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i looooove LISTENING to real brits speak english! i know you have all different accents too -- but it just sounds so nice to my ears - probably because i get so bored hearing the american accents...that sound so ..eh ..''flat' to myears, lol.
That clipped English accent would be regarded as quite "posh".
maybe uk needs HYACINTH BUCKET ...'pronounced Booooouuuuqqqquuueet".
hehe...love that show!! keeping up appearances!! hehe.
i don't even know what 'posh' would mean. lol. but i never tire of enjoying english when the brits speak it. lol
i guess maybe because i am a musician so ''sounds" are important to me - and language is for me not just to ''inform" but also the way it sounds to my ears. lol.
haha..that newcastle is also so cute sounding. hehe..
like the one in ''true life' movie about the
boy , the son of miner in a downtrodden town that wanted to be a ballet dancer and became famous...reminds of that. hehe.
waiiiit -- why didn't i ever think of that before? go to youtube and find the channels withlots of british movies and put it in my favorites with other foreign movies !! yes!!
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All the BBC used to speak like that! Incidentally Peter seems a great guy - one of the disenfranchised members I was tal!ing about.
Khan's action has lost him a lot of support. Corbyn gave him huge support during his campaign.
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I come from Newcastle too, still have my accent though haven't lived there for years. Did you ever see the TV series "The Likely Lads" with James Bolam. Makes me homesick every time I hear him!
wow.
i don't know many shows of course - just whatever BBC america presents if i can catch them - but i periodically just like to check online what might be interesting for me.
but i really hate that one of my favorite older shows --
''KEEPING UP APPEARANCES" even on youtube they removed everything except ''snippets" -- it's so annoying - sometimes i used to like to go to bed with the computer just playing the shows nonstop!! lol..i mean -- comedy, drama, mystery, sci-fi, fantasy, horror whatever -- i just like how they do it.
im still upset that such superb versions of ''DRACULA'' with who's that actor from bend it like beckham never even managed to survive because stupid NBC funding cut it - when it was starting to even get better!!
or the SHERLOCK HOMES with benedict cumberbatch a couple years ago they just ditched!! GRRRRRR...how dare they? whoever calls the shots?
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Always seems to be the best showed that get cut or dfiscontinued and the ones we hate go on for years!
it's just awful how that goes!! a trend in recent years i really detested (although it seems to have died down somewhat ) -- is a british series comes and is doing great -- and THEN an AMERICAN VERSION -- SCRIPT FOR SCRIPT comes up !! i mean -- what the hey?!! someone wants to tell them...
''CARBON COPIES AREN'T IMPROVEMENTS" ...like remember that ''BEING HUMAN" horror comedy? my god! the british original comes -- at the end of the week comes the american version? they can't come up with their own original idea or at least actually change the format and plot or whatever? or at least come up with actors that can step up ? lol...it's almost like someone smearing nonsense graffiti on something, u know?
and what's the main difference? american production with lots more MONEY to throw in as ''production value" ...
not that some can't/ be good ones either but it's almost like plain thievery to me...
same as that AUSSIE movie "PRISCILLA : QUEEN OF THE DESERT"
with the incomparable 3 leads -- copied by the swayze, leguizamo, rodman version which IS nice in its own way -- but it's quite amazing how little imaginative originality can be blanketed over by ''high production value" just because there's more money thrown into something.
we all know about remakes -- a few can be better than originals -- MANY are 'adaptations" to a very DISSIMILAR culture and even language -- such as if chinese ''copy" the plot of some american or foreign movie - retell it in their language etc...
but an almost ''plot for plot" remake comes in the case of american FROM british/aussie --
there is NO reason really because the language is the same - the remake is not about trying to ''communicate a wonderful story to a FOREIGN LANGUAGE audience in their milieu" -- just a plain taking of an idea in the same language - and making a ''hit" out of it.
and - what would be a THOUGHTFUL sentiment or situation in PRISCILLA -- becomes a ''tearjerking" pull-the-heart strings shallow presentation in the american version.
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Wednesday 24 August 2016
The films and journalism of John Pilger
Why the British said no to Europe
25 June 2016
The majority vote by Britons to leave the European Union was an act of raw democracy. Millions of ordinary people refused to be bullied, intimidated and dismissed with open contempt by their presumed betters in the major parties, the leaders of the business and banking oligarchy and the media.
This was, in great part, a vote by those angered and demoralised by the sheer arrogance of the apologists for the "remain" campaign and the dismemberment of a socially just civil life in Britain. The last bastion of the historic reforms of 1945, the National Health Service, has been so subverted by Tory and Labour-supported privateers it is fighting for its life.
A forewarning came when the Treasurer, George Osborne, the embodiment of both Britain's ancient regime and the banking mafia in Europe, threatened to cut £30 billion from public services if people voted the wrong way; it was blackmail on a shocking scale.
Immigration was exploited in the campaign with consummate cynicism, not only by populist politicians from the lunar right, but by Labour politicians drawing on their own venerable tradition of promoting and nurturing racism, a symptom of corruption not at the bottom but at the top. The reason millions of refugees have fled the Middle East - irst Iraq, now Syria - are the invasions and imperial mayhem of Britain, the United States, France, the European Union and Nato. Before that, there was the wilful destruction of Yugoslavia. Before that, there was the theft of Palestine and the imposition of Israel.
The pith helmets may have long gone, but the blood has never dried. A nineteenth century contempt for countries and peoples, depending on their degree of colonial usefulness, remains a centrepiece of modern "globalisation", with its perverse socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor: its freedom for capital and denial of freedom to labour; its perfidious politicians and politicised civil servants.
All this has now come home to Europe, enriching the likes of Tony Blair and impoverishing and disempowering millions. On 23 June, the British said no more.
The most effective propagandists of the "European ideal" have not been the far right, but an insufferably patrician class for whom metropolitan London is the United Kingdom. Its leading members see themselves as liberal, enlightened, cultivated tribunes of the 21st century zeitgeist, even "cool". What they really are is a bourgeoisie with insatiable consumerist tastes and ancient instincts of their own superiority. In their house paper, the Guardian, they have gloated, day after day, at those who would even consider the EU profoundly undemocratic, a source of social injustice and a virulent extremism known as "neoliberalism".
The aim of this extremism is to install a permanent, capitalist theocracy that ensures a two-thirds society, with the majority divided and indebted, managed by a corporate class, and a permanent working poor. In Britain today, 63 per cent of poor children grow up in families where one member is working. For them, the trap has closed. More than 600,000 residents of Britain's second city, Greater Manchester, are, reports a study, "experiencing the effects of extreme poverty" and 1.6 million are slipping into penury.
Little of this social catastrophe is acknowledged in the bourgeois controlled media, notably the Oxbridge dominated BBC. During the referendum campaign, almost no insightful analysis was allowed to intrude upon the clichéd hysteria about "leaving Europe", as if Britain was about to be towed in hostile currents somewhere north of Iceland.
On the morning after the vote, a BBC radio reporter welcomed politicians to his studio as old chums. "Well," he said to "Lord" Peter Mandelson, the disgraced architect of Blairism, "why do these people want it so badly?" The "these people" are the majority of Britons.
The wealthy war criminal Tony Blair remains a hero of the Mandelson "European" class, though few will say so these days. The Guardian once described Blair as "mystical" and has been true to his "project" of rapacious war. The day after the vote, the columnist Martin Kettle offered a Brechtian solution to the misuse of democracy by the masses. "Now surely we can agree referendums are bad for Britain", said the headline over his full-page piece. The "we" was unexplained but understood - just as "these people" is understood. "The referendum has conferred less legitimacy on politics, not more," wrote Kettle. " ... the verdict on referendums should be a ruthless one. Never again."
The kind of ruthlessness Kettle longs for is found in Greece, a country now airbrushed. There, they had a referendum and the result was ignored. Like the Labour Party in Britain, the leaders of the Syriza government in Athens are the products of an affluent, highly privileged, educated middle class, groomed in the fakery and political treachery of post-modernism. The Greek people courageously used the referendum to demand their government sought "better terms" with a venal status quo in Brussels that was crushing the life out of their country. They were betrayed, as the British would have been betrayed.
On Friday, the Labour Party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was asked by the BBC if he would pay tribute to the departed Cameron, his comrade in the "remain" campaign. Corbyn fulsomely praised Cameron's "dignity" and noted his backing for gay marriage and his apology to the Irish families of the dead of Bloody Sunday. He said nothing about Cameron's divisiveness, his brutal austerity policies, his lies about "protecting" the Health Service. Neither did he remind people of the war mongering of the Cameron government: the dispatch of British special forces to Libya and British bomb aimers to Saudi Arabia and, above all, the beckoning of world war three.
In the week of the referendum vote, no British politician and, to my knowledge, no journalist referred to Vladimir Putin's speech in St. Petersburg commemorating the seventy-fifth anniversary of Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union on 22 June, 1941. The Soviet victory - at a cost of 27 million Soviet lives and the majority of all German forces - won the Second World War.
Putin likened the current frenzied build up of Nato troops and war material on Russia's western borders to the Third Reich's Operation Barbarossa. Nato's exercises in Poland were the biggest since the Nazi invasion; Operation Anaconda had simulated an attack on Russia, presumably with nuclear weapons. On the eve of the referendum, the quisling secretary-general of Nato, Jens Stoltenberg, warned Britons they would be endangering "peace and security" if they voted to leave the EU. The millions who ignored him and Cameron, Osborne, Corbyn, Obama and the man who runs the Bank of England may, just may, have struck a blow for real peace and democracy in Europe.
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Why the British said no to Europe
25 June 2016
The majority vote by Britons to leave the European Union was an act of raw democracy. Millions of ordinary people refused to be bullied, intimidated and dismissed with open contempt by their presumed betters in the major parties, the leaders of the business and banking oligarchy and the media.
This was, in great part, a vote by those angered and demoralised by the sheer arrogance of the apologists for the "remain" campaign and the dismemberment of a socially just civil life in Britain. The last bastion of the historic reforms of 1945, the National Health Service, has been so subverted by Tory and Labour-supported privateers it is fighting for its life.
A forewarning came when the Treasurer, George Osborne, the embodiment of both Britain's ancient regime and the banking mafia in Europe, threatened to cut £30 billion from public services if people voted the wrong way; it was blackmail on a shocking scale.
Immigration was exploited in the campaign with consummate cynicism, not only by populist politicians from the lunar right, but by Labour politicians drawing on their own venerable tradition of promoting and nurturing racism, a symptom of corruption not at the bottom but at the top. The reason millions of refugees have fled the Middle East - irst Iraq, now Syria - are the invasions and imperial mayhem of Britain, the United States, France, the European Union and Nato. Before that, there was the wilful destruction of Yugoslavia. Before that, there was the theft of Palestine and the imposition of Israel.
The pith helmets may have long gone, but the blood has never dried. A nineteenth century contempt for countries and peoples, depending on their degree of colonial usefulness, remains a centrepiece of modern "globalisation", with its perverse socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor: its freedom for capital and denial of freedom to labour; its perfidious politicians and politicised civil servants.
All this has now come home to Europe, enriching the likes of Tony Blair and impoverishing and disempowering millions. On 23 June, the British said no more.
The most effective propagandists of the "European ideal" have not been the far right, but an insufferably patrician class for whom metropolitan London is the United Kingdom. Its leading members see themselves as liberal, enlightened, cultivated tribunes of the 21st century zeitgeist, even "cool". What they really are is a bourgeoisie with insatiable consumerist tastes and ancient instincts of their own superiority. In their house paper, the Guardian, they have gloated, day after day, at those who would even consider the EU profoundly undemocratic, a source of social injustice and a virulent extremism known as "neoliberalism".
The aim of this extremism is to install a permanent, capitalist theocracy that ensures a two-thirds society, with the majority divided and indebted, managed by a corporate class, and a permanent working poor. In Britain today, 63 per cent of poor children grow up in families where one member is working. For them, the trap has closed. More than 600,000 residents of Britain's second city, Greater Manchester, are, reports a study, "experiencing the effects of extreme poverty" and 1.6 million are slipping into penury.
Little of this social catastrophe is acknowledged in the bourgeois controlled media, notably the Oxbridge dominated BBC. During the referendum campaign, almost no insightful analysis was allowed to intrude upon the clichéd hysteria about "leaving Europe", as if Britain was about to be towed in hostile currents somewhere north of Iceland.
On the morning after the vote, a BBC radio reporter welcomed politicians to his studio as old chums. "Well," he said to "Lord" Peter Mandelson, the disgraced architect of Blairism, "why do these people want it so badly?" The "these people" are the majority of Britons.
The wealthy war criminal Tony Blair remains a hero of the Mandelson "European" class, though few will say so these days. The Guardian once described Blair as "mystical" and has been true to his "project" of rapacious war. The day after the vote, the columnist Martin Kettle offered a Brechtian solution to the misuse of democracy by the masses. "Now surely we can agree referendums are bad for Britain", said the headline over his full-page piece. The "we" was unexplained but understood - just as "these people" is understood. "The referendum has conferred less legitimacy on politics, not more," wrote Kettle. " ... the verdict on referendums should be a ruthless one. Never again."
The kind of ruthlessness Kettle longs for is found in Greece, a country now airbrushed. There, they had a referendum and the result was ignored. Like the Labour Party in Britain, the leaders of the Syriza government in Athens are the products of an affluent, highly privileged, educated middle class, groomed in the fakery and political treachery of post-modernism. The Greek people courageously used the referendum to demand their government sought "better terms" with a venal status quo in Brussels that was crushing the life out of their country. They were betrayed, as the British would have been betrayed.
On Friday, the Labour Party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was asked by the BBC if he would pay tribute to the departed Cameron, his comrade in the "remain" campaign. Corbyn fulsomely praised Cameron's "dignity" and noted his backing for gay marriage and his apology to the Irish families of the dead of Bloody Sunday. He said nothing about Cameron's divisiveness, his brutal austerity policies, his lies about "protecting" the Health Service. Neither did he remind people of the war mongering of the Cameron government: the dispatch of British special forces to Libya and British bomb aimers to Saudi Arabia and, above all, the beckoning of world war three.
In the week of the referendum vote, no British politician and, to my knowledge, no journalist referred to Vladimir Putin's speech in St. Petersburg commemorating the seventy-fifth anniversary of Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union on 22 June, 1941. The Soviet victory - at a cost of 27 million Soviet lives and the majority of all German forces - won the Second World War.
Putin likened the current frenzied build up of Nato troops and war material on Russia's western borders to the Third Reich's Operation Barbarossa. Nato's exercises in Poland were the biggest since the Nazi invasion; Operation Anaconda had simulated an attack on Russia, presumably with nuclear weapons. On the eve of the referendum, the quisling secretary-general of Nato, Jens Stoltenberg, warned Britons they would be endangering "peace and security" if they voted to leave the EU. The millions who ignored him and Cameron, Osborne, Corbyn, Obama and the man who runs the Bank of England may, just may, have struck a blow for real peace and democracy in Europe.
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Huge issues in Labour Leadership battle now. The Politburo are carrying out a purge of members, suspending people with minimal information and no chance to question decisions. They are said to be suspending 1000 members a day and all are left wing. It is vote rigging on a massive scale. One member was suspended because he once tweeted in support of the Green Party in 2013! Those suspended can in some cases appeal but in the meantime have lost their votes in this election.
They are using software to search members social media accounts. I cannot believe that this is the UK Labour Party behaving like this to people who have supported the party in one case for 45 years. They have torn up the values the Party stood for. How can they go to a national election as a party for social justice when thery treat loyal members this way.
I have locked down my Twitter ac and changed the email address and I don't do Facebook so I may possib!y escape. If so I'll see if Corbyn is reelected and what he does to address this. But it's looking grim.
As a general point its worth saying to all of you be careful with social media. It shows how easily your profile can be accessed and used against you. We are now advised by the left wing activists to use an email ac different from our main one and a different name!
They are using software to search members social media accounts. I cannot believe that this is the UK Labour Party behaving like this to people who have supported the party in one case for 45 years. They have torn up the values the Party stood for. How can they go to a national election as a party for social justice when thery treat loyal members this way.
I have locked down my Twitter ac and changed the email address and I don't do Facebook so I may possib!y escape. If so I'll see if Corbyn is reelected and what he does to address this. But it's looking grim.
As a general point its worth saying to all of you be careful with social media. It shows how easily your profile can be accessed and used against you. We are now advised by the left wing activists to use an email ac different from our main one and a different name!
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That's how I feel. They call us Corbyn supporters Trots but this is Stalin reborn!
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