The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[MargaretMcAleer]

New Career Highs on ATP Top 100, Tuesday 22nd September,

16. Bublik
37. Moutet
45 Bergs
68 Atmane
71 J.Cerundolo
76 Royer
90. Nava
91 Svrcina

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

New ATP Top Ten, Monday 1st October,

1. Alcaraz 11,540
2. Sinner 10,950
3. Zverev 5.980
4. Fritz 4,995 (+1)
5. Djokovic 4,830 (-1)
6. Shelton 4,190
7. de Minaur 3,735 (+1)
8. Draper 3,590 (-1)
9. Musetti 3,555
10.Khachanov 3,190

 

[El Dude]

Race to #1 is now:

Alcaraz 11050
Sinner 8450

Alcaraz + 2600

It is going to be very hard for Sinner to catch Alcaraz, but not impossible - especially considering that Alcaraz withdrew from Shanghai and is unlikely to play an indoor 500. So Sinner's chances are:

Shanghai 1000
Vienna 500
Paris 1000
ATP Finals 1500
= 5000 points

Right now, it isn't much of a discussion, but it gets kind of interesting if Jannik wins tomorrow and sweeps Shanghai and Vienna. He'd be at 9950, or 1100 points behind Alcaraz.

Meaning, Carlos would have to do something he's yet to do: play well indoor.

Carlos's results at Paris and the TF:
Paris: R16, QF, R32, R16
YEC: SF, RR

In four tries, he hasn't made it past the QF of Paris and has yet to reach a YEC final, though only two tries.

Odds still favor Carlos, of course, but it could get interesting if Jannik wins Beijing, Shanghai, and Vienna. This assumes Jannik will play all of those tournaments - which is a lot, if you factor in Six Kings.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Race to #1 is now:

Alcaraz 11050
Sinner 8450

Alcaraz + 2600

It is going to be very hard for Sinner to catch Alcaraz, but not impossible - especially considering that Alcaraz withdrew from Shanghai and is unlikely to play an indoor 500. So Sinner's chances are:

Shanghai 1000
Vienna 500
Paris 1000
ATP Finals 1500
= 5000 points

Right now, it isn't much of a discussion, but it gets kind of interesting if Jannik wins tomorrow and sweeps Shanghai and Vienna. He'd be at 9950, or 1100 points behind Alcaraz.

Meaning, Carlos would have to do something he's yet to do: play well indoor.

Carlos's results at Paris and the TF:
Paris: R16, QF, R32, R16
YEC: SF, RR

In four tries, he hasn't made it past the QF of Paris and has yet to reach a YEC final, though only two tries.

Odds still favor Carlos, of course, but it could get interesting if Jannik wins Beijing, Shanghai, and Vienna. This assumes Jannik will play all of those tournaments - which is a lot, if you factor in Six Kings.

I was surprised that Jannik added Vienna, thinking he may have a chance of getting back the No 1 ranking, though having to win all those tournaments, agree is a lot, and as he says ' lets see whats coming'

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

New Career Highs on ATP Top 100, Monday 1st October,

29. Darderi
36. Tien
44. Bergs
61. Atmane
72. Quinn

 

[Jelenafan]

Race to #1 is now:

Alcaraz 11050
Sinner 8450

Alcaraz + 2600

It is going to be very hard for Sinner to catch Alcaraz, but not impossible - especially considering that Alcaraz withdrew from Shanghai and is unlikely to play an indoor 500. So Sinner's chances are:

Shanghai 1000
Vienna 500
Paris 1000
ATP Finals 1500
= 5000 points

Right now, it isn't much of a discussion, but it gets kind of interesting if Jannik wins tomorrow and sweeps Shanghai and Vienna. He'd be at 9950, or 1100 points behind Alcaraz.

Meaning, Carlos would have to do something he's yet to do: play well indoor.

Carlos's results at Paris and the TF:
Paris: R16, QF, R32, R16
YEC: SF, RR

In four tries, he hasn't made it past the QF of Paris and has yet to reach a YEC final, though only two tries.

Odds still favor Carlos, of course, but it could get interesting if Jannik wins Beijing, Shanghai, and Vienna. This assumes Jannik will play all of those tournaments - which is a lot, if you factor in Six Kings.

I tend to think the results of Paris Indoors & YE For Carlos are more a factor of their timing/scheduling in the year and his own issues with conditioning/focus rather than any specific challenges indoor play offers him. His whole fall HC season last year was fairly abysmal ( by his standards). Outdoor & Indoor.

IIRC Alcatraz earlier this year won Rotterdam, which is an indoor HC.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

I tend to think the results of Paris Indoors & YE For Carlos are more a factor of their timing/scheduling in the year and his own issues with conditioning/focus rather than any specific challenges indoor play offers him. His whole fall HC season last year was fairly abysmal ( by his standards). Outdoor & Indoor.

IIRC Alcatraz earlier this year won Rotterdam, which is an indoor HC.

It also helped that Alcaraz responded much better following his loss in the Wimbledon final. He faced the situation the previous 2 years, after losing the Cincinnati final in 2023 and the Olympic Gold Medal match last year, and just totally capitulated.

 

[Fiero425]

Just checked the rankings! Novak's the only 30+ yr. old in the Top 30 on the ATP Rankings list! Grigor the 1st @ #31 @ 34 yrs. old! That's amazing IMO; esp. w/ his "cut to the bone" schedule the past couple seasons! Update: Novak became the 1st player in the 35 yrs. of the ATP's Masters Series to win at least 40 matches at 6 different events! Defeating Cilic gave him 40 in Shanghai! At Italian (68), Indian Wells (51), Paris (50), Miami (49), Cinci (45)! Seems as if he's accomplishing something even if it isn't a major win!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

El Dude,
With Jannik having to retire in his match in Shanghai, with bad cramps and had to be helped off the court, year end No 1 now pretty much decided after Shanghai.
Alcaraz dropped 200 points regarding his withdrawal at Shanghai
Jannik will now drop 50 points after failing to repeat the feat of winning the event 12 months ago.
Race after Shanghai
1. Alcaraz 11,040
2. Sinner 8,500

 

[El Dude]

El Dude,
With Jannik having to retire in his match in Shanghai, with bad cramps and had to be helped off the court, year end No 1 now pretty much decided after Shanghai.
Alcaraz dropped 200 points regarding his withdrawal at Shanghai
Jannik will now drop 50 points after failing to repeat the feat of winning the event 12 months ago.
Race after Shanghai
1. Alcaraz 11,040
2. Sinner 8,500

Yeah, I had the same thought. Oh well, it could have been interesting. I suppose the good news is Shanghai is up for grabs.

 

[Fiero425]

Yeah, I had the same thought. Oh well, it could have been interesting. I suppose the good news is Shanghai is up for grabs.

IMO, Shanghai was always up for grabs; esp. w/ the weather & being late in the season! There's a reason only a handful of players have been that successful in the Fall while all others come & go; esp. if already exhausted or injured! This event & Paris will have the oddest winners more than likely from now on! It w/b nice if Djokovic could embarrass the young 'uns by taking it, but I won't hold my breath! He's laboring w/ all the others! It can't get much worse!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

IMO, Shanghai was always up for grabs; esp. w/ the weather & being late in the season! There's a reason only a handful of players have been that successful in the Fall while all others come & go; esp. if already exhausted or injured! This event & Paris will have the oddest winners more than likely from now on! It w/b nice if Djokovic could embarrass the young 'uns by taking it, but I won't hold my breath! He's laboring w/ all the others! It can't get much worse!

Shanghai was never 'up for grabs' at all, Jannik who just won Beijing, was the favorite to win Shanghai, regardless of being the defending champion, shame that he had to retire, though he had no other choice as he could hardly stand up due to bad cramps., his opponent Griekspoor won for the first time against Jannik in six attempts!

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Just checked the rankings! Novak's the only 30+ yr. old in the Top 30 on the ATP Rankings list! Grigor the 1st @ #31 @ 34 yrs. old! That's amazing IMO; esp. w/ his "cut to the bone" schedule the past couple seasons! Update: Novak became the 1st player in the 35 yrs. of the ATP's Masters Series to win at least 40 matches at 6 different events! Defeating Cilic gave him 40 in Shanghai! At Italian (68), Indian Wells (51), Paris (50), Miami (49), Cinci (45)! Seems as if he's accomplishing something even if it isn't a major win!

I'm more impressed with Roger's age 38 season in 2019. He didn't have to do a cut to the bone schedule. He finished with 53 match wins and a YE #3 ranking.

Comparison for Roger and Novak's age 36-38 seasons:

Roger's 2017-19: 52-5 (7 titles, YE 2), 48-10 (4 titles, YE 3), 53-10 (4 titles, YE 3)
Novak's 2023-25: 56-7 (7 titles, YE 1), 37-9 (1 title, YE 7), so far 33-10 (1 title, Live ATP Ranking 5)

 

[El Dude]

^It is interesting to note that the Big Three all had their last "great" season the year they turned 36: Roger in 2017, Rafa in 2022, Novak in 2023. Now Rafa's 2022 wasn't as good as the other two, but he fell to injury and still won the first two Slams. Roger and Novak were still very good at age 37-38, though poor Rafa was never the same.

I'm going to cross post to the Legends thread, with ATGs in the season they turned 36 years old.

 

[El Dude]

I think as of a week or two ago, Learner Tien became the top ranked teenager. He turns 20 in December so it will be Fonseca to finish the year, but still worth noting. No other teen is in the top 100.

Teen live rankings:

38. Learner Tien (Dec 2, 2005) - USA
44. Joao Fonseca (Aug 21, 2006) - Brazil
110. Martin Landaluce (Jan 8, 2006) - Spain
135. Nicolai Budkov Kjaer (Sep 1, 2006) - Norway
174. Rei Sakamoto (June 24, 2006) - Japan

There's a pair of 18 year olds just outside the top 20, German Justin Engel and Italian Federico Cina. The highest ranked 17-year old is German Diego Dedura at #332. I've mentioned all three of these guys here, in passing.

 

[Fiero425]

Glanced at the ATP race & I'm amazed to see how close the pt. totals are for players below Carlos & Jannik! Most of the top 20 are neck & neck w/i 100's of one another! Paris Masters' going to determine a lot, but even winning it won't be enuf for Rune to make Turin hanging around #14 in the race! I think I heard #9 Draper is out for the season so that will benefit someone! Medvedev needed to advance & win Shanghai, so his upset today will probably have him coming up short for the YEC! It remains to be seen if Novak will compete at his own tournament (Hellenic Championship) the only one he's committed to so far!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

EL Dude,
Medvedev still expected to play Almaty he is seeded No2, after missing out in the final at Shanghai, now he has a real chance to make Turin, so he will try to play as much as possible,

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

New ATP Top Ten, Monday 13th October,
1. Alcaraz 11,340
2 Sinner 10,000
3. Zverev 5,930
4. Fritz 4,645
5. Djokovic 4,580
6. Shelton 4,100
7. de Minaur 3,935
8. Musetti 3,645 (+1)
9. Draper 3,590 (-1)
10. KAA 3,190

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

ATP Race to the ATP Finals after Shanghai, Monday 13th October,

1. Alcaraz 11,040 Q
2. Sinner 8,500 Q
3. Djokovic 4,580
4. Zverev 4,230
5. Fritz 3,785
6. Shelton 3,720
7. de Minaur 3,545
8. Musetti 3,435

9. Draper 2,990 OUT
10. FAA 2,905

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Novak Djokovic has qualified for the ATP finals he has 4, 580 and the ATP qualification cut is 4,530
It will be interesting to see if Novak plays this year.