Hi, Michael and welcome. I don't really believe the top guys do, either. All of my argument is for Front and Darth, who firmly believe Nadal has since 2005 and rarely miss an opportunity to sully his name. However, Federer finding the fountain of youth at 35 seems not the least surprising to them. It's the irony of their two positions that gets me.
No, I'm not being real, Front, and I told you. THIS would be the point, and way down at the bottom of the page would be you missing it. But to same end, it's amazing that you find ways to play doctor and tell us how you interpolate Nadal's treatments being manipulated, while at the same time finding it fully credible that Roger took 4 years to learn to play with his new racquet, and that the newly-retired, never-before coach Ljubicic was the answer to Roger's backhand, after all these years.
The irony is that they speak out of both sides of their mouths. Let's be honest...both have loads of natural talent. But it was Nadal who started winning at an earlier age, and beating Fed early and often. Roger was nearly 3 years older than Nadal when he won his first Major, so who needed help, then? I know you have a huge blindspot where Rafa is concerned, but one guy wins 20 Majors squeaky clean and the other wins 17 fully dirty?
I'm with @Michael;Kiwi in that I think the top players push the limits of what they can do legally, but don't cheat. I note that you've just decided that the purpose of Nadal is to organize the world in good and evil, but this isn't the Mahabharata or Game of Thrones...it's tennis.
The irony is that they speak out of both sides of their mouths. Let's be honest...both have loads of natural talent. But it was Nadal who started winning at an earlier age, and beating Fed early and often. Roger was nearly 3 years older than Nadal when he won his first Major, so who needed help, then? I know you have a huge blindspot where Rafa is concerned, but one guy wins 20 Majors squeaky clean and the other wins 17 fully dirty?
Your "truth" is that Roger is God, and that he's the only acceptable answer to tennis. It is also that Nadal is the Anti-christ of tennis. That you accept this as a "fact," to be followed by others, isn't just cultish, it's delusional. As one of the prime energy-Vampires on this forum, I'd be perfectly happy if you'd stop wasting your time on me. What you call "truth" is merely opinion. It's just a sport, mate.
What, in your opinion, is my delusion? That Nadal has talent? That he has actual fans, and loads of them, that like him for the way he plays tennis? That somehow he didn't just "luck" into 17 Majors?
The fact I can't see the comment you're responding to tells me who you're talking to. I will answer your question. You're not delusional. I think that the person you're talking to has views & an imagination that would make a great work of fiction if he had the writing ability to make use of these views & that imagination. I find some of his views hilarious. I don't think he's worth arguing with but that's your choice at the end of the day.
I believe we've already established that Nadal does get tired. That's an old trope. And the fact that he trains hard escapes your notice. It also escapes your notice that he had no reason to initially start doping, since he was rising well in the ranks since turning pro, at 15, and was the last teenager to win a Major on the men's side. I've asked this question many times with no sufficient answer from either Front or Darth. Perhaps you'll give it a go: why would Nadal have started doping, and when? Darth says early '05, because he has to say that...it fits his agenda. But Nadal was beating past #1's and FO winners at 16. He beat Roger, already #1 at 17. On HCs, and in straights. Nadal needed no bump from his already amazing level even at 16. He won RG at 19 +2 days, and he'd beaten Federer in the SFs. So when did he start doping? And why? Most would admit it's not obvious.
