2022 Wimbledon F: Djokovic vs. Kyrgios

[Front242]

He had a puff of his magic potion bottle as well after he returned to the court

Could well be Xenon or Argon gas. One or two puffs can give an instant cardio/oxygen level boost. This is my guess since he's been caught puffing on this as you mentioned. An absolute joke. Venus Williams was pictured with her inhaler a few times and in one match left after losing a 6-0 set only to return and win the next 6-0. It's easy to get a TUE for this crap and rife for cheating. Doping controls in tennis are a joke.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Could well be Xenon or Argon gas. One or two puffs can give an instant cardio/oxygen level boost. This is my guess since he's been caught puffing on this as you mentioned. An absolute joke. Venus Williams was pictured with her inhaler a few times and in one match left after losing a 6-0 set only to return and win the next 6-0. It's easy to get a TUE for this crap and rife for cheating. Doping controls in tennis are a joke.

Apparently Novak is putting out a documentary in the Autumn outlining his potions and how he over came a abdominal tear at the Ao 2021, again, with magic potions, getting hooked up to machines, and every pain killer known to man...stay tuned

 

[Kieran]

And cheated might be hyperbole, but given that he's won it 9 times and was the heavy favorite....

Can we all agree that Rafa is a stronger favourite in Paris than Novak ever is in Australia? Is that a fair comment?

Now do your research backwards: after Rafa won his ninth RG title, what happened the following year?

@MikeOne and any others who wrongly think that Novak was cheated this year can help you answer this. Anyone who thinks that Novak would have won the title. Anyone who thinks that Rafa’s great victory is tainted or undeserved.

I’ll wait…

 

[Kieran]

Could well be Xenon or Argon gas. One or two puffs can give an instant cardio/oxygen level boost. This is my guess since he's been caught puffing on this as you mentioned. An absolute joke. Venus Williams was pictured with her inhaler a few times and in one match left after losing a 6-0 set only to return and win the next 6-0. It's easy to get a TUE for this crap and rife for cheating. Doping controls in tennis are a joke.

What’s in these inhalers that should be - or is - a banned substance that would require a TUE?

I’m not familiar with them..

 

[kskate2]

Btw what exactly does Djoker do in the bathroom for 7 mins each match

This is from the Norrie match, but I'm going to leave this right here:

I can see it playing out like this: Standing at the mirror; sniff, "I can do this", sniff, "No one smashes like me", sniff, "I am the HDIC", sniff, "Now let's go"!!!

 

[TheSicilian]

Could well be Xenon or Argon gas. One or two puffs can give an instant cardio/oxygen level boost. This is my guess since he's been caught puffing on this as you mentioned. An absolute joke. Venus Williams was pictured with her inhaler a few times and in one match left after losing a 6-0 set only to return and win the next 6-0. It's easy to get a TUE for this crap and rife for cheating. Doping controls in tennis are a joke.

Interesting... I think maybe the inhaling thing is just a distraction, it looks dodgy but surely no one would be that cocky to take something in front of the camera? If he does something in the toilet that's way more suspect. I read on twitter from the account who posted the bottle inhaling video. An interview from some legendary doping chemist, about asthma inhalers called transporters because they multiple the effects of peds by 5 times... I can link you the article if you like? What's most interesting is the twitter accounts posting these things are not tennis fan accounts, so it's not bitter fans, I think these people probably don't even follow tennis, they just call suspects cheats out.

 

[TheSicilian]

What’s in these inhalers that should be - or is - a banned substance that would require a TUE?

I’m not familiar with them..

Salbutamol, Clenbuterol both used to treat Asthma for example. I don't know a lot about Asthma/Inhaling Peds. But did read a bit a few months ago about Liverpool, have you seen any of the articles about Liverpool? The story is 22 out of 35 in the squad are asthmatic... All conspiracy rumours but well worth reading/watching some of the information around.

 

[Kieran]

Salbutamol, Clenbuterol both used to treat Asthma for example. I don't know a lot about Asthma/Inhaling Peds. But did read a bit a few months ago about Liverpool, have you seen any of the articles about Liverpool? The story is 22 out of 35 in the squad are asthmatic... All conspiracy rumours but well worth reading/watching some of the information around.

No, I didn’t know that. It’s kind of like all the Russians (like sharapova) having dodgy tickers. It seems like there’s more heart ailments there than normal…

 

[TheSicilian]

No, I didn’t know that. It’s kind of like all the Russians (like sharapova) having dodgy tickers. It seems like there’s more heart ailments there than normal…

The doping accounts/articles make an interesting point about Djokovic. After the Sharapova doping scandal, Djokovic's form went downhill, he didn't win a slam for 2.5 years. He went from winning 4 in a row to failing to win any of the next 8.

 

[Kieran]

The doping accounts/articles make an interesting point about Djokovic. After the Sharapova doping scandal, Djokovic's form went downhill, he didn't win a slam for 2.5 years. He went from winning 4 in a row to failing to win any of the next 8.

Another wow for that one! Genuinely didn’t make the connection, but it’s true that after the FO his form dipped. I put it down to other reasons..

 

[TheSicilian]

Another wow for that one! Genuinely didn’t make the connection, but it’s true that after the FO his form dipped. I put it down to other reasons..

Yeah, obviously these are just peoples theories but they are definitely interesting to think about.

 

[Kieran]

Yeah, obviously these are just peoples theories but they are definitely interesting to think about.

Exactly. I tended to think of it as a natural dip after an incredible achievement..

 

[MikeOne]

Hey Mikeone, where did you go when Nadal beat Djokovic at RG? Also, why was Djokovic overconfident going into that match against the King of Clay?

Rafa kept claiming he couldn’t walk or feel bis foot, tactics?

I didn’t realize that a player who has put in detention due to visa problems (both sides are fault) made it difficult for him (sarcasm).

If that’s case then Medvedev also had a hard time too because he lost a two set lead at GS Final, got an injury and minor surgery AND a country’s government banned him from competing at one of the slams due to his nationality (not Medvedev’s choice or fault).

Berrettini is another player that got a hard time. Got a wrist injury after playing well at AO, couldn’t play IW/Miami and the whole Clay season due to the same injury. Won two Grass tune-ups, then got COVID and had to withdraw from Wimbledon. Now that’s TOUGH LUCK!

you must lack basic undertsanding of mind vs body. Rafa has had many physical issues yet has 22 slams… kyrgios has had as much talent, has no slams and claims he has been suicidal even… agassi couldn’t win a match for a period of time after 95 final loss to sampras, had to even go down to challengers. Need i educate you on how inportant the mind is or will you so some research on your own or just see clearly for a minute, if you can get past your hatred for djokovic..
From my standpoint, medvedev is in a better spot than djokovic. He missed wimbledon? So what, he had slim chance to win it and happy to see novak go down to #7 in rankings despite winning wimbledon. Medvedev is back playing well and well positioned to win for rest of year, he has certainty in front him meanwhile novak has uncertainty. Berrettini had his physical issues but back playing really good tennis and like medvedev, has certainty for remainder of year. Covid was bad luck but glad you bring this up, isn’t he vaccinated? Should tournaments ban vaccinated players from all events given they seem to de dropping like flies with covid? Why ban novak? Just thought i’d get your perspective here.

novak has had a tougher year than these two unless you discount mental issues as irrelevant, as if only physical issues matter. Here’s a 20 slam champ who chooses not get vaccinated and is attacked by media and politicians, social media and cast as face of anti-vaxxers. Truth is, he has never being against vaccine for others, he just thinks he doesn’t need it, his personal decision. Austrlia knew of his status yet AO and victorian state gave him green light to come in, he didn’t try to hide anything. Then, federal government sees an opportunity to use him as a political pawn, detains and deport, despite courts siding with novak initially. Then he is attacked by the horrible people who can’t respect his decision and treated as a villain. He then can’t play tournaments in US, his schedule uncertain, he is attacked personally by people i consider to be losers and hateful. If this had happened to others, they may have even retired from tennis or just been unable to focus on anything…

but you seem to just be one of those people who basically discounts mental state and hates djokovic so your ability to think clearly is in question…

 

[Kieran]

Rafa kept claiming he couldn’t walk or feel bis foot, tactics?


you must lack basic undertsanding of mind vs body. Rafa has had many physical issues yet has 22 slams… kyrgios has had as much talent, has no slams and claims he has been suicidal even… agassi couldn’t win a match for a period of time after 95 final loss to sampras, had to even go down to challengers. Need i educate you on how inportant the mind is or will you so some research on your own or just see clearly for a minute, if you can get past your hatred for djokovic..
From my standpoint, medvedev is in a better spot than djokovic. He missed wimbledon? So what, he had slim chance to win it and happy to see novak go down to #7 in rankings despite winning wimbledon. Medvedev is back playing well and well positioned to win for rest of year, he has certainty in front him meanwhile novak has uncertainty. Berrettini had his physical issues but back playing really good tennis and like medvedev, has certainty for remainder of year. Covid was bad luck but glad you bring this up, isn’t he vaccinated? Should tournaments ban vaccinated players from all events given they seem to de dropping like flies with covid? Why ban novak? Just thought i’d get your perspective here.

novak has had a tougher year than these two unless you discount mental issues as irrelevant, as if only physical issues matter. Here’s a 20 slam champ who chooses not get vaccinated and is attacked by media and politicians, social media and cast as face of anti-vaxxers. Truth is, he has never being against vaccine for others, he just thinks he doesn’t need it, his personal decision. Austrlia knew of his status yet AO and victorian state gave him green light to come in, he didn’t try to hide anything. Then, federal government sees an opportunity to use him as a political pawn, detains and deport, despite courts siding with novak initially. Then he is attacked by the horrible people who can’t respect his decision and treated as a villain. He then can’t play tournaments in US, his schedule uncertain, he is attacked personally by people i consider to be losers and hateful. If this had happened to others, they may have even retired from tennis or just been unable to focus on anything…

but you seem to just be one of those people who basically discounts mental state and hates djokovic so your ability to think clearly is in question…

Seriously. Can neither you nor Novak afford to use google? It’s free! It would have taken him six seconds to google whether or not he had a valid medical exemption to enter the country or not. I did it, he could have done it. You could have done it.

Whatever a fanboy you are, it’s better to argue when you have truth on your side. It’s ludicrous and dishonest for anyone - including Novak - to argue that he had legit clearance to enter Australia. Even if he was promised such, it would have taken him six seconds to find the truth. That’s the moment he should have hired his swaggering army of Johnny Cochranes, but he didn’t. He lied and was dishonest throughout. I can only think you’re trolling this one now, hoping there’s still one gullible sap lurking somewhere who believes you…

 

[MikeOne]

hahahhaa conspiracy theories now on novak doping in 11 and then dipping when had to stop. Incidently, what about his dominant stretch in 15-16 when he won 4 slams in a row? Was he back to doping?

you want conspiracy theories? Here’s a good one:

Rafael Nadal Accused of Doping by French Former Sports Minister | Tennis News

Former French minister for health and sports Roselyne Bachelot indicated that Rafael Nadal missed most of 2012 because he had tested positive for doping.

sports.ndtv.com

Former French minister for health and sports Roselyne Bachelot indicated that Rafael Nadal missed most of 2012 because he had tested positive for doping.​

 

[Kieran]

hahahhaa conspiracy theories now on novak doping in 11 and then dipping when had to stop. Incidently, what about his dominant stretch in 15-16 when he won 4 slams in a row? Was he back to doping?

you want conspiracy theories? Here’s a good one:

Rafael Nadal Accused of Doping by French Former Sports Minister | Tennis News

Former French minister for health and sports Roselyne Bachelot indicated that Rafael Nadal missed most of 2012 because he had tested positive for doping.

sports.ndtv.com

Former French minister for health and sports Roselyne Bachelot indicated that Rafael Nadal missed most of 2012 because he had tested positive for doping.​

That actually went to court and Rafa won…

 

[MikeOne]

That actually went to court and Rafa won…

Exactly, as i said, it was a conspiracy theory… same as any claims about novak.

this is why i love being a novak fan, he is such a disrupter of the fedal religious cult and the woke governments trying to control people. When he does well, he makes people go nuts.. call it nole derangement syndrome. Love it…. Meanwhile he continues to erase fedal from record books despite having to deal with opponents on court and off court, which include media and powerful governments. Nothing can stop him though…

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

For me, Djokovic has been the maker of his own problems. He is not nor does he seem to have a great PR strategy or team in place to navigate his dicey choices. He seems to have this great smugness and sneer that comes across when caught in questionable situations. With Djokovic, there never is any sense that he feels he did anything wrong or could have approached things differently which goes a long way in public perception.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Exactly, as i said, it was a conspiracy theory… same as any claims about novak.

this is why i love being a novak fan, he is such a disrupter of the fedal religious cult and the woke governments trying to control people. When he does well, he makes people go nuts.. call it nole derangement syndrome. Love it…. Meanwhile he continues to erase fedal from record books despite having to deal with opponents on court and off court, which include media and powerful governments. Nothing can stop him though…

Mike can I ask you when you became a Novak Fan...thanks.

 

[TheSicilian]

Exactly, as i said, it was a conspiracy theory… same as any claims about novak.

this is why i love being a novak fan, he is such a disrupter of the fedal religious cult and the woke governments trying to control people. When he does well, he makes people go nuts.. call it nole derangement syndrome. Love it…. Meanwhile he continues to erase fedal from record books despite having to deal with opponents on court and off court, which include media and powerful governments. Nothing can stop him though…

If any player has boiled the piss this year & caused fans to go nuts it's not Novak. It's Rafa... Look at all the hate from the Nolefam after Rafa won the AO. Instead of celebrating his Wimbledon victory some of his fans are going on about AO Then at RG the Nolefam predicting he would destroy Rafa in 3 sets... After Rafa wins they accuse him of doping because of anaesthetic injections. Even Djokovic publicly said he didn't believe Rafa's injury Now at Wimbledon the Nolefam are still accusing Rafa of faking his abdominal injury... But of course Djokovic is in all the fedal fan's heads If any player is living rent free in another fan base's head. It's Rafa in the Nolefam's