Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal fans slammed by Alex Corretja for attitude towards rivalry

[tented]

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal fans slammed by Alex Corretja for attitude towards rivalry

Amen!

You see? It’s not just me. (And @Murat Baslamisli ... I think )

 

[don_fabio]

Yeah, there's been too much bad blood between the fans. When I see a fedal match coming up on GS to me it feels like a national holiday, not a war.

 

[El Dude]

Its partially why I can't muster the energy to post much here these days. The Fedal Wars dominate everything and are simply exhausting, tedious, and at this point, boring.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Federer fans have bashed and dismissed Nadal, his accomplishments and his fans for over a decade now. They literally redefined the word "arrogance" by bringing it to a whole new level. Federer fans who were also moderators even banned many Nadal fans from discussion forums just because they dared to defend Nadal and say that he's a candidate for Goat. They have been so stuck-up for so many years and now that things are turning around and Nadal fans might get the last laugh and have been happy celebrating the latest USO win, we are all of a sudden supposed to "stop", "be fans of both" and " be friends".

They have laughed at Nadal's injuries, accused him of PEDs, called him a clay-specialist, a cheat, a moonballer, Olympics means nothing, masters 1000 mean nothing, Federer loses only because of "match-up problem", etc. etc. etc. And they kept replying to any argument or discussion with things like 17 > 14 or whatever number things were at. Well, now it's time for KARMA. We Nadal fans won't be as arrogant but we will definitely celebrate without tip toeing around Fed fans feelings.

 

[El Dude]

Case in point.

 

[atttomole]

While I like Corretja’s political correctness, I think what he is saying is unrealistic. It is wishful for him to say that fans of one player should try to enjoy the other player. Corretja knows very well how sports rivalries work. My guess is that, as a Spanish guy, he is a supporter of either Real Madrid or Barcelona.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Federer fans have bashed and dismissed Nadal, his accomplishments and his fans for over a decade now. They literally redefined the word "arrogance" by bringing it to a whole new level. Federer fans who were also moderators even banned many Nadal fans from discussion forums just because they dared to defend Nadal and say that he's a candidate for Goat. They have been so stuck-up for so many years and now that things are turning around and Nadal fans might get the last laugh and have been happy celebrating the latest USO win, we are all of a sudden supposed to "stop", "be fans of both" and " be friends".

They have laughed at Nadal's injuries, accused him of PEDs, called him a clay-specialist, a cheat, a moonballer, Olympics means nothing, masters 1000 mean nothing, Federer loses only because of "match-up problem", etc. etc. etc. And they kept replying to any argument or discussion with things like 17 > 14 or whatever number things were at. Well, now it's time for KARMA. We Nadal fans won't be as arrogant but we will definitely celebrate without tip toeing around Fed fans feelings.

FYI 20 > 19.

 

[tented]

While I like Corretja’s political correctness, I think what he is saying is unrealistic. It is wishful for him to say that fans of one player should try to enjoy the other player. Corretja knows very well how sports rivalries work. My guess is that, as a Spanish guy, he is a supporter of either Real Madrid or Barcelona.

Clearly it’s unrealistic for you. For others, however, it’s not only not unrealistic, it’s absolutely realistic.

Why do you continue to try to define the parameters of what others like, based on your own likes and dislikes? It’s a demonstration of a lack of imagination and the standard, insecure rejection of the Other.

Some advice: When people tell you what they like and don’t like, believe them. Listen to them. Don’t tell them they’re wrong based on yourself.

 

[atttomole]

Clearly it’s unrealistic for you. For others, however, it’s not only not unrealistic, it’s absolutely realistic.

Why do you continue to try to define the parameters of what others like, based on your own likes and dislikes? It’s a demonstration of a lack of imagination and the standard, insecure rejection of the Other.

Some advice: When people tell you what they like and don’t like, believe them. Listen to them. Don’t tell them they’re wrong based on yourself.

This is very simple. It’s my opinion, just like your have your own. And you are saying I should believe him. I think what he said is the right thing, and I never said I don’t believe him. I merely said I think what he said is unrealistic. Hopefully we will get the opinions of other people on this forum. My question to you is. Are you familiar with sports rivalries?

 

[Front242]

Federer fans have bashed and dismissed Nadal, his accomplishments and his fans for over a decade now. They literally redefined the word "arrogance" by bringing it to a whole new level. Federer fans who were also moderators even banned many Nadal fans from discussion forums just because they dared to defend Nadal and say that he's a candidate for Goat. They have been so stuck-up for so many years and now that things are turning around and Nadal fans might get the last laugh and have been happy celebrating the latest USO win, we are all of a sudden supposed to "stop", "be fans of both" and " be friends".

They have laughed at Nadal's injuries, accused him of PEDs, called him a clay-specialist, a cheat, a moonballer, Olympics means nothing, masters 1000 mean nothing, Federer loses only because of "match-up problem", etc. etc. etc. And they kept replying to any argument or discussion with things like 17 > 14 or whatever number things were at. Well, now it's time for KARMA. We Nadal fans won't be as arrogant but we will definitely celebrate without tip toeing around Fed fans feelings.

Stop being even more of an idiot than usual 'cos you've been slagging and diminishing Federer's achievements just as much if not more. The Nadal fans have been putrid since the USO finished. You also accused Federer of doping multiple times (Superman, swiss medicine, never gets tired, etc- that last part is laughable btw in comparison to your favourite player) so don't go acting like a saint (it doesn't suit you) and in the interest of double standards, you better have received a warning here too for the doping insinuations. Re GOAT status, it's far from done yet unless you haven't noticed and last time I checked someone hadn't noticed how clay dominant his favourite player's stats are. Federer had 2 match points to make the difference still 2 slams just a short time ago. What a short memory some people have...

PS: Let me re-phrase, the site's worst Nadal fans have been putrid since the USO. The good posters haven't been causing any grief at all and have in fact been embarrassed by the amount of crap their fanbase has been posting. The hilarious thing is the worst clowns seem to think it was the Federer fans who started it but, no, we didn't. It's been all stupid boast, boast, boast every damn thread from some people here. We've been merely replying to that crap and somehow the clueless ones seem to be too dumb to work out that we're only replying to the crap, not starting it.

 

[Front242]

Clearly it’s unrealistic for you. For others, however, it’s not only not unrealistic, it’s absolutely realistic.

Why do you continue to try to define the parameters of what others like, based on your own likes and dislikes? It’s a demonstration of a lack of imagination and the standard, insecure rejection of the Other.

Some advice: When people tell you what they like and don’t like, believe them. Listen to them. Don’t tell them they’re wrong based on yourself.

It's unrealistic imo too. It's the antics of Nadal that non fans don't like (obviously many don't like how he plays also) and when he pulls that crap against the other camp's favourite player to try and screw him over to win a match then how can we possibly be expected to like him? Then when the Nadal camp try and actually defend that rubbish things get even worse. There's just no way to be a fan of both imo. It's apples v oranges. I respect that there are some people out there who like both players such as yourself but I personally can't see how one could be a fan of a very sporting player who won the sportsmanship award many times as a result and also be a fan of one who is the polar opposite and bends the rules so much to try and win matches. I could never be a fan of that I'm afraid. Way too wishful thinking by Corretja...it'll never happen.

 

[tented]

It's unrealistic imo too. It's the antics of Nadal that non fans don't like (obviously many don't like how he plays also) and when he pulls that crap against the other camp's favourite player to try and screw him over to win a match then how can we possibly be expected to like him? Then when the Nadal camp try and actually defend that rubbish things get even worse. There's just no way to be a fan of both imo. It's apples v oranges. I respect that there are some people out there who like both players such as yourself but I personally can't see how one could be a fan of a very sporting player who won the sportsmanship award many times as a result and also be a fan of one who is the polar opposite and bends the rules so much to try and win matches. I could never be a fan of that I'm afraid. Way too wishful thinking by Corretja...it'll never happen.

There are aspects of both I dislike. I’m not claiming they’re saints, to be sure. But what I like and respect about them outweighs what I dislike. (And, no, I’m not going to outline what I dislike about them, because that won’t do anything but further arguments.)

As @don_fabio put it, when they play it’s a special occasion. We’re so lucky to be living in an era in which the two greatest men’s players of all time are contemporaries. People have endlessly discussed a theoretical match between Nadal and Borg. Or Federer and Borg. Or either of them vs. Laver. Unfortunately none of those matches will ever happen, but what has happened, and what continues to happen, are the top two meeting while in their prime.

You could even throw Djokovic into the mix, since it’s quite possible he will end up with more majors than Federer or Nadal. In a way, then, the three top players are contemporaries. Now, if there’s any player I absolutely loathe, it’s Novak. He rubbed me the wrong way right from the beginning, and it has only gone down from there. But, he’s also indisputably another all-time great, so I do respect his accomplishments, and often enjoy when he plays Rafa or Roger. In fact, some of the best matches I’ve ever seen have involved one of Fedal playing Novak. (Even worse: several of them have been when Novak won.) What I do, though, is pull back and look at the tennis objectively, and not focus on personalities, likes, dislikes, etc. In short, I enjoy living in this Golden Era of men’s tennis.

 

[Front242]

^ Good for you that you manage to block out personalities 'cos most of us here can't I'd imagine. I think I speak for the majority that we'd mostly all like to see matches won with the hitting of a tennis ball though and not stalling opponents to annoy their rhythm, re-bandaging feet that were fine all match but suddenly got sore before the opponent was about to serve for the match, a sudden urge to go to the toilet before the opponent was to serve for the set/match (those last 2 all against the same opponent), fake medical timeouts 'cos the opponent was soundly beating them. I just find it impossible to block that out personally. It should be about the tennis and not the other unsporting things to try and screw the opponent over and get a tainted win. It's also why Corretja is living in a dream world I'm afraid. He needs to rethink things. If Nadal didn't do all the above I'd definitely have a lot less issues with him but he does and I do.

 

[atttomole]

There are aspects of both I dislike. I’m not claiming they’re saints, to be sure. But what I like and respect about them outweighs what I dislike. (And, no, I’m not going to outline what I dislike about them, because that won’t do anything but further arguments.)

As @don_fabio put it, when they play it’s a special occasion. We’re so lucky to be living in an era in which the two greatest men’s players of all time are contemporaries. People have endlessly discussed a theoretical match between Nadal and Borg. Or Federer and Borg. Or either of them vs. Laver. Unfortunately none of those matches will ever happen, but what has happened, and what continues to happen, are the top two meeting while in their prime.

You could even throw Djokovic into the mix, since it’s quite possible he will end up with more majors than Federer or Nadal. In a way, then, the three top players are contemporaries. Now, if there’s any player I absolutely loathe, it’s Novak. He rubbed me the wrong way right from the beginning, and it has only gone down from there. But, he’s also indisputably another all-time great, so I do respect his accomplishments, and often enjoy when he plays Rafa or Roger. In fact, some of the best matches I’ve ever seen have involved one of Fedal playing Novak. (Even worse: several of them have been when Novak won.) What I do, though, is pull back and look at the tennis objectively, and not focus on personalities, likes, dislikes, etc. In short, I enjoy living in this Golden Era of men’s tennis.

You say you loathe Djokovic and then you say you don't understand why there is bickering between Federer and Nadal fans. I am curious about why you loathe Djokovic.

 

[Moxie]

For me, personally, there are 2 different yet related things. One is the Federer-Nadal rivalry, within which there is much to be admired and enjoyed. I have learned to appreciate Roger, and can root for him. The other thing is the Fedal wars, which is a purely fan-based scrum. Like Red Sox/Yankees or Real Madrid/Barça, it can be a lot of fun. What I think is unfortunate is when it does get toxic, which comes from the fans who can only hate the other, and cannot appreciate the amazing tennis being produced from both. The ones who can only diminish the other because they simply must to buff up their favorite. That's when it becomes fannish and tiresome. I know there are some here who have accused me of being "obsessed" with it...I'm not, but I can enjoy the back-and-forth, for the fun of it. However, yes, I will defend Nadal from spurious attacks.

 

[don_fabio]

Maybe less hating is the point of the whole discussion. Rivalries are common thing in sports, but if all these big3 guys don't hate on each other and respect themselves, then why are the fans hating on each other without much respect and hardly any?

I know in soccer the rival clubs usually share a very long history which is way more complex than the Fedal in last 15 years. Football fans are grown up from generation to generation believing what the club they love stands for and is also tied with the city people live in. Often within a city people root for different rival clubs, because of what those clubs historically represent due to various social/political/religious reasons. Sometimes these fedal wars remind me of football fans where majority just goes drinking after the match and the minor rival fans are left out there to fight. Do they really fight for their club or are they fighting there for some other reason? I think it's the latter.

How can we also create something like the team sports rivalries in tennis where the only history we have in Fedal is just awesome tennis for most of the time and nothing much more than that. How can fans argue over nonsenses? Fans like to drill in this idea of Nadal stalling and how slow he is like it's something huge, but it's actually not. I don't think that many tennis fans care much about this. I don't think that any of tennis players care for that except Kyrgios who just likes to make headlines. I don't think anyone will ever remember Fedal rivalry due to Nadal stalling or whatever, but rather how magical was to watch these two legends to share the court.

It is one thing to dislike somebody or something, but another is to hate. I could never watch a tennis match with the idea that I hate someone, even more so when it comes to the guys that are already legends of this sport.

 

[monfed]

What's to like about dull? He's so boring. Grunts like a pig, plays muscular slow tennis, has almost always less winners than his opponents, wastes time, cheats, the list goes on...

There is no rivalry. Fed is much better than Nadal on 3/4 surfaces. Nadal is only better than Fed on clay. The end.

 

[Moxie]

What's to like about dull? He's so boring. Grunts like a pig, plays muscular slow tennis, has almost always less winners than his opponents, wastes time, cheats, the list goes on...

There is no rivalry. Fed is much better than Nadal on 3/4 surfaces. Nadal is only better than Fed on clay. The end.

Nice example. That puts you clearly in the "hater" category. Not capable of appreciating good tennis for what it is. Low end of the evolutionary scale.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I have to say, these days, the Fedal wars, at least around these parts, are really on Roger fans. I've always said Nadal fans are the worst, by and large, but lately things have been out of control with Fed fans around here. Between Nadal closing in on him and Roger's blown match points the bitterness has dominated a little too much. Seriously, how many posts about PED accusations, surface speeds and just all around bashing of Nadal's game have we seen this year? The last point in particular is the most glaring one as I swear it's the kind of talking points we used to hear in 2006.

 

[monfed]

Nice example. That puts you clearly in the "hater" category. Not capable of appreciating good tennis for what it is. Low end of the evolutionary scale.

What Nadal plays isn't good tennis. Infact it's the most negative style of tennis ever seen.