BNP Paribas Masters 1000, Paris

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

woot. the Burundi drums signal impending change at top of the rank charts.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

last year paris was so slow everyone was moaning about it even on day one.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Nice to see they've speeded it up a bit.

i wasn;t sure as i watched -- but i did think lately some courts were somewhat ''quicker ball" moving back and forth.

could that also be a small reason why - for example -- someone like CILIC is having a recent surge?

 

[teddytennisfan]

last year paris was so slow everyone was moaning about it even on day one.

INDOOR used to be really fast in the 1990's -

and of course there was carpet as well - which was fast.

 

[masterclass]

Not sure what you're pointing to here, MC. That the court has been speeding up since it was once carpet?

What ever happened to the idea that Paris wanted to move to February because it was a wasteland at the end of the season, btw?

Well, I had hoped that the picture graphs would be sufficient, rather than a wordy explanation. But considering your reply, I'm not sure....

The trend since 2010, has obviously been a massive slowing of the traditionally faster indoor surface.

In 2010 as I pointed out above, conditions were genuinely fast (48 CPR). Some players complained it was too fast - Nalbandian said it was like an ice skating rink.

They slowed it some in 2011 (to 41 - Med Fast), and then since 2012, where they changed the surface to match the O2's, they slowed it down drastically, reaching clay like slowness last year (<30). Many players complained it was too slow.

This year, they finally reversed the muddying trend, and sped it up to a medium pace.

Furthermore, it appears there may be a correspondence to the conditions over these years, and the players that excelled, but that is up to the interpreters of the data to conclude.

I'm happy that the ATP has released this data for this tournament, but It's too bad the public has not been given more complete actual CPR data over the years for all tournaments, but then the ATP/ITF have never been known for their transparency. I personally think it should be publicly posted for every tournament (adjusted for weather).

Respectfully,
masterclass

 

[Obsi]

Congratulations to Andy Murray the new No. 1

 

[teddytennisfan]

Congratulations to Andy Murray the new No. 1

yes -- CONGRATS ANDY !!!

you Deserve this -- and to join the elites of history as a World Number One among Majors holders.

andy -- we all know -- like his fellow number ones like the great nole , rafa, roger --

has worked very, very hard -- and bring out as much of his talent as possible with real professionalism.

and he deserves the reward it brings -- this time - for his turn as world number ONE!

i am sure NOLE will only be very happy for his colleague...because that is how NOLE IS.

he knows what it is like and what it takes and what it MEANS.


but nole WILL have something to say about it TOO TO TRY and regain the rank.

BUT TODAY and this time -- ANDY MURRAY deserves his GLORY as the World Number One. !!

CONGRATULATIONS !!

 

[Moxie]

Well, I had hoped that the picture graphs would be sufficient, rather than a wordy explanation. But considering your reply, I'm not sure....

The trend since 2010, has obviously been a massive slowing of the traditionally faster indoor surface.

In 2010 as I pointed out above, conditions were genuinely fast (48 CPR). Some players complained it was too fast - Nalbandian said it was like an ice skating rink.

They slowed it some in 2011 (to 41 - Med Fast), and then since 2012, where they changed the surface to match the O2's, they slowed it down drastically, reaching clay like slowness last year (<30). Many players complained it was too slow.

This year, they finally reversed the muddying trend, and sped it up to a medium pace.

Furthermore, it appears there may be a correspondence to the conditions over these years, and the players that excelled, but that is up to the interpreters of the data to conclude.

I'm happy that the ATP has released this data for this tournament, but It's too bad the public has not been given more complete actual CPR data over the years for all tournaments, but then the ATP/ITF have never been known for their transparency. I personally think it should be publicly posted for every tournament (adjusted for weather).

Respectfully,
masterclass

Thanks for the wider explanation, MC. It would be interesting if there were more info on other tournaments, as you say.

However, I don't see what we learn from the past 6 years based on slower/faster in Paris. In 2010, you say the courts were faster, yet Federer lost early to Monfils, and Soderling beat Monfils in the finals. I would have thought that a fast indoor HC favors Fed. And Soderling was actually favored on slower courts. 2011, they slowed them down to Medium-slow Tsonga beat Isner, who, as a big server, maybe not benefitted by the slowing of the courts, and this is when Fed finally won Paris. 2012: Med-slow: Ferrer won. 2013-15: Medium-slow: Djokovic; 2016: Faster surface: final is Isner v. Murray.

In my opinion, a factor of Paris is that it is the last MS1000 of the year. Players are injured, jaded, etc. That's why Paris wanted to move to Feb. And is also why, Roger, of all indoor players, didn't win it until 2011. I really wonder if the surface matters as much as its placement in the calendar. And its effort to match the O2 surface has president, so there's nothing wrong with that. Just wanting it to be fast "because" isn't the best argument.

 

[britbox]

Results from the Paris Masters Men's Singles Semifinal matches on Saturday

John Isner (U.S.) beat 9-Marin Cilic (Croatia) 6-4 6-3
Andy Murray beat Milos Raonic WALKOVER

 

[britbox]

John Isner (U.S.) beat 9-Marin Cilic (Croatia) 6-4 6-3

 

[britbox]

 

[britbox]

BNP Paribas Masters 1000, Paris Final

v

Andy Murray v John Isner

H2H: Murray leads 7-0

2016 Vienna QF Hard Andy Murray John Isner 6-1 6-3
2016 FO - RG R16 Clay Andy Murray John Isner 7-6(9) 6-4 6-3
2015 Shanghai Masters R16 Hard Andy Murray John Isner 6-7(4) 6-4 6-4
2015 Great Britain v USA - DC WG - R1 0 Hard Andy Murray John Isner 7-6(4) 6-3 7-6(4)
2014 Cincinnati Masters R16 Hard Andy Murray John Isner 6-7(3) 6-4 7-6(2)
2011 US Open QF Hard Andy Murray John Isner 7-5 6-4 3-6 7-6(2)
2010 Australian Open R16 Hard Andy Murray John Isner 7-6(4) 6-3 6-2


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[britbox]

Can't see much beyond a coronation party for Andy Murray in the final. Shame Djoker didn't make the final to put an extra spin on proceedings.

 

[Moxie]

Can't see much beyond a coronation party for Andy Murray in the final. Shame Djoker didn't make the final to put an extra spin on proceedings.

There's still the YEC for that.

 

[Tennis Fan]

Congrats to Sir Andy, but there's still YEC next week. The year end tournament will still determine who gets that honor, doesn't it? This next tournament will be interesting.

 

[DarthFed]

Now that Murray has won Paris it got me wondering which MS events are missing from his trophy room. I think it is only Indian Wells and Monte Carlo. Quite an amazing run of form, given the state of Djoker and the absence of Fed he has his best chance yet at winning a YEC.

 

[teddytennisfan]

CONGRATULATIONS TO WORLD NUMBER ONE

ANDY MURRAY ..
for Winning another Title from Paris.

A very well-done consolidation of Andy's
joining the Club of World Number ONES.


congratulation ss also to
JOHN ISNER
for finishing as
NUMBER ONE

in the usa..
and 2nd year in a row inside the top 20..
GOOD LUCK at the NBA.​

 

[teddytennisfan]

Congrats to Sir Andy, but there's still YEC next week. The year end tournament will still determine who gets that honor, doesn't it? This next tournament will be interesting.

PROBABLY it is still up for grab next week.

they mentioned that he's around 250 points earned above Nole. so it can be overturned if Nole wins next week.

i think....

 

[teddytennisfan]

BNP Paribas Masters 1000, Paris Final

v

Andy Murray v John Isner

H2H: Murray leads 7-0

2016 Vienna QF Hard Andy Murray John Isner 6-1 6-3
2016 FO - RG R16 Clay Andy Murray John Isner 7-6(9) 6-4 6-3
2015 Shanghai Masters R16 Hard Andy Murray John Isner 6-7(4) 6-4 6-4
2015 Great Britain v USA - DC WG - R1 0 Hard Andy Murray John Isner 7-6(4) 6-3 7-6(4)
2014 Cincinnati Masters R16 Hard Andy Murray John Isner 6-7(3) 6-4 7-6(2)
2011 US Open QF Hard Andy Murray John Isner 7-5 6-4 3-6 7-6(2)
2010 Australian Open R16 Hard Andy Murray John Isner 7-6(4) 6-3 6-2


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oh my -- ANDY REALLY OWNS isner..

 

[teddytennisfan]

Thanks for the wider explanation, MC. It would be interesting if there were more info on other tournaments, as you say.

However, I don't see what we learn from the past 6 years based on slower/faster in Paris. In 2010, you say the courts were faster, yet Federer lost early to Monfils, and Soderling beat Monfils in the finals. I would have thought that a fast indoor HC favors Fed. And Soderling was actually favored on slower courts. 2011, they slowed them down to Medium-slow Tsonga beat Isner, who, as a big server, maybe not benefitted by the slowing of the courts, and this is when Fed finally won Paris. 2012: Med-slow: Ferrer won. 2013-15: Medium-slow: Djokovic; 2016: Faster surface: final is Isner v. Murray.

In my opinion, a factor of Paris is that it is the last MS1000 of the year. Players are injured, jaded, etc. That's why Paris wanted to move to Feb. And is also why, Roger, of all indoor players, didn't win it until 2011. I really wonder if the surface matters as much as its placement in the calendar. And its effort to match the O2 surface has president, so there's nothing wrong with that. Just wanting it to be fast "because" isn't the best argument.

VERY very GOOD argument especially in your second part, Moxie.
something that is so easy to forget indeed. that no matter the chase for points -- a certain exhaustion does set in somewhere ..and it's a matter now , at least in part, of attrition...which of ourse IS part of the race...

who has the gas left to make one last push better than others.

but yea -- great points.