Whats wrong with Novak Djokovic? Former world No.1's fall explained after shock defeat to Denis Isto

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I repeat. Post your evidence. If you think that anyone on these forums is going to believe a statement from you without substantiation you're more deluded that I thought. Post the evidence please...
I believe in the person who has told me about it and I don't care if someone on these forum wants believe or not, it's not my problem and you seem to be too worry about that, remember, nobody is perfect :nono:
 
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I believe in the person who has told me about it and I don't care if someone on these forum wants believe or not, it's not my problem and you seem to be too worry about that, remember, nobody is perfect :nono:

Hahahaha! There we have it folks. Can't back it up...
 

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I believe in the person who has told me about it and I don't care if someone on these forum wants believe or not, it's not my problem and you seem to be too worry about that, remember, nobody is perfect :nono:

come on Carol, even you know that's beyond ridiculous. What's next? if your friend told you he is involved in inside betting too.....
 

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Hahahaha! There we have it folks. Can't back it up...

Maybe it is true... I just can't think of 9 MTOs of the top of my head. We had two at the AO. There was definitely one at Wimbey a few years ago... I thought it was the Benneteau match but it may have been Malisse. One of them anyway. There was one v Murray about 8 or 9 years ago, back spams... either the YEC or Shanghai... so it may just be true. Only need 5 more spanning nearly 20 years.

Either way, it's not like it's some sort of habit.
 

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come on Carol, even you know that's beyond ridiculous. What's next? if your friend told you he is involved in inside betting too.....
Wait, what's ridiculous for you? to say with a good knowledge that Roger has had 6 MTO before this AO (2) during his whole profesional live? is it a sin? what player has not done that? why anything about this player his fans are acting so (now is my turn to say) ridiculous. Do you like that I post a vid about how his was acting during his matches when he was younger? are you also thinking the ridiculous idea that he is mr. Perfect? come on, don't make me "cry" (laughing too much) what is wrong with you guys?
 

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I checked a bit and could only find 4, which in fact was the number I had in mind. So Carol missed only by two, which is not much, but (if that figure is correct) on the other hand is a 50% error. The problem, the way I see, as Ricardo pointed in other words, is that this is hearsay. If your saying that you can recall 8, fine, we could argue, but that is not the case.

By the way up to this AO he eventually lost all, or most, the matches in which he called for an MTO.

And I really would check on Nadal´s numbers. I would say that he has at least twice as MTO´s than Federer. Not that this make him guilty by itself, but the timing of some of those are an issue. But I honestly do not make such a big deal about it (with one or two exceptions).

By the way, in all matches this AO that Federer asked for an MTO, so did his adversaries.
 

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Maybe it is true... I just can't think of 9 MTOs of the top of my head. We had two at the AO. There was definitely one at Wimbey a few years ago... I thought it was the Benneteau match but it may have been Malisse. One of them anyway. There was one v Murray about 8 or 9 years ago, back spams... either the YEC or Shanghai... so it may just be true. Only need 5 more spanning nearly 20 years.

Either way, it's not like it's some sort of habit.

Maybe it is true... I just can't think of 9 MTOs of the top of my head. We had two at the AO. There was definitely one at Wimbey a few years ago... I thought it was the Benneteau match but it may have been Malisse. One of them anyway. There was one v Murray about 8 or 9 years ago, back spams... either the YEC or Shanghai... so it may just be true. Only need 5 more spanning nearly 20 years.

Either way, it's not like it's some sort of habit.

I don't really care so much about Roger's MTO's. I would like to see the evidence, I'm not just going to swallow stuff that Carol says, she has zero credibility with me as must of the stuff she says doesn't really make much sense. I've asked repeatedly for the evidence of Rafa's MTO's though. That I found surprising. As I said at some point... I'm happy to be surprised, but I would like to see the data.
 

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I don't really care so much about Roger's MTO's. I would like to see the evidence, I'm not just going to swallow stuff that Carol says, she has zero credibility with me as must of the stuff she says doesn't really make much sense. I've asked repeatedly for the evidence of Rafa's MTO's though. That I found surprising. As I said at some point... I'm happy to be surprised, but I would like to see the data.
And do you think you have some credibly with me when you repeatedly are saying that you are surprised with the 'only' 9 MTO of Rafa? 0 below 0, in what world are you living?
 

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I know English isn't your main language, but I bet you sound just as daft in your native tongue. What has credibility got to do with personal surprise at your 'facts'?

And... I'm living in a world where I have to put up with posters like you. Tragic really...
 

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I know English isn't your main language, but I bet you sound just as daft in your native tongue. What has credibility got to do with personal surprise at your 'facts'?

And... I'm living in a world where I have to put up with posters like you. Tragic really...

Thanks so much for that "nice complement" but unfortunately for you when I talk in my native language I sound very proper, perfect accent, and very educated but maybe my English (which everybody says when I'm talking it sounds very charming) it doesn't read so well when I have to respond that "kind" of posters like you, sorry
 

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Thanks so much for that "nice complement" but unfortunately for you when I talk in my native language I sound very proper, perfect accent, and very educated but maybe my English (which everybody says when I'm talking it sounds very charming) it doesn't read so well when I have to respond that "kind" of posters like you, sorry

If you say so...
 

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It is strangely comforting that Fedal Wars happen here, just like at TF. Of course it is interesting to note the common denominator at the heart of both frays...
 

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^Lol! I haven't been on that site in years, but I"m guessing I know what you mean! :lol6:
 

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According to some Serbian papers, Jelena's 2 months pregnant, if it's true....congrats to Nole and Jelena
 

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On other forum a poster said they heard the problem is chronic injury. It comes and goes.

I'm starting to believe this is the main reason for his poor performances since RG 2016

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according to El dud, he is close enough to his peak level. Must be that the players are all improving, and their levels have passed him by. Anything else is an excuse.
 

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a lot of talk about personal problems but to me it's just mental exhaustion. Novak's output in 2015 was insane and he won 4 straight slams through the French open 2016. Novak's 2015 season is IMO the best season of all time, eclipsing Federer's 05 and 06 seasons. He won 3 slams and like 6 masters (a record), including EOY cup. After winning 4 straight slams (something neither Fed nor Nadal ever did) i think he was just completely mentally exhausted and will need time to rest his body and mind. This is exactly what happened to Novak in 2012-13 after his incredible 2011 season, he crashed somewhat. It took Novak almost 2 years to recuperate his 2011 form and reclaimed his dominance in 14-16. Now it seems he will go way for 2017 and may reclaim #1 spot by end of 17 or 18. I believe all tennis players have a limited amount of top form output and they will be up and down. This is what has happened to Nadal too and what happened to Agassi. The only guys who have been able to sustain a top level for many years consecutively are Sampras and Fed and this is because of their fluid games with easy power and massive weapons. Players like Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Agassi simply cannot dominate for too long, their games are about running and winning long rallies... there comes a point where they crash for half a year to 1 year...
 

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a lot of talk about personal problems but to me it's just mental exhaustion. Novak's output in 2015 was insane and he won 4 straight slams through the French open 2016. Novak's 2015 season is IMO the best season of all time, eclipsing Federer's 05 and 06 seasons. He won 3 slams and like 6 masters (a record), including EOY cup. After winning 4 straight slams (something neither Fed nor Nadal ever did) i think he was just completely mentally exhausted and will need time to rest his body and mind. This is exactly what happened to Novak in 2012-13 after his incredible 2011 season, he crashed somewhat. It took Novak almost 2 years to recuperate his 2011 form and reclaimed his dominance in 14-16. Now it seems he will go way for 2017 and may reclaim #1 spot by end of 17 or 18. I believe all tennis players have a limited amount of top form output and they will be up and down. This is what has happened to Nadal too and what happened to Agassi. The only guys who have been able to sustain a top level for many years consecutively are Sampras and Fed and this is because of their fluid games with easy power and massive weapons. Players like Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Agassi simply cannot dominate for too long, their games are about running and winning long rallies... there comes a point where they crash for half a year to 1 year...

Good post Mike, pleased to see you around. Agree with most of it... think mental burnout is the primary factor but there has also been talk of an elbow problem that might be another contributory factor... + other stuff in his personal life over the last year. Still, it's hard to sustain that kind of level for long - drawing from the same well, over and over again... it's easy to understand how the guy at the top of the ladder slips a notch after a while. Even Murray, who's a slightly fortunate Number 1 IMO is feeling the effects after a short tenure.
 

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Good post Mike, pleased to see you around. Agree with most of it... think mental burnout is the primary factor but there has also been talk of an elbow problem that might be another contributory factor... + other stuff in his personal life over the last year. Still, it's hard to sustain that kind of level for long - drawing from the same well, over and over again... it's easy to understand how the guy at the top of the ladder slips a notch after a while. Even Murray, who's a slightly fortunate Number 1 IMO is feeling the effects after a short tenure.

the only baseliners who were able to maintain dominance for several years were Borg and Lendl but they played in an era where baseline points were less demanding due to racquet technology and facing many serve and volleyers. In today's game, a baseliner primarily faces other baselines and with the racquet technology, long rallies can be sustained over 5 sets. The type of tennis Novak, Nadal, Murray play is incredibly taxing on the body. Just look at how Novak plays, he runs all of the court defending, hitting off balance backhands and playing long points. It's simply way too taxing on the body to play this type of tennis when dominating like he did in 2011 and 2015.. Winning 3 slams, 5+ masters playing this type of tennis is not sustainable. Federer is a different player who has more weapons, plays shorter points and is more efficient with his strokes, he is like Sampras in this regard. Pete was able to sustain dominance for a long time due to his serve and ability to shorten points. There is a reason Agassi was up an down too, like Nadal, Murray and Novak, his game required longer rallies and too much physical output. Agassi, like Nole and Nadal, dominated in spurts, went away and came back. If these guys would've played in 70s-80s, they could've maintained the high level longer because they would've faced many S&Vers and points would've been less demanding, not the case today. I expect Nole to have an average 2017 and he may be back in top form by 2018 but his problem now is age...
 
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the only baseliners who were able to maintain dominance for several years were Borg and Lendl but they played in an era where baseline points were less demanding due to racquet technology and facing many serve and volleyers. In today's game, a baseliner primarily faces other baselines and with the racquet technology, long rallies can be sustained over 5 sets. The type of tennis Novak, Nadal, Murray play is incredibly taxing on the body. Just look at how Novak plays, he runs all of the court defending, hitting off balance backhands and playing long points. It's simply way too taxing on the body to play this type of tennis when dominating like he did in 2011 and 2015.. Winning 3 slams, 5+ masters playing this type of tennis is not sustainable. Federer is a different player who has more weapons, plays shorter points and is more efficient with his strokes, he is like Sampras in this regard. Pete was able to sustain dominance for a long time due to his serve and ability to shorten points. There is a reason Agassi was up an down too, like Nadal, Murray and Novak, his game required longer rallies and too much physical output. Agassi, like Nole and Nadal, dominated in spurts, went away and came back. If these guys would've played in 70s-80s, they could've maintained the high level longer because they would've faced many S&Vers and points would've been less demanding, not the case today. I expect Nole to have an average 2017 and he may be back in top form by 2018 but his problem now is age...

Yes I have to agree with this. I would also add that Novak's physic in many ways means that he's always been walking a tightrope. If injuries start to become a factor he could find it very hard to get back to the top. I hope that's not the case, but it's a risk.

Also, regarding the personal issues he mentioned. Has anyone seen the clip of his wife giving him a blast for not saying thank you for her filming him for his facebook fans? Wow! Sounds like she wears the pants in that relationship so maybe he has a bit of stress at home