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Phrases like "Bringing home the bacon" and "Putting your eggs in one basket"... aren't PC as they may upset poor vegans.

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Ridiculous. Some years back, there was a movement by the PETA people to get the name of Fishkill, NY changed. Turns out, in Dutch "kil" means "stream." After Sept. 11, 2001, the debris from the WTC was taken to Fresh Kill in Staten Island, where a lot of the search for human remains was conducted. While everyone recognized that that was a bit of unfortunate sounding in English, no one ever suggested we change the name.
 

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The thing is, these people are a small but loud minority and we have been ignoring them for the longest time. That has to stop and these people have to be told, to their faces, that they are morons and they are wasting precious oxygen on this planet by existing. They HAVE to be ridiculed and put in their pathetic places. Because they are growing. Look at the universities....
 

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The thing is, these people are a small but loud minority and we have been ignoring them for the longest time. That has to stop and these people have to be told, to their faces, that they are morons and they are wasting precious oxygen on this planet by existing. They HAVE to be ridiculed and put in their pathetic places. Because they are growing. Look at the universities....
Well, they do say the quietest minds make the most noise. Lol. (I did very well there. I really felt like putting myself down but resisted the temptation.) I agree these people need telling straight but think that we should have dealt with them by laughing at them rather than ignoring them. Mind you, some things are too daft to laugh at.
 
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The thing is, these people are a small but loud minority and we have been ignoring them for the longest time. That has to stop and these people have to be told, to their faces, that they are morons and they are wasting precious oxygen on this planet by existing. They HAVE to be ridiculed and put in their pathetic places. Because they are growing. Look at the universities....
As most know around here, I'm not against the notion of political correctness, when sensitively and sensibly applied. In fact, I would like to define it for my own preferences as being generally sensitive to hate language, changing the use of hurtful words, which I believe has and does change the way people think about and treat minority groups. The original idea was that we address African-Americans, gays, woman, etc. in ways that they find respectful.

Where it has gone way off track, and also why people have adopted such an "anti-PC" position, is that it begins to be about "coddling" and "infantilizing" more than respecting. Or "fear of reprisal" by an institution, (say a university, or the CBC, as above,) more than actually feeling strongly about a position. However, you say, "look at the universities...." with an ellipsis, rather than stating what you object to. There's a lot in there, and I think we should be wary of sweeping generalities. Something are dopey and some things are fair. Some things are within their rights, as private institutions, where they are, to admit or proscribe. I'd be interested to know what you think the universities are doing that you object to, for the sake of clarity and debate.
 

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Moxie, I wish I had more time, or any time. Please google Bret Weinstein and what happened to him. And he is not alone.
Political correctness has maybe 5% to do with niceness. Rest is pushing certain ideology .
Political correctness stops serious discussion about any subject and only leaves room for superficiality. Because serious discussion about any important subject has the potential to offend someone, and it should.
I will give you an example: If I said something like "There are at least 60 easily identifiable biological differences between a man and a woman" , I will not be able to speak in any Canadian university and most US ones too. Remember, I did not say anything about one being better than the other or worse, just stated a biological fact and that is enough for the social justice warrior type lefties to be triggered. They are not interested in biology or science when it opposes their social reconstructionist world view.
Either way , check Weinstein's story and what happened to him if you can. That is where we are at right now.
 
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Since it was decided to pull “Baby it’s Cold Outside” from playlists because someone was offended, these songs must come under the microscope too...

1. I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus: subjecting minors to softcore porn

2. The Christmas Song: Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation

3. Holly Jolly Christmas: Kiss her once for me? Unwanted advances

4. White Christmas? Racist

5. Santa Claus is Coming to Town: Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom stalker

6. Most Wonderful Time of the Year: Everyone telling you to be of good cheer? Forced to hide depression

7. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer: Bullying. Nose-shaming.

8. It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas: Forced gender-specific gifts: dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben

9. Santa Baby: Gold digger, blackmail

10. Frosty the Snowman: Sexist; not a snow woman or snow person

11. Do You Hear What I Hear: blatant disregard for the hearing impaired

12. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas: Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow

13. Jingle Bell Rock: Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: animal abuse

14. Mistletoe and Holly: Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day?

15. Winter Wonderland: Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership

16. I'll Be Home For Christmas: Not if you are homeless. That's just Insensitive

17. Grandma got ran over by a reindeer: Homicide. Extremely violent and promotes alcoholism.
 

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Since it was decided to pull “Baby it’s Cold Outside” from playlists because someone was offended, these songs must come under the microscope too...

1. I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus: subjecting minors to softcore porn

2. The Christmas Song: Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation

3. Holly Jolly Christmas: Kiss her once for me? Unwanted advances

4. White Christmas? Racist

5. Santa Claus is Coming to Town: Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom stalker

6. Most Wonderful Time of the Year: Everyone telling you to be of good cheer? Forced to hide depression

7. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer: Bullying. Nose-shaming.

8. It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas: Forced gender-specific gifts: dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben

9. Santa Baby: Gold digger, blackmail

10. Frosty the Snowman: Sexist; not a snow woman or snow person

11. Do You Hear What I Hear: blatant disregard for the hearing impaired

12. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas: Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow

13. Jingle Bell Rock: Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: animal abuse

14. Mistletoe and Holly: Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day?

15. Winter Wonderland: Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership

16. I'll Be Home For Christmas: Not if you are homeless. That's just Insensitive

17. Grandma got ran over by a reindeer: Homicide. Extremely violent and promotes alcoholism.
Haha! Good 1. Thinking about it, you've forgotten 1 but this isn't exactly Xmassy. What about the funny Scottish sing-along song called "Ye cannae shove yer Grannie aff the bus" which is violent as it encourages teenagers to try to do it as they always like to do the opposite of what you say?



I included a link in case some people haven't heard the song.
 
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^I struggle to believe this. I can only think those parents have serious psychological issues. Sexualization of children -- whatever orientation you put on that -- is disgusting. One thing is to understand the need for sexual education (how to do it is a giant discussion in itself), other completely different is to throw children to the lions (again, whichever sexual orientation those lions might have). I really, really, really hope this is a point completely out of the curve.
 

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^I struggle to believe this. I can only think those parents have serious psychological issues. Sexualization of children -- whatever orientation you put on that -- is disgusting. One thing is to understand the need for sexual education (how to do it is a giant discussion in itself), other completely different is to throw children to the lions (again, whichever sexual orientation those lions might have). I really, really, really hope this is a point completely out of the curve.
Or you could read about the kid and his parents, and how they have taken advice from psychologists on his website. The article that BB posted is clearly outraged, and sensationalizes from a real slant, but there IS more to the story. I suggest you read. For those who hate "PC BS," I really do suggest not buying into sensation articles, either. Otherwise, aren't you part of the problem?
 

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Or you could read about the kid and his parents, and how they have taken advice from psychologists on his website. The article that BB posted is clearly outraged, and sensationalizes from a real slant, but there IS more to the story. I suggest you read. For those who hate "PC BS," I really do suggest not buying into sensation articles, either. Otherwise, aren't you part of the problem?

Thanks for the link. I just checked it. You are right that we always must dig deeper. However, I still think there is a whole misconception going on there.

First, I am able to tell that the original link which I commented on was sensationalist. I could only guess what was the underneath "truth" and the website you gave sort of confirmed what I thought. There is an agenda there, for sure.

There is more to the story? Yes. This is a typical case of building a great lie out of a "smaller" truth. The therapist quoted gave a sober advice, "the best thing to do would be to neither discourage, nor encourage, but rather to allow Desmond to develop naturally". Perfect. Now if you believe for one second that all that is built over this child has "developed naturally", then we can start talking (if you follow his story on his website and cares to calculate what age he was in the events described, you'll get my point). I am not disputing the fact that the child feels better dressing like a girl. I am disputing the fact that this child is being explored for an agenda. There is, in principle, no sexual content in a child dressing man or women clothes. There is a huge sexual content in a lot of pictures of this child.

What would happen if this child, in "drag" clothes, happens to meet backstage some big sweaty hairy pedophile? I can assure you that it won't be a sweet and gentle introduction to sexual life. Extreme example, I know.

Look, Moxie, I understand the "agenda" behind the sensationalists links. I also know that the real world lies somewhere between the far opposing poles of internet stories. But stories like that, it does not matter how you tell it, do not help. If the kid likes Diana Ross, fine. This is not the issue. The child is not the issue.

I keep remembering the "Little Miss Sunshine", and even if I liked the movie, my stomach always turns when I see that young girl doing those sexual numbers (obviously all the other girls scenes are odd too). I am always grateful of being introduced to sex life when I was old enough to understand it minimally, which lead to a healthy, very good and trauma free adulthood in that regard.

The irony is that it was a long struggle to completely separate, from a clinical/psychological point of view, homosexuality from pathologies related to sexual behavior. Stories like that go way backwards in that regard.

I get your point that sensationalism in general explores people's bias and prejudices. But sometimes they just make it too easy....
 

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You get my point about these agenda-driven articles. Thank you for taking the time to read that carefully. I'm not interested in defending that kid's parents or their choices. I don't really know enough. However, I will say that the child is all but certainly not alone backstage, and however they dress, pedophiles aren't drawn by that, clearly.
 

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Or you could read about the kid and his parents, and how they have taken advice from psychologists on his website. The article that BB posted is clearly outraged, and sensationalizes from a real slant, but there IS more to the story. I suggest you read. For those who hate "PC BS," I really do suggest not buying into sensation articles, either. Otherwise, aren't you part of the problem?

Well, let's break down the facts...

1) 11-Year-Old Boy Dressed In Drag Dances At Gay Bar, Gets Dollar Bills Thrown At Him

Assessment: Major fucking problem with the boys parents for allowing him to be in that situation.
 
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That was a bit long and not especially informative. If the point is that comedians should be allowed to be outrageous and say all things in their comedy, I think we're agreed. But Kevin Hart wasn't disinvited from the Oscars for his comedy, but for things he tweeted about his personal homophobic beliefs. He's welcome to hold them, I guess, but the Academy is also within its rights to decide that he won't be the face of the Oscars. It's not about his comedy. That's the important distinction.
 

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That was a bit long and not especially informative. If the point is that comedians should be allowed to be outrageous and say all things in their comedy, I think we're agreed. But Kevin Hart wasn't disinvited from the Oscars for his comedy, but for things he tweeted about his personal homophobic beliefs. He's welcome to hold them, I guess, but the Academy is also within its rights to decide that he won't be the face of the Oscars. It's not about his comedy. That's the important distinction.
Actually Kevin Hart has addressed these issues multiple times in the past, feel free to look up his post film interviews over the last few years where he's been challenged. It's interesting that these have been dredged up a day after it's announced he'll host the Oscars. The timing's a bit dodgy in my view. Over the last few years he has stated that he's grown and would no longer take such positions, but the PC mob seems to have ignored that in their collective outrage. That's the important point ;)
 

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no he backed off

I was just checking him out and saw a couple of interviews. I liked that he didn't fold. He'd explained himself already. Glad he pushed back.

I think Hollywood and Mainstream Television aren't helping themselves... they are just accelerating a drive to the splintering of the whole entertainment business. I watch tons of Indie Youtube channels these days - far more than TV... Far less sanitized, much greater pushback from loyal audiences to pandering to the whims of each and every offended minority group.