2015 Wimbledon Final: Djokovic v. Federer II

[Kieran]

Roger is sharper than I've seen him in a while. Nole not looking near as sharp as usual... Thoughts??

I think Nole is vulnerable and the match against Kevin Anderson scared him. It helps that he hasn't had to play anyone of any note to make it to the final. His draw was a joke.

I'm taking Roger in 3 or 4...

Novak's draw "was a joke?" Compared to...what, exactly? He got the highest ranked bloke he could get in round one. He got the finalist in Queens in round 4.

He got the US Open champion in the QF, and was scheduled to face the FO champ in the semis, but got his conqueror instead.

Yeah, hilarious joke. Federer got US Navy SEALS, by comparison...

 

[Busted]

Lol! Macenroe has now changed his mind, and says Federer not Nadal is greatest player ever. And even worse news, Borg thinks Roger will win. He's shocking at making these calls

Poor Johnny Mac. One day he'll finally get around to admitting that Rafa is good but not great on any surface not red and dirt. Has Rafa been in 5 Slam finals on every surface? Nope. Take the clay away and he's got 5 Slam wins. Take grass from Roger and he's got 10 Slam wins. And at least Roger knows when he needs to get his head out of his butt and get a new coach. Family's family...but damn...even I'm starting to feel sorry for Nadal and I can't stand him...

 

[Busted]

Roger is sharper than I've seen him in a while. Nole not looking near as sharp as usual... Thoughts??

I think Nole is vulnerable and the match against Kevin Anderson scared him. It helps that he hasn't had to play anyone of any note to make it to the final. His draw was a joke.

I'm taking Roger in 3 or 4...

Novak's draw "was a joke?" Compared to...what, exactly? He got the highest ranked bloke he could get in round one. He got the finalist in Queens in round 4.

He got the US Open champion in the QF, and was scheduled to face the FO champ in the semis, but got his conqueror instead.

Yeah, hilarious joke. Federer got US Navy SEALS, by comparison...

Yeah, it was a joke. Who did he play? He lucked out and didn't have to play Stan. His record against the guys he played - 41 wins, 4 losses

Kohlschreiber (rank 33) - 6 wins, 1 loss
Nieminen - (92) - 5 wins, 1 loss
Tomic (26) - 3 wins, 0 losses
Anderson (14)- 4 wins, 1 loss
Cilic (9) - 12 wins, 0 losses
Gasquet (20) - 11 wins, 1 loss

He can beat this guys from his hyperbaric chamber while in a prone position - snoring.

Also, I never said Roger's draw was the toughest ever. I merely said Nole's draw was a cake walk. When the tourney started Roger had a lot of potential threats on his side of the draw - Monfils, Berdych, Nadal and Murray have all beaten him and can be difficult players for him. It's not his fault Nadal has his head up his butt and Berdych flamed out. Who did Nole have on his side of the draw - Stan, Cilic (who's been worthless since last year's US Open), Nishikori (another snoozer since the US Open), Raonic (coming off injury and no match for Nole anyway), Kyrgios (who can't seem to win more than 2 matches in a row) and perennial under-achiever Dimitrov. I'm not saying it's Nole's fault that aside from Stan none of these guys are a threat to him. That's just the way it is. That's why Roger's still #2 at nearly 34 and has a great chance to win Slam #18. The fields are deep on paper only. When they go out and play the matches it's transparent that there's really only 3-4 guys (5 when Nadal finally gets his act together) who consistently have a shot at even making the final, let alone winning.

 

[Kieran]

Yeah, it was a joke. Who did he play? He lucked out and didn't have to play Stan. His record against the guys he played - 41 wins, 4 losses

Kohlschreiber (rank 33) - 6 wins, 1 loss
Nieminen - (92) - 5 wins, 1 loss
Tomic (26) - 3 wins, 0 losses
Anderson (14)- 4 wins, 1 loss
Cilic (9) - 12 wins, 0 losses
Gasquet (20) - 11 wins, 1 loss

He can beat this guys from his hyperbaric chamber while in a prone position - snoring.

Also, I never said Roger's draw was the toughest ever. I merely said Nole's draw was a cake walk. When the tourney started Roger had a lot of potential threats on his side of the draw - Monfils, Berdych, Nadal and Murray have all beaten him and can be difficult players for him. It's not his fault Nadal has his head up his butt and Berdych flamed out. Who did Nole have on his side of the draw - Stan, Cilic (who's been worthless since last year's US Open), Nishikori (another snoozer since the US Open), Raonic (coming off injury and no match for Nole anyway), Kyrgios (who can't seem to win more than 2 matches in a row) and perennial under-achiever Dimitrov. I'm not saying it's Nole's fault that aside from Stan none of these guys are a threat to him. That's just the way it is. That's why Roger's still #2 at nearly 34 and has a great chance to win Slam #18. The fields are deep on paper only. When they go out and play the matches it's transparent that there's really only 3-4 guys (5 when Nadal finally gets his act together) who consistently have a shot at even making the final, let alone winning.

He lucked out - and faced the bloke who beat Stan. :cover

And the US Open champ. :cover

And the finalist at Queens. :cover

And the highest ranked unseeded bloke, in the very first match. :cover

What kind of draw would satisfy you, given that you think the field is paper thin? By the way, I'm not arguing that it was a hugely tough draw, but your opening assault was too silly to let go...

 

[bobvance]

The only decent part about Novak's draw was that he didn't have to face Stan in the semis. The rest of the tournament he's been disarming some very dangerous players.

 

[atttomole]

Lol! Macenroe has now changed his mind, and says Federer not Nadal is greatest player ever. And even worse news, Borg thinks Roger will win. He's shocking at making these calls

I think ESPN also pays him to sell the sport, besides analyzing the tennis.

 

[bobvance]

One thing that gives me hope that Roger can pull it off is that he's been playing great tactical tennis lately. When he was younger it seemed like many times he wouldn't have a plan going into a match and would rely on being gifted to pull him through. Today against Andy he kept going back to winning patterns, he didn't approach the net carelessly, and he kept points short when he could. He also tee'd off on Andy's second serve when back in the old days he was more content to chip a return back and start the point neutral. It seems to me like Edberg has been preparing him well. I'm hoping they have a good game plan going into the match with Nole.

 

[Front242]

Yeah, please no headless chicken Roddick net approaches against Novak.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I belong to the camp who think that if Roger serves like today, he will win the match (unless Novak does a go for broke return like he did in USO SF on a lot of serves). Also, I am fairly confident that Roger will continue to serve that way.

Novak is definitely not looking sharp in this whole tourney. However, we could explain that as saying he did not need to be. On the other hand, it may be lead to lingering habits.

Novak's second serve is definitely way better than Andy's. So, I don't think Roger will have as many ROS winners as he did today.

Finally, I think the RG loss will have a negative psychological effect on Novak in this match.

Roger in 4. If it goes to 5, then it is Novak.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I hope Andy Roddick calls this match. I enjoyed his commentary during Federer/Murray.

 

[Murat B.]

I hope Andy Roddick calls this match. I enjoyed his commentary during Federer/Murray.

What channel was that on ?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I hope Andy Roddick calls this match. I enjoyed his commentary during Federer/Murray.

What channel was that on ?

Andy comments for BBC. In, NA when you see through ESPN, you won't get to hear him.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Yeah Roddick is a nice commentator, comes across well and knows about playing against the current top rungs

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[Murat B.]

The best feed I had today online was in French...maybe I will get lucky Sunday and get BBC. I had enough Oh la la's to last me a lifetime.

 

[Moxie]

The best feed I had today online was in French...maybe I will get lucky Sunday and get BBC. I had enough Oh la la's to last me a lifetime.

Oh, come on...I'm not sure you can ever get enough "Ooo la la's." :lolz:

Roger has played great grass tennis all "season." If he plays at this level on Sunday, I don't think Novak can hurt him enough. For Novak to win, he definitely has to find the next level, and try like hell to get into Roger's service games early, even if he's just pressuring, not breaking. If he can keep it tight and take it to a 5th, he could get it. But Roger is looking like the man holding the cards.

 

[tented]

The best feed I had today online was in French...maybe I will get lucky Sunday and get BBC. I had enough Oh la la's to last me a lifetime.

Oh, come on...I'm not sure you can ever get enough "Ooo la la's." :lolz:

Exactly! Here's one more:

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xwnb3cymc[/video]

 

[nehmeth]

As I said in the other thread I agree with the ones who say that If Federer serves like he did today he wins. And, no, that does not depend on the returner. The returner cannot control the % of first serves in, and all those aces of today would have been aces against anyone.

I do agree the returner cannot control the % of first serves in, but the returner can influence the server to go for a little more than he should. Novak has a tendency to do that with Roger. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

 

[nehmeth]

The best feed I had today online was in French...maybe I will get lucky Sunday and get BBC. I had enough Oh la la's to last me a lifetime.

Oh, come on...I'm not sure you can ever get enough "Ooo la la's." :lolz:

Exactly! Here's one more:

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xwnb3cymc[/video]

Thanks for that one brother... :hug

 

[Moxie]

The best feed I had today online was in French...maybe I will get lucky Sunday and get BBC. I had enough Oh la la's to last me a lifetime.

Oh, come on...I'm not sure you can ever get enough "Ooo la la's." :lolz:

Exactly! Here's one more:

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xwnb3cymc[/video]

Ah, that's a beauty for a summer Friday. Thanks, T! Who says Nadal fans need a separate thread to find a way to enjoy the proceedings?

OK, sorry, back to your regularly scheduled Fedovic thread. (If you must....)

 

[Moxie]

As I said in the other thread I agree with the ones who say that If Federer serves like he did today he wins. And, no, that does not depend on the returner. The returner cannot control the % of first serves in, and all those aces of today would have been aces against anyone.

I do agree the returner cannot control the % of first serves in, but the returner can influence the server to go for a little more than he should. Novak has a tendency to do that with Roger. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

This is a point I made just above. Djokovic should try to press hard on that serve from the outset, even if he doesn't have early success. If he forces Roger to go for closer lines, he'll get some DFs. And if he forces Fed to pull back a bit, he's got the great ROS. He's got TB options for the first few sets, but if he pressures Roger hard, look for it to pay off possibly by the 3rd.