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This is bordering on a logical fallacy, though I can't place which one: assuming a view is held due to bias, without imagining that there are other possible reasons.

Anyhow, I still see Sinner as the 2nd favorite. I'm just not sure that Novak is up for winning a Slam, or especially getting past Carlos, whereas I can imagine a scenario in which Sinner plays his very best and beats Carlos. I still think Alcaraz is the favorite, though, and the gap between Novak and the field is a veritable gulf compared to the relatively small gap between Sinner and Novak.

I guess I'm biased?
You are completely biased so your opinions don’t count! ; )

Whereas my unbiased & completely objective opinion:

I dunno about Novak, he has definitely lost a quarter of a step this last year, having said that, IF he’s not facing Alcaraz or Sinner I still like his chances against anyone else at W.

The draw is one of those things, it matters when it matters. Get Novak in Draper’s or Zverev’s W QUarter & IMO his chances go up to make the finals by a lot.
 

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Biased? No. But... I can't understand how a guy who has been in every final for the last 6 years can be behind someone who hasn't even been to a final yet. And when that person has the single best record in slams of all time? It's seems more like feeling than processing data, which is what I thought you like to do. And I'm no Novak fan... :)

Once the draw comes out then opinions can be formulated. But before? I don't get it...
It might have something to do w/ his age. Add to that he went over a year before winning a title. It may give a reason for pause. At some point you have to stop looking at the resume and focus on current. How is that person playing now.

A great example was this year at RG. Several commies called a win for Iga because she had been the belle of the ball. But the writing was clearly on the wall all year to those who saw her play in the last 4 months equals a lack of confidence.
 
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if their objection was because of something he had done to them, then that's fine. But if it's because they have a problem with him because of his politics or how he is, then they are the problem. And that's the issue infesting the Beeb right now. I can tell you for free that if Mac was a recently retired player and not a legend of the past they would be trying to cancel him too. It's tiresome and I'm really not surprised. This is what the Beeb is these days. Infested with blue haired, nose ringed petty tyrants whose feelings are more important that viewer entertainment :D
I think the problem is that Nick pleased guilty to assaulting his girl friend
 
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BTW,
Alcaraz joins Nadal and Feli ( my apologies I left you out earlier, I cant count ) for the most grass court titles by a Spanish man in the Open Era! ( 4 titles)
 
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hmmm... ok that's information I wasn't aware of
It wasnt his current GF, btw they have also split up, it was the one before, it happened in a hotel room in Adelaide, the police were called by his girlfriend at the time
 

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It might have something to do w/ his age. Add to that he went over a year before winning a title. It may give a reason for pause. At some point you have to stop looking at the resume and focus on current. How is that person playing now.

A great example was this year at RG. Several commies called a win for Iga because she had been the belle of the ball. But the writing was clearly on the wall all year to those who saw her play in the last 4 months equals a lack of confidence.
Yeah... but Novak isn't Iga. She's good don't get me wrong. But Novak is one of the 20-timers. He's been in the final the last 6 years. I need to SEE it. I may not like the dude all that much, but good grief I have to respect him
 
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Yeah... but Novak isn't Iga. She's good don't get me wrong. But Novak is one of the 20-timers. He's been in the final the last 6 years. I need to SEE it. I may not like the dude all that much, but good grief I have to respect him
This isn't about respect. It's a difference of opinion. You need to SEE it. Well I'm a what have you done for me lately girl. He's been all over the place recently. Why not play a warmup event? Even to get a couple of matches and bow out if necessary?
 
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This isn't about respect. It's a difference of opinion. You need to SEE it. Well I'm a what have you done for me lately girl. He's been all over the place recently. Why not play a warmup event? Even to get a couple of matches and bow out if necessary?
fair enough. Difference of opinion. He hasn't needed warm ups in the past. Frankly if he started doing that now I might feel differently. Keep doing what works. Let's see what happens. I certainly don't hope for him to pull up any trees. But I can't say that I think anyone outside of Carlito has a stronger chance of winning. IF he ends up on Carlos's side of the draw then I'll revise what I think of his chances
 
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Djokovic is not scheduled to play in the Boodles event in London, while he has participated in the event in the past, reports indcate he will not be playing any warm uo events prior to Wimbledon
 
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Alex Bublik winning in Halle today will be seeded #28 for Wimbledon
Matteo Berettini if he plays grabs the last seeded spot #32, still under a cloud if he will play, with his abdominal issue
Of course seedings can change if they are more withdrawals
Next in line, Perricard and Borges
 
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At 32 yo Bernard Tomic keeps chugging along he has qualified for the main draw in Mallorca
 

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Biased? No. But... I can't understand how a guy who has been in every final for the last 6 years can be behind someone who hasn't even been to a final yet. And when that person has the single best record in slams of all time? It's seems more like feeling than processing data, which is what I thought you like to do. And I'm no Novak fan... :)

Once the draw comes out then opinions can be formulated. But before? I don't get it...
Well, I was taking issue with the idea that not thinking Novak is the 2nd favorite = bias. It is just a difference of view, and from what I've seen from Novak, he's no longer on the level of Alcaraz or Sinner. But I still see him as the 3rd favorite, and due to his ability and experience it wouldn't totally surprise me if he won. Being 3rd favorite (in my view) is hardly a knock on him, especially considering he's 38. But looking at his recent level, and his overall downturn in 2024-25, I just think he's a step behind the other two, 24 Slams or not.

And aside from your weird presumption ("more like feeling than processing data"), I don't have an emotional attachment to any particular result. In truth, I'd enjoy seeing Novak bring one more trophy, but in this case I just think his chances are a bit behind the "Dynamic Duo."
 

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This isn't about respect. It's a difference of opinion. You need to SEE it. Well I'm a what have you done for me lately girl. He's been all over the place recently. Why not play a warmup event? Even to get a couple of matches and bow out if necessary?
I'm with you on this one, and El Dude. And Margaret, I think. I'm looking at current form, and not, as you say, the resume. We've talked about this, too, lately, but Novak's main problem is not the rest of the field, but the top 2. He's unlikely to get through the tournament without facing at least one of them. This is where the draw comes in, as Federberg says. If, say, both Alcaraz and Sinner get some really tricky early rounds, and Djokovic gets a dream draw, his chances go up.

Alcaraz looks to be in fine shape on the grass. And, as I have said, I'm not so worried about Sinner going out to Bublik in Halle. Wimbledon is best of 5, and that means anyone has to take out a top player by winning 3 sets, which is a tough ask against these guys, these days.

With Novak, age is definitely an issue. And without even an exhibition to get his feet in the grass, HE is surely the most vulnerable to early upset, of the 3. It has been hot in London, but they keep those grass courts up nicely. They will be slippery the first week.
 

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I'm with you on this one, and El Dude. And Margaret, I think. I'm looking at current form, and not, as you say, the resume. We've talked about this, too, lately, but Novak's main problem is not the rest of the field, but the top 2. He's unlikely to get through the tournament without facing at least one of them. This is where the draw comes in, as Federberg says. If, say, both Alcaraz and Sinner get some really tricky early rounds, and Djokovic gets a dream draw, his chances go up.

Alcaraz looks to be in fine shape on the grass. And, as I have said, I'm not so worried about Sinner going out to Bublik in Halle. Wimbledon is best of 5, and that means anyone has to take out a top player by winning 3 sets, which is a tough ask against these guys, these days.

With Novak, age is definitely an issue. And without even an exhibition to get his feet in the grass, HE is surely the most vulnerable to early upset, of the 3. It has been hot in London, but they keep those grass courts up nicely. They will be slippery the first week.
Yes I put my hand up and I am in agreeance!
 
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Well, I was taking issue with the idea that not thinking Novak is the 2nd favorite = bias. It is just a difference of view, and from what I've seen from Novak, he's no longer on the level of Alcaraz or Sinner. But I still see him as the 3rd favorite, and due to his ability and experience it wouldn't totally surprise me if he won. Being 3rd favorite (in my view) is hardly a knock on him, especially considering he's 38. But looking at his recent level, and his overall downturn in 2024-25, I just think he's a step behind the other two, 24 Slams or not.

And aside from your weird presumption ("more like feeling than processing data"), I don't have an emotional attachment to any particular result. In truth, I'd enjoy seeing Novak bring one more trophy, but in this case I just think his chances are a bit behind the "Dynamic Duo."
I think you addressed @PhiEaglesfan712 well, above. He's trying to say that "If you don't agree with me, you're just biased." I think basically everyone else has lampooned that a bit. You know I don't like Novak, but I do respect his tennis, and especially his tennis career. But I have a hard time rating his chances above the 24-year-old #1's. That's a pre-draw opinion, but it would take an awfully bad draw to move Sinner to 3rd place, I think.

And you're right...3rd favorite is not bad at all for an old geezer. He gets that BECAUSE of the respect. He has made the past 2 W finals, and he just made SFs in RG. He's still got chops, but we can't pretend we don't see the decline. It's a combo of physical and mental.
 
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Well my other unbiased opinion is that Novak is sprinkling goats blood on the tennis gods’ altar praying he ends up in Sasha’s quarter at W. ; )
 
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Well my other unbiased opinion is that Novak is sprinkling goats blood on the tennis gods’ altar praying he ends up in Sasha’s quarter at W. ; )

Either be in Sascha quarter or his half meeting Alcaraz early like he did "down under!" Ya just never know playing either Carlos or Jannik early might be better than in the final! I'm sorta concerned I've seen no effort in the Djokovic camp to get in any practice event on grass! :astonished-face::fearful-face::yawningface:
 

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Well my other unbiased opinion is that Novak is sprinkling goats blood on the tennis gods’ altar praying he ends up in Sasha’s quarter at W. ; )
Hehehe. It's a bit early, but let's reassess who is looking dangerous, for when the draw comes out. Obviously, Bublik, and Lehecka. And Medvedev is nominally back and ready for some grass play. Zverev can't get over the hump, but has made 2 grass finals in two weeks. He'll have his own quarter. Taylor Fritz won Stuttgart.
 
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