so your notion that they are all testing at the gate and charging for it is ludicrous, as a general mandate.
It's clear from all of the above, and by that I mean the whole thread, that you are an anti-vaxxer. That is your choice, but I think it is an anti-science position. Or at the very least, fearful against the best evidence.
