US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

issue addressed here... starting to wonder if folks need a license to access the internet. Or maybe mandatory lessons in school to be able to process information. It's getting out of hand

It's going to take time to properly investigate the accident, but it didn't take the internet but a few hours to create conspiracy theories. Isn't that also bots?

 

[Front242]

It's going to take time to properly investigate the accident, but it didn't take the internet but a few hours to create conspiracy theories. Isn't that also bots?

Ah yes, good old CNN. Great bunch of people who never apologized for defaming Joe Rogan over Ivermectin. The corrupt FDA finally had to settle their lawsuit since they knew damn well Ivermectin worked for covid but no choice was allowed to push the useless and not "safe and effective" covid jabs. Hence the censorship, shaming and outright lies by useless mainstream media.

FDA settles lawsuit over Ivermectin social media posts

The FDA said it will remove social-media posts that indicate ivermectin is for animals, not humans.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Moxie]

Ah yes, good old CNN. Great bunch of people who never apologized for defaming Joe Rogan over Ivermectin. The corrupt FDA finally had to settle their lawsuit since they knew damn well Ivermectin worked for covid but no choice was allowed to push the useless and not "safe and effective" covid jabs. Hence the censorship, shaming and outright lies by useless mainstream media.

FDA settles lawsuit over Ivermectin social media posts

The FDA said it will remove social-media posts that indicate ivermectin is for animals, not humans.

www.newsweek.com

Did you even read the article? The FDA only ever corrected that Ivermectin was "only" meant for animals. Show me science that says ivermectin ever did anything for covid.

Meantime...you roll off the Key Bridge where you've got nothing to Nord Stream 2, and now you pivot to Ivermectin. You never met a conspiracy theory you wouldn't embrace. What you're doing right now is trolling. You're slathering this thread with misinformation, rather than conversation.

 

[Front242]

Did you even read the article? The FDA only ever corrected that Ivermectin was "only" meant for animals. Show me science that says ivermectin ever did anything for covid.

Meantime...you roll off the Key Bridge where you've got nothing to Nord Stream 2, and now you pivot to Ivermectin. You never met a conspiracy theory you wouldn't embrace. What you're doing right now is trolling. You're slathering this thread with misinformation, rather than conversation.

No, Moxie, it's not trolling, it's showing you why you shouldn't trust your useless mainstream media given they lie day after day shamelessly. How many of what you would incorrectly call conspiracy theories re covid were facts?! Most of them...

I've posted loads of links a long, long time back on the covid thread but here you go. Please see below. Now you show me some "science" that your covid "vaccines" did any good 'cos a massive amount of people are out long term sick with their immune systems absolutely destroyed and the public were warned this would happen. And, no, I don't want the manipulated data the public were given by the "science" you're supporting. No point posting nonsense like Pfizer and Moderna claim their vaccines saved X million number of lives when this is just that, a claim. Many may still be alive if they just had high levels of vitamin D3, K2 and also supplemented with NAC, weren't overweight, exercised, didn't smoke or drink in excess etc. Most who died were over the age of average life expectancy and with multiple comorbidities so not much was gonna help many of them, let alone a useless vaccine that didn't stop transmission and actually INCREASED their chances of contracting it as per the study posted below. And before you retort that it wasn't meant to stop transmission and that the main reason for the supposed vaccine was to lessen the severity of symptoms, well, that's absolute bollocks from what I've seen with my own 2 eyes and all the people I know who took it and got very sick compared to those who didn't and had barely any symptoms whatsoever. So, it failed on every count. It didn't stop people getting it and made them sicker. Pfizer never even tested for transmission the pos. They were "moving at the speed of science and had to do everything at risk". Great people. I hope you have the sense to realize it was all about money and complete disregard for mankind. That they mandated this crap in so many places and told people to take it to protect granny and grandad when it didn't even stop transmission should show you just how much of a massive and disgusting lie it was all founded on and shaming those who had the sense not to take it or firing them from their jobs or doing their level best to isolate them from society. I just hope for the sake of humanity the number of people fooled won't be suckered in next time which will only be a few years away the way Disease X is being hyped up...

A massive amount of people died globally the first few months these so called "vaccines" came out and it's common knowledge it's done more harm than good with the number of adverse effects and excess deaths. When you have the CEO of Pfizer saying he knows there's going to be a very large increase in turbo cancers in the next few years affecting whole families and then investing all the massive profits from their useless vaccine into cancer treatments, something stinks.

I haven't met any unvaxxed people who regret not taking that crap but plenty who DO regret it and are sick all the time. And, yes, we're all aware you've taken loads of vaccines and boosters for covid as you stated this many times and you're fine still (and once again I'm glad you are), but not all were so lucky with their reaction to it. I know plenty in my office who are in bits. Massive global increase in heart conditions, auto immune diseases, cancers and sudden deaths in the highly vaccinated countries, many of them young and healthy before. Most people were sick as hell after their boosters and if they had bothered to do some research they'd see this was the norm for many and that the higher the number of vaccines taken, the higher chances of contracting covid. Many people I know including family members caught it immediately or a few weeks later after their jabs. Amazingly effective.. Never trust your government or Bill Gates with your health...

"The risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (Figure 2)."

COVID-19: The Ivermectin African Enigma

The low frequency of cases and deaths from the SARS-CoV-2 COVID-19 virus in some countries of Africa has called our attention about the unusual behavior of this disease. The ivermectin is considered a drug of choice for various parasitic and viral diseases ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Uttar Pradesh is ivermectin’s best practice success story

(Conclusion) In last week’s column, we wrote about the amazing outcome many states in India like Uttar Pradesh and Delhi have attained with an ivermectin-based multidrug prevention and early treatm…

lifestyle.inquirer.net

You want facts about Nord Stream 2 ? Your clown president admitted they'd "bring an end to it" and they did. Don't keep lying to yourself that all the above are conspiracies theories.



On another note, he's also so dumb he claimed to have traveled over the Key Bridge by train many, many times when it doesn't even have a rail link LOL

 

[britbox]

Have to laugh at the pushback at "Conspiracy Theories". Somewhere between 10 and 50 million documents are "classified" in the US every year... meaning the public have no access and no transparency. Basically you know absolutely nothiing.

I'd suggest any American read the Operation Northwoods declassified documents:

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, you were going to kill US Citizens and blame it on Cuba. Signed off by everybody except Kennedy... and remind me what happened to him?

or maybe look at the faked Gulf of Tonkin incident that took you into the Vietnam war.

Gulf of Tonkin incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All these millions of "classified documents" and organisations like the CIA, FBI, MI6, Mossad, ASIO, MI5, HS, KGB (and later incarnations)... and you don't think the world revolves around conspiracies?

Conspiracy (Blacks Law Legal Definition): A combination or confederacy between two or more persons formed for the purpose of committing, by their joint efforts, some unlawful or criminal act, or some act which is innocent in itself, but becomes unlawful when done by the concerted action of the conspirators, or for the purpose of using criminal or unlawful means to the commission of an act not in itself unlawful.

The whole world is run by conspiracy. Governments and Intel agencies aside, you have ancient orders and organisations (from Fabians to Freemasons, and plenty in between) wanting to impress their desired version of the world on the population, by fair means or foul.

Anybody thinking Joe Biden is running this show is little more than a simpleton.

 

[britbox]

The funny thing is that all these folks attaching themselves to Fox News or CNN/MSNBC don't seem to have the foggiest idea that if you follow the shareholding trail it all goes back to Blackrock and Vanguard... and further back to certain families if you want to get really forensic. As do the "fact checkers".

Propaganda is an art going back to ancient Egypt and Atlantis. Rachel Maddow is a trained Rhodes scholar. Anderson Cooper is a Vanderbilt flunky. Mika Brzezinski is Zbigniew Brzezinski's daughter. Don't even bother going into politics... they are all selected before they are elected apart from the odd outlier.

Head of Blackrock (Larry Fink):

 

[britbox]

The saddest thing of all is people repeating verbatim what these folks are telling them. The "misinformation" term buzzed me actually. Ask yourself this. Did you ever use this term in your youth? Then why are you using it now? (Answer this question - anybody who has recently starting using this term) Is it because some trained Rhodes scholar hypnotises you from a screen?

This kind of crap would be considered Monty Python at best, East German Stasi at worst. "Oh, but I believe in diversity!"... clearly not diversity of thought and opinion.... cos they're "dangerous!"... yet mutilating or chopping a confused teen's dick or tits off is "inclusive"... good lord.

 

[britbox]

It's going to take time to properly investigate the accident, but it didn't take the internet but a few hours to create conspiracy theories. Isn't that also bots?

It didn't take CNN much longer to "debunk" all narratives before an investigation either... probably awaiting the "official truth" to come down from above.

So in advance of CNN's "truth"... we have a power failure that kicks in just before the vessel hits a bridge named after the the person who penned the lyrics to the US National Anthem on a trip to Colombia. Apparently 764 tonnes of hazardous materials were on board.

This is after multiple US train derailments (also involving tonnes of hazardous materials), and also within a couple of days of a supposed terrorist attack in Moscow, and also within the window of hundreds of food processing plants being destroyed in the US over the last couple of years.

I suggest you read up on assymetric warfare before accepting CNN's truth... The best wars are carried out by perpetrators who can't be traced.

 

[britbox]

issue addressed here... starting to wonder if folks need a license to access the internet. Or maybe mandatory lessons in school to be able to process information. It's getting out of hand

Process data mate, not information. Information is somebody else's processing of data. Do it yourself.

As for folks needing a license to access the internet - yes that will happen... in the form of Digital ID that enables you access to this matrix, backed by Programmable Digital currency that makes sure you don't step out of line.

 

[britbox]

Happy Easter! or do we now call it the Transgender Day of Visibility?

Critics rip Biden proclamation that Easter Sunday is âTransgender Day of Visibilityâ

The Biden Administration has also taken steps to remove its more Christian components from his official celebrations.

nypost.com

 

[Moxie]

Happy Easter! or do we now call it the Transgender Day of Visibility?

Critics rip Biden proclamation that Easter Sunday is âTransgender Day of Visibilityâ

The Biden Administration has also taken steps to remove its more Christian components from his official celebrations.

nypost.com

The days simply coincide this year...it's been in place for years, as the article clearly states. Feel free not to celebrate it. Obviously, not in Australia. Happy Easter, though, if you do celebrate it.

 

[britbox]

The days simply coincide this year...it's been in place for years, as the article clearly states. Feel free not to celebrate it. Obviously, not in Australia. Happy Easter, though, if you do celebrate it.

Oh, it's in Australia too.

Trans Day of Visibility | #TDOV

Trans Day of Visibility is an annual international celebration of trans pride and awareness, recognising trans and gender diverse experiences and achievements. On 31 March celebrate with gender diverse people all around Australia by sharing stories, starting conversations, and attending events.

www.tdov.org.au

 

[Moxie]

On another note, he's also so dumb he claimed to have traveled over the Key Bridge by train many, many times when it doesn't even have a rail link LOL

Is Biden stupid, or is he dotty...you keep changing your opinion on this.

This is what he said, and it's on the whitehouse.gov website:

"At about 1:30, a container ship struck the Francis Scott Key Bridge, which I’ve been over many, many times commuting from the state of Delaware either on a train or by car."

It is correct that he has commuted to Washington from Delaware for many years, by rail and car, and, by car, he would drive over the Key Bridge. The missing colon is between "Delaware" and "either." So much uproar over a lack of a pause? The meaning is clear. As President, and probably VP, he went more often driven. His Amtrak days are over. Secret Service nightmare. I've been to DC (which is my hometown) and Baltimore where I have good friends, a lot. If I take the train, it goes through a tunnel. On the bus, over the Key Bridge. The Key Bridge is the way to avoid downtown Baltimore, if you're driving, especially to DC.

 

[Moxie]

Oh, it's in Australia too.

Trans Day of Visibility | #TDOV

Trans Day of Visibility is an annual international celebration of trans pride and awareness, recognising trans and gender diverse experiences and achievements. On 31 March celebrate with gender diverse people all around Australia by sharing stories, starting conversations, and attending events.

www.tdov.org.au

Excellent! But you don't have to observe it. What does it hurt you? Or, go out and let you freak flag fly! Up to you.

 

[Federberg]

Excellent! But you don't have to observe it. What does it hurt you? Or, go out and let you freak flag fly! Up to you.

it's bad politics @Moxie and like it or not, politics in the United States isn't just relevant to the USA. It affects the rest of the world whether geopolitically or via the culture.

The transgender thing is perceived as pandering to a less than 5% minority and ignoring the sensitivities of groups that are a whole multitude larger. Not just Christians, but Muslims as well, and the majority of secular folk. When are Democrats going to understand that there's a cultural dynamic that they are worse than ignoring, but appear to be implicitly attacking. In some ways this is as perplexing to me as Trump's lack of interest in broadening his coalition. As you well know, I loathe Trump the heat of a billion suns, I will never support him. But I do think there's an immediate risk, and more importantly there's a longer term risk that Democrats seem oblivious to. I think, and hope that Trump and the current Republican Party will lose in November and lose badly. And I think the aftermath will be ugly.

It's possible that it might take the GOP as long as it took the Labour Party to recover after they lost to Margaret Thatcher and still put a numpty politician to go against the Tories in the next election. That loss was worse and it forced a painful period of weeding out the old thinking. It took another politician, after the completely inadequate Neil Kinnock (we've talked about him recently) to gain the ascendancy for voters to consider the Labour Party viable again. That politician was a guy called John Smith, but he died suddenly, and then in came Tony Blair. John Smith had done enough to change the party and the perception of the party. I say all this because I think that's what will need to happen in the US. But the problem is that Dems are actually far more politically vulnerable than they think. It's masked because the Republican Party is so awful and is nihilistic and not interested in governing. The instant they have someone normal, they will beat Dems so massively folks will be wondering what happened, and think it's something new. But it's been plain to see all this time, and this transgender faux pas is a classic example of it. Most people don't want this. I can't stress that enough. It's just that the other side is so batshit crazy that general discomfort with Demss is being suppressed. Once voters are given an outlet they are comfortable with, the backlash will shock you. Mark my words...

 

[britbox]

it's bad politics @Moxie and like it or not, politics in the United States isn't just relevant to the USA. It affects the rest of the world whether geopolitically or via the culture.

The transgender thing is perceived as pandering to a less than 5% minority and ignoring the sensitivities of groups that are a whole multitude larger. Not just Christians, but Muslims as well, and the majority of secular folk. When are Democrats going to understand that there's a cultural dynamic that they are worse than ignoring, but appear to be implicitly attacking. In some ways this is as perplexing to me as Trump's lack of interest in broadening his coalition. As you well know, I loathe Trump the heat of a billion suns, I will never support him. But I do think there's an immediate risk, and more importantly there's a longer term risk that Democrats seem oblivious to. I think, and hope that Trump and the current Republican Party will lose in November and lose badly. And I think the aftermath will be ugly.

It's possible that it might take the GOP as long as it took the Labour Party to recover after they lost to Margaret Thatcher and still put a numpty politician to go against the Tories in the next election. That loss was worse and it forced a painful period of weeding out the old thinking. It took another politician, after the completely inadequate Neil Kinnock (we've talked about him recently) to gain the ascendancy for voters to consider the Labour Party viable again. That politician was a guy called John Smith, but he died suddenly, and then in came Tony Blair. John Smith had done enough to change the party and the perception of the party. I say all this because I think that's what will need to happen in the US. But the problem is that Dems are actually far more politically vulnerable than they think. It's masked because the Republican Party is so awful and is nihilistic and not interested in governing. The instant they have someone normal, they will beat Dems so massively folks will be wondering what happened, and think it's something new. But it's been plain to see all this time, and this transgender faux pas is a classic example of it. Most people don't want this. I can't stress that enough. It's just that the other side is so batshit crazy that general discomfort with Demss is being suppressed. Once voters are given an outlet they are comfortable with, the backlash will shock you. Mark my words...

You make interesting observations about a backlash and there is a historical precedent - The Weimar Republic in Germany, where the trans-movement took hold on a large scale, was utterly destroyed and the rise of National Socialism took place. Everything in this world works in cycles and adheres to natural law. We're in a very interesting period.

 

[britbox]

Excellent! But you don't have to observe it. What does it hurt you? Or, go out and let you freak flag fly! Up to you.

No, it doesn't hurt me - you're right. But I look at the greater context. This is not an organic movement. It is driven top-down with a ton of money and propaganda. So my question would be... To what end? What is the driving force behind this, and the for what reasons? There are bigger forces at work here as it's not localised at some cult level, but being impressed upon every nation in western civilization. The fact it's driven top-down is surely beyond dispute.

 

[Federberg]

You make interesting observations about a backlash and there is a historical precedent - The Weimar Republic in Germany, where the trans-movement took hold on a large scale, was utterly destroyed and the rise of National Socialism took place. Everything in this world works in cycles and adheres to natural law. We're in a very interesting period.

that's terrifying...

 

[Moxie]

it's bad politics @Moxie and like it or not, politics in the United States isn't just relevant to the USA. It affects the rest of the world whether geopolitically or via the culture.

The transgender thing is perceived as pandering to a less than 5% minority and ignoring the sensitivities of groups that are a whole multitude larger. Not just Christians, but Muslims as well, and the majority of secular folk. When are Democrats going to understand that there's a cultural dynamic that they are worse than ignoring, but appear to be implicitly attacking. In some ways this is as perplexing to me as Trump's lack of interest in broadening his coalition. As you well know, I loathe Trump the heat of a billion suns, I will never support him. But I do think there's an immediate risk, and more importantly there's a longer term risk that Democrats seem oblivious to. I think, and hope that Trump and the current Republican Party will lose in November and lose badly. And I think the aftermath will be ugly.

It's possible that it might take the GOP as long as it took the Labour Party to recover after they lost to Margaret Thatcher and still put a numpty politician to go against the Tories in the next election. That loss was worse and it forced a painful period of weeding out the old thinking. It took another politician, after the completely inadequate Neil Kinnock (we've talked about him recently) to gain the ascendancy for voters to consider the Labour Party viable again. That politician was a guy called John Smith, but he died suddenly, and then in came Tony Blair. John Smith had done enough to change the party and the perception of the party. I say all this because I think that's what will need to happen in the US. But the problem is that Dems are actually far more politically vulnerable than they think. It's masked because the Republican Party is so awful and is nihilistic and not interested in governing. The instant they have someone normal, they will beat Dems so massively folks will be wondering what happened, and think it's something new. But it's been plain to see all this time, and this transgender faux pas is a classic example of it. Most people don't want this. I can't stress that enough. It's just that the other side is so batshit crazy that general discomfort with Demss is being suppressed. Once voters are given an outlet they are comfortable with, the backlash will shock you. Mark my words...

You didn't even know this was a thing until BB brought it up yesterday, and he didn't know it was a thing until he read it in the right-wing media, which picked it up when it coincided with Easter. And yet, it's been a "thing" for 15 years. Do you think if you put "Most people don't want this" it makes it more accurate? Do you have data? And do you mean most people in the US, or in the world? How do you even know that most people care that much? Yes, the right-wing has made it part of the culture wars, but it's just part of a bag of tricks.

 

[Moxie]

No, it doesn't hurt me - you're right. But I look at the greater context. This is not an organic movement. It is driven top-down with a ton of money and propaganda. So my question would be... To what end? What is the driving force behind this, and the for what reasons? There are bigger forces at work here as it's not localised at some cult level, but being impressed upon every nation in western civilization. The fact it's driven top-down is surely beyond dispute.

You put 3-4 posts above about conspiracy theories, and you expect me to buy your line that this is a top-down movement? Your line that "the fact it's driven top-down is surely beyond dispute" is the same kind of line Front uses all the time to back up his ideas. It's a rather cheap debating gambit. "I'm right, and there's do dispute." The Stonewall riots were led by transgender activists. That was an organic movement. And they've been in the movement ever since. The only thing "top-down" about it is the fear drummed up against it by the far-right to scare folks like you. As you rightly say above...it doesn't hurt you. If you'd practice a little more "live and let live," then you wouldn't be part of the problem. And the problem is that people are letting other folks scare them into thinking that something is being taken away from them.