The stats say you are right but this years different he's never been good enough in past seasons to def majors off clay, but now nadal a more complete player unlike 2011/14 nadal better at the net more difficult shots, serve better as well, with this field right now nadal to least make the final so we will see.
I completely remember all of that, and believe me, Nadal fans were grateful to ol'Wodge. But I don't think it can be taken as a given that Novak would have absolutely won that match, so I was objecting to it being accepted as that when, given what we have seen in intervening years, it can be discussed. That's all I'm saying. You even said that you didn't claim that Novak would have definitely won the match, do discussion is valid. Just because everyone thought there was a good chance doesn't mean it would have happened. As I said, Novak would have had to play on Sat., which would have been a disadvantage. And, since he didn't win over Nadal in the subsequent 3 years, it implies a solid chance he wouldn't have in '11, either. Don't be so stubborn, yourself. It can be discussed. Don't dismiss it out of hand.
It's not a double-standard. If we're discussing "what-ifs," we can draw on the past, but also on future realities to inform us. What seemed a given in 2011, even if it never happened, can be viewed through the lens of what came after. I don't see why this is complicated to process for you guys. And I was just positing the further "what-ifs," had they played and Nadal had won. Is this line of thinking too complicated for you?You cannot use the future to predict what would have happened in the past. If Novak had won over Rafa in 2011, may be he would have won couple more RGs.
Are not you the one arguing that if Rafa had faced Novak and won against him in 2011, may be Novak would not have won both of the other majors that year?
Double standard?
What gets me from the old days; if he lost ANY MATCH, "Nadal was hurt or going thru something with his family!" Cry me a river; he's good looking, rich, and shouldn't have a care in the world! It gets a little frustrating when grown people act this way! Be a fan, but don't lose all perspective! :whistle:
You forget that, nadal was not even 100% fresh going into wimbledon after the long clay court season then you add 5 setter with del potro, then make it a indoor event of course nadal loses.
You forget that, nadal was not even 100% fresh going into wimbledon after the long clay court season then you add 5 setter with del potro, then make it a indoor event of course nadal loses.
You are down playing the fact that the match was indoors, if it was outdoors nadal would have won in 4 sets, plus nadal been the best player this year.He was fine after clay season, it was a complete breeze as usual. Dropped one match and something like 2-3 sets outside of that. He was perfectly fresh vs Djoker, he didn't lose because of fatigue as we know he has supernatural endurance
Also it is his fault for needing 5 vs DP anyways. A good level would've seen him through in 3 or 4. And if Nadal can't win at Wimbledon without an obnoxiously high bouncing court then he doesn't deserve to win it period. He has been gifted two titles due to that garbage court. And Roger has been the main victim of the retarded Wimbledon director.
There you haven't been paying attention. He definitely shows his age in his legs and endurance over the last several years. And he says it. But I agree with you that his loss to joker was mental.He was fine after clay season, it was a complete breeze as usual. Dropped one match and something like 2-3 sets outside of that. He was perfectly fresh vs Djoker, he didn't lose because of fatigue as we know he has supernatural endurance
very funny that poster sounds great
and yes my battles with darth have been far more epic, as for the match I think del potro 5 setter made it hard for nadal to be 100% fit for the Djokovic match i agree he lost it in the mind as well.
