The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[DarthFed]

oh yeah cream does rise to the top, except they are like old soup being reheated too many times

Haha that's one way to look at it! Gramps and gramps-in-training have taken over the tour like its 2005-2007 again.

 

[Moxie]

Haha that's one way to look at it! Gramps and gramps-in-training have taken over the tour like its 2005-2010 again.

Fixed it for you. It's like we woke up and Djokovic and Murray never happened. That seems to be the way the fans are treating it. I don't want to tell Obsi, but apparently Miami attendance numbers have never been this high with numbers 1 and 2 not featuring. Seems like Roger and Rafa ARE still the biggest draws. Surprised?

 

[Ricardo]

oh pls he is not even here and you still poke him?

actually nobody is surprised as Fedal would be the biggest names until they retire.

 

[Obsi]

Fixed it for you. It's like we woke up and Djokovic and Murray never happened. That seems to be the way the fans are treating it. I don't want to tell Obsi, but apparently Miami attendance numbers have never been this high with numbers 1 and 2 not featuring. Seems like Roger and Rafa ARE still the biggest draws. Surprised?

I've never said Djokovic is more popular than Nadal in the USA. I believe Novak is more popular than Rafa worldwide.

I guess this your way to vent your frustration because your man lost today.

 

[Federberg]

I've never said Djokovic is more popular than Nadal in the USA. I believe Novak is more popular than Rafa worldwide.

I guess this your way to vent your frustration because your man lost today.

Wow! You really believe Novak is more popular than Rafa worldwide? Never heard anyone suggest that before

 

[Obsi]

Wow! You really believe Novak is more popular than Rafa worldwide? Never heard anyone suggest that before

Are you saying it's a fact that Nadal is more popular than Djokovic worldwide?

 

[Moxie]

Don't be so sensitive, Obsi. I was reporting what the Miami tournament said, which was that attendance and ratings weren't down, despite 1 & 2 being out of the tourney. I posted that yesterday, btw. I think we established on the other thread that it's hard to get to the "facts" as to popularity. But I think you'll have a hard time convincing most people that Novak is more popular than Nadal worldwide.

 

[britbox]

ATP Rankings 2 April 2017

1 (1) Andy Murray(Britain) 11960
2 (2) Novak Djokovic(Serbia) 7915
3 (3) Stan Wawrinka(Switzerland) 5785
4 (6) Roger Federer(Switzerland) 5305
5 (7) Rafa Nadal(Spain) 4735
6 (5) Milos Raonic(Canada) 4345
7 (4) Kei Nishikori(Japan) 4310
8 (9) Marin Cilic(Croatia) 3385
9 (8) Dominic Thiem(Austria) 3385
10 (10) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga(France) 3265
11 (11) Gael Monfils(France) 3010
12 (13) Grigor Dimitrov(Bulgaria) 2880
13 (14) Tomas Berdych(Czech Republic) 2790
14 (12) David Goffin(Belgium) 2705
15 (17) Jack Sock(U.S.) 2510
16 (16) Nick Kyrgios(Australia) 2425
17 (15) Lucas Pouille(France) 2376
18 (18) Roberto Bautista(Spain) 2190
19 (19) Pablo Carreno(Spain) 2025
20 (20) Alexander Zverev(Germany) 2005
21 (21) Ivo Karlovic(Croatia) 1795
22 (22) Richard Gasquet(France) 1785
23 (23) John Isner(U.S.) 1750
24 (24) Albert Ramos(Spain) 1625
25 (27) Sam Querrey(U.S.) 1480
26 (26) Pablo Cuevas(Uruguay) 1425
27 (29) Gilles Muller(Luxembourg) 1425
28 (40) Fabio Fognini(Italy) 1385
29 (28) Steve Johnson(U.S.) 1380
30 (25) Gilles Simon(France) 1325
31 (30) Fernando Verdasco(Spain) 1325
32 (31) Philipp Kohlschreiber(Germany) 1270
33 (33) Mischa Zverev(Germany) 1249
34 (32) David Ferrer(Spain) 1230
35 (34) Juan Martin Del Potro(Argentina) 1195
36 (36) Feliciano Lopez(Spain) 1090
37 (35) Joao Sousa(Portugal) 1080
38 (37) Paolo Lorenzi(Italy) 1063
39 (38) Viktor Troicki(Serbia) 1055
40 (39) Benoit Paire(France) 1040
41 (42) Diego Schwartzman(Argentina) 990
42 (51) Donald Young(U.S.) 961
43 (44) Bernard Tomic(Australia) 950
44 (43) Daniel Evans(Britain) 944
45 (41) Marcel Granollers(Spain) 942
46 (55) Nicolas Mahut(France) 935
47 (45) Kyle Edmund(Britain) 933
48 (48) Robin Haase(Netherlands) 933
49 (46) Florian Mayer(Germany) 923
50 (47) Ryan Harrison(U.S.) 912
51 (57) Federico Delbonis(Argentina) 905
52 (53) Malek Jaziri(Tunisia) 900
53 (49) Steve Darcis(Belgium) 899
54 (54) Jiri Vesely(Czech Republic) 898
55 (52) Karen Khachanov(Russia) 877
56 (50) Marcos Baghdatis(Cyprus) 870
57 (56) Nicolas Almagro(Spain) 835
58 (65) Adrian Mannarino(France) 816
59 (62) Borna Coric(Croatia) 815
60 (59) Nikoloz Basilashvili(Georgia) 809
61 (63) Jan-Lennard Struff(Germany) 803
62 (61) Martin Klizan(Slovakia) 800
63 (60) Daniil Medvedev(Russia) 789
64 (58) Yoshihito Nishioka(Japan) 778
65 (64) Lu Yen-Hsun(Taiwan) 778
66 (69) Carlos Berlocq(Argentina) 739
67 (71) Thomaz Bellucci(Brazil) 736
68 (77) Jeremy Chardy(France) 735
69 (74) Kevin Anderson(South Africa) 730
70 (67) Alexandr Dolgopolov(Ukraine) 730
71 (70) Denis Istomin(Uzbekistan) 708
72 (72) Juan Monaco(Argentina) 705
73 (66) Damir Dzumhur(Bosnia and Herzegovina) 704
74 (68) Andrey Kuznetsov(Russia) 690
75 (95) Jared Donaldson(U.S.) 686
76 (80) Andreas Seppi(Italy) 685
77 (78) Dustin Brown(Germany) 685
78 (76) Mikhail Kukushkin(Kazakhstan) 681
79 (79) Jordan Thompson(Australia) 678
80 (73) Pierre-Hugues Herbert(France) 671
81 (82) Thiago Monteiro(Brazil) 668
82 (86) Radu Albot(Moldova) 655
83 (84) Rogerio Dutra Silva(Brazil) 652
84 (85) Dusan Lajovic(Serbia) 649
85 (88) Stephane Robert(France) 635
86 (75) Horacio Zeballos(Argentina) 631
87 (91) Victor Estrella(Dominican Republic) 626
88 (87) Mikhail Youzhny(Russia) 624
89 (101) Frances Tiafoe(U.S.) 617
90 (89) Gastao Elias(Portugal) 616
91 (90) Guillermo Garcia-Lopez(Spain) 615
92 (92) Chung Hyeon(South Korea) 604
93 (94) Aljaz Bedene(Britain) 603
94 (93) Janko Tipsarevic(Serbia) 603
95 (108) Ernesto Escobedo(U.S.) 597
96 (98) Renzo Olivo(Argentina) 596
97 (97) Yuichi Sugita(Japan) 593
98 (99) Radek Stepanek(Czech Republic) 587
99 (100) Taro Daniel(Japan) 587
100 (102) Facundo Bagnis(Argentina) 580

 

[DarthFed]

Man, he is closing in on Stan already. If I remember correctly Stan has very little to defend until RG so he will likely remain top 4 going into RG.

 

[DarthFed]

Nice jump for Fabulous Fabio too and he had a sub-par clay season last year. Some decent tourneys could get him back inside the top 20.

 

[Obsi]

Don't be so sensitive, Obsi.

You're sensitive. On the other thread you said, I quote "Obsi, you're very combative with me..."

I was reporting what the Miami tournament said, which was that attendance and ratings weren't down, despite 1 & 2 being out of the tourney.

Why did you mention my name when you were reporting that?

I think we established on the other thread that it's hard to get to the "facts" as to popularity.

You said there that it's a fact that Nadal is more popular than Djokovic.

But I think you'll have a hard time convincing most people that Novak is more popular than Nadal worldwide.

So what? Do you always go with majority opinion or do you use your brain?

 

[Moxie]

You are combative, Obsi. It doesn't bother me, but it seems unnecessary. We're just having a chat and a laugh. And I mentioned you as a bit of a nudge, no harm intended. When I said "fact of life," it was a turn of phrase. Surely you can understand that tennis players and their relative popularities have nothing to do with the actual facts of life. It's just tennis, dude.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

So, as we know Federer rose to #4 and Nadal to #5.

What are the chances Federer will still be in #4 by the start of RG, given he won't be playing in the clay-court season?

Fed will drop his Monte-Carlo QF, taking him to 5125 points, 390 ahead of Nadal. I believe Wawrinka is guaranteed to be ranked ahead of him at the FO, no matter what happens.

Rafa has good clay-court warm-up results to defend from last year, with wins in Monte-Carlo and Barcelona, SF in Madrid, and QF in Rome. So, he'd have to do something like W/F/SF in the three MS, and defend Barcelona, in order to overtake Fed. He's not done this since 2013, and while he's clearly doing well, I am not sure that he is playing quite as well as in 2013. On the other hand, it is not clear how well his main opposition will be doing either. So he's certainly capable of it in principle, but it's hardly a given.

(On the other hand, he is very likely to be ahead of Fed in the rankings after RG.)

I don't see anyone else likely to overtake Fed. Raonic has never had that much success on clay, while Nishikori has a fair amount of points to defend already.

So I'd probaly put it at at least 50-50 that Roger may get a top 4 seeding for Roland Garros. I would have never thought that was remotely possible, even after his AO win.

 

[herios]

New career highs on April 3, 2017:

15. Jack Sock 24y
41. Diego Schwartzman 24y
75. Jared Donaldson 20y
82. Radu Albot 27y
95. Ernesto Escobedo 20y

Another American young player enters into top 100 this week, Escobedo.
he came out of nowhere in the last few months, zooming past many others which were talked about before: Paul, Opelka, Kozlov. I am very curious where he will develop.

 

[El Dude]

Nice to see Jared Donaldson finally move up. I don't have high expectations for him, but could see him as a fixture in the 20-50, and occasionally dipping into the top 20.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Nice to see Jared Donaldson finally move up. I don't have high expectations for him, but could see him as a fixture in the 20-50, and occasionally dipping into the top 20.

Only reason he made it into the list is someone gave him a walkover at Miami due to injuries.

 

[MartyB]

Don't be so sensitive, Obsi. I was reporting what the Miami tournament said, which was that attendance and ratings weren't down, despite 1 & 2 being out of the tourney. I posted that yesterday, btw. I think we established on the other thread that it's hard to get to the "facts" as to popularity. But I think you'll have a hard time convincing most people that Novak is more popular than Nadal worldwide.

I think it's pretty clear to most that Fed/Nadal are 1 & 2 in global popularity. They are the quintessential match up that most fans want to see "Fire & Ice"..I recognize Novak's popularity after all I go to the US Open every year and his fan support is there but in my opinion just not on the level of those two guys.

 

[El Dude]

That isn't the only reason. He also qualified and beat his 1st and 2nd round opponents, Kyle Edmund and Mischa Zverev - both in the top 50. He gained an extra 45 points because Milos withdrew, but if he had lost to Milos he still would have gone from #95 to #85, so he got those extra 10 ranks courtesy of Milos, but earned the first 10 himself.

 

[DarthFed]

New career highs on April 3, 2017:

15. Jack Sock 24y
41. Diego Schwartzman 24y
75. Jared Donaldson 20y
82. Radu Albot 27y
95. Ernesto Escobedo 20y

Another American young player enters into top 100 this week, Escobedo.
he came out of nowhere in the last few months, zooming past many others which were talked about before: Paul, Opelka, Kozlov. I am very curious where he will develop.

I'm interested to see if Tiafoe makes some progress. He must have jumped a few spots this past week.

 

[Obsi]

You are combative, Obsi. It doesn't bother me, but it seems unnecessary.

It does bother you but you have no courage to admit it. There were many times when people where combative with me but I didn't tell them.

And I mentioned you as a bit of a nudge, no harm intended.

I've been posting on this forum for more than a year and I don't remember that you nudged me before. It's hard to believe it's coincidence you decided to nudge me after I was "combative" with you.

When I said "fact of life," it was a turn of phrase. Surely you can understand that tennis players and their relative popularities have nothing to do with the actual facts of life. It's just tennis, dude.

There's is only one meaning of the term "fact of life".