It looks like the Trump/Russia love affair may be over. I think the ingrained history of opposition is too endemic to overcome in such a short space of time. Will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
YOU might be right about that, BRITBOX.
i hope its wrong -- as considering the implications -- real conflict that does no one good --
i personally WANT trump to at least have his chance to turn AWAY from what has been the real problem -- american IMPERIAL obsession with insisting ''OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY".
IT'S Done that with europe - it's doing that to britain, it's doing that o australia, it's doing that to canada -- all the ''FIVE EYES" COUNTRIES...
and if it does that TO them -- HOW much more to THE historical rivals china and russia that represent resistance to this self-appointed role as ''world's SOLE " leader?
do americans think this IS their ''world to shape?" they think russia -- is going to PERMIT itself to be be disrespected , at the very least, let alone allow itself to EVER again be treated by the USA the way it did in the 1990's when russia was so vulnerable and the plundering and pillaging with the traitors that enriched themselves is going to ever be allowed again?
same with china. why should china even PUT UP with americans proclaiming themselves as ''defenders of freedom of navigation" in a region that NEVER had real problems with their ''unspoken arrangements' - no matter how ''uncomfortable"
and behind all the '''pride" of claims -- have REAL priorities -- TRADE, COMMON PROJECTS -- and pretend like there are no ''cliams counterclaims" and save face -- and THAT'S what it has been for generations.
BUT ENTER uncle sam -- where he doesn't belong -- pushes teh former philippine adminsitration -- which everyone in the philippines always considered "TUTA NANG 'KANO" (america's puppet) -- to bring up something that even IF were china wrong --
DOESN'T need to be brought up as its NOT THAT important.
believe me - britbox- i AM filipino -- and i KNOW about these things more than westerner can undestand -- to US - it is NOT that important to have to bring up the matter of china's CLAIMS of owning most of south china sea --
and is more about leverage to get a better deal -- in what REALLY matters...
TRADE, COMMERCE, and not least -- partnerships and investments FROM china and other neighbors. THAT'S what it's about as far as ASIANS are concerned.
and it is NOT AMERICA'S BUSINESS to insert itself - in a neighborhood's business that NEVER had conflicts ''over the south china sea". OR if they had disagreements - ALWAYS found compromises and a kind of ''live and let live" attitude - THAT has always been the real way among the asians.
the philippines has OVERLAPPING claims with BRUNEI, WITH VIETNAM AND TAIWAN...AND INDONESIA...just as much as any country has with china and chian with any country.
so what is the BIG DEAL that the USA -- behind the philippines in the last adminstiratio making?
as an EXCUSE to insert ITSELF as a miltiary power HWERE IT DOES NOT EVEN ENJOY much of the 5 trillion trade BETWEEN those countries sailing in THAT sea...
JUST YESTERDAY -- DUTERTE came back from a long trip to several asian nations...
one of the main things arranged.
malaysia, indonesia, china, vietnam, brunei, philippines to coordinate ''counter terrorism and piracy" in the area , including the south china sea...
WHERE IN IT is the usa EVER needed - except as the ACTUAL THREAT to the nations with its meddlesome presence?
now that is PROOF that there is someone in this world that thinks "'we should write the rules" -- where it DOES NOT BELONG.
SO what IF CHINA WRITES the rules in the asia pacific region - SHE'S the middle kingdom -- everyone THERE depends on the chinese economy PERIOD!
SO what IF russia 'WRITES THE RULES' IN her Circle of influence and around HER borders? htat's HER neighborhood. IT'S RUSSIA'S energy everyone wants and needs...SHE calls the shots., PERIOD. considering she's actually bent over backwards supplying europe with resources europe actually can't afford if they didn't get so many concessions in pricing that they already enjoyed...
so what if IRAN ''WRITES THE RULES IN HER zone OF INFLUENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND SOUTH ASIA?
WHAT OF IT? that's NONE of the USA'S BUSINESS.
SO WHAT if EUROPE writes ITS own rules? is EUROPE A PROVINCE of america?
now -- put that together -- -- where is it written the USA is ''leader of europe".
leader of ''asia" , leader of south america, leader of the pacific, leader of africa
leader of the world where NOBODY ASKED HER. except in her own imagination?
the lunatics in the pentagon, cia, state department, congress, wall street, us chamber of commerce, NGOs, think tanks...etc. etc. etc.?
rolfmao.
it's NONE of the usa's business.
it's been exposed -- THE CIA had been spying and hcking on the ENTIRE frenchelections of 2012...but of course THAT TOO is PUTIN'S FAULT.
ah -- ya -- right.
AS FOR TRUMP -- DIDN'T THEY GET THE MEMO THAT LAVROV -- FOREIGN MINSTER HAD TO REPEAT LAST WEEK IN THE MUNICH SECURITY CONFERENCE
AGAIN -- after the US vice president proclaimed about russia having to ''do its part in fulfilling MINSK agreements on ukraine" -- even if the USA HAS NO PART IN IT , never was a signatory, UKRAINE is the one that VIOLATES IT -- ?
SINCE WHEN did a NON PARTICIPANT in an agreement put together by germany, france, ukraine and russia -- BECOME teh JUDGE of that agreement and who is violating (the WRONG country ) - ?
and as an attempt to what exctly? insist that the ''new america' is STILL the world's WRITER OF RULES?
they didn't get the memo -- TILLERSON, MATTIS, NATO , EU -- tht lavrov had to remind them -- right after VICE PRESIDENT PENCE'S proclamation "we are the TOP DOG ALWAYS" --
THAT ''we might remind and hope that our partners understand and recognize that not only is NATO a relic of the past to which they cling to
;;but that the world -- you can call it post-western world if you like -- has now moved beyond it ''.
if the USA and its european poodles REFUSE to accept that reality and think they CAN intimidate russia -- or even TRY to provoke or cause an incident that they can use to justify some kind of conflict -- they are out of their minds.
100 thousand more troops, - a million troops is not going to change russia's position -- that is - DEFENSE - PURE DEFENSE of her territory - PERIOD!! IT IS THEY with the USA pushing them -- that are LUSTING after RUSSIAN TERRITORY behind the exchuse of ''russian aggression and intentions to conquer us".
idiots -- as russia always has said
"what do we need latvia for? land? we have lots of land, what about germany? THEY NEED our resources - we dont' need THEIRS...POLAND? A FLAT LAND mostly not even good enough for agirculture OUR soil is BLACK EARTH -- THE RICHEST KIND -- what do we need ports in estonia for? we have laready moved trains and depots to st petersburg and it is our right to traverse the baltic sea like anybody else to trade with africa...
what do we need norway for? our arctic shores are the richest source of rich resources still to be tapped -- what do we need france or britain for? we can grow wine just as good in crimea , our tanks and planes and ships and missiles are better...we send satellites to space and NASA piggybacks on OUR rockets...
''we do not need to conquer them for land -- if we wanted -- we could have done it after we destroyed germany and already were fast on the way to brussels and copenhagen if we did not give in to the request of churchil and roosevelt to slow down so THEY could claim some kind of victory and territory to liberate..."
"what we are interested in - and lways have been is -- they lave us alone to rule ourselves as we see fit within our territory and our sphere of influence that is our historical and cultural ties..."
so -- USA -- and NATO want WAR with russia? or towards it by sanctions until russia kneels?
a single town they wipe out with some ''ccident" or a single square mile of territory they enter due to some ''incident' they want to provoke --
and they better PRAY russia or some general doesn't press upon putin or shoigu that
"we just have to teach them a lesson all over again ".
US SENATOR LINDSAY GRAHAM :
'WE HAVE TO MAKE 2017 THE YEAR OF KICKING RUSSIA'S ASS SOME MORE".
oh -- really.......?
the people of east ukraine-- have long demanded -- begged russia to please ''recognize our new passports as east ukrainians, donbass, lugansk republic,"...
russia has finally aggreed -- meaning -- they now are recognized as ''semi-russian citizens" accorded the rights and benefits of russians in the motherland...
so -- what is the USA nato kiev fascists that they installed going to do? ''enforce ukrainian unity" in east ukraine? it IS GONE -- IT JUST practically declared "we ARE GOING HOME to mother russia "
JUST LIKE CRIMEA...that is at the moment as we speak -- making arrangements in business and trade with VIETNAM far , far away...
it is SO OVER -- these ''AMERICAN LED" western world ''rules making" upon countries -- and expecting them -- ESPECIALLY russia or china or iran -- to BEND THE KNEE.
aint' gonna happen.
and they can thrown themselves at it - until they turn themselves into PULP as gooey as a rotten banana you throw against the wall.
and THAT'S even without russia pressing the button - should they ACTUALLY TRY to enter russia or harm any hair on a russia in her territory -- if russia so decides it is ENOUGH to press a button -- and WIPE them off the face of the map.
FIVE SECONs AFTER A MISSILE LAUNCH , ICBMS, etc..from homeland usa -- RUSSIA DETECTS IT --15 seconds after that RUSSIA completes the trajectory intended -- it takes that long to luanch the response...which can wipe out territory the size of texas of france..by a single missile. that is the FASTEST on the planet they might as well forget it...
ANY launch from berlin or poland, romania or bulgaria -- is met with at least 4 layers of defense they wil not even approach the borders...before they are destroyed...even if their intent is to reach moscow...
why would they provoke russia to that and potentially having allowed themselves to be sitting ducks because of american dictates t0 make russia 'kneel"> ?
sanctions?
the russians LOVE IT!!
AS theri farmers and producers and domestic industry re-emergence put it
"please -- please don't stop ". they REDISCOVERED they are the RICHEST NATION ON EARTH in resources!! to sell their products -- and there is great demand for it internally and externally.
europe -- uder american pressure continues to threaten ''we will stop buying russian energy? -- even if they DEPEND ON IT? what kind of schizophrenic nonsense is that? what russia loses in earning from THEM - WHILE THEY freeze --
russia already has teh altnernative in place - the even LARGER market of asia...
it is called "THE ASIA -PACIFIC ENERGY CIRCLE" -- all the way . lol. even japan is acting like a PUPPY now at the prospect of filling its hunger for russian energy and resources...russia is one of the five biggest producers of diamonds..
1/5 of the world's supply. they don't need europe - and can sell in beirty, seoul,shanghia, mumbai, sao paolo ..kuala lumpur and wherever they please.
it has surpasses the USA and canada as the biggest exporter of wheat and barley.
in only 5 years -- it becomes europe's LARGEST economy -- bigger than germany.
let's put in a a few words by PUTIN..
this was just a very recent revelation by an insider in the kremlin -- likely as an indirect and -- as typical of putin - and russia -- VERY polite message to the west and usa:
BACK IN -- 2013, 14? when those sanctions and attack on the ruble were hitting hard and russia still had to adjust -- --
one of the conspirators - being saudi arabia - after a ''visit by kerry" to riyadh - which everyone knows or ought to -- BACKFIRED...and will always backfire...
the notorious mastermind of the saudi policie of funding terrorists worldwide ...
SALMAN bin saud or something -- the ''defense' minister or something veryk, very powerful...
went to MOSCOW -- TO ENTICE PUTIN to agree to policies of washington, regarding syria, in particular -- and of course likely many other things "we are leaders you obey"
and he did it with TWO ''offerings"
to 'INVEST IN RUSSIA -- 500 BILLION DOLLARS worth "
AND couldnt resist the temptation or plan to also bring up a thinly veiled THREAT,,
THAT IF RUSSIA does NOT accept such a ''request" -- even with such a BRIBE which is what it amounted to --
''u know we are capable of keeping terrorism down "...as a CLEAR THREAT to unleash massive terrorism inside russia...especially during that SOCHI WINTER ILYMPICS that everye here might remember BILLIE JEAN KING was one of the american athletes grandstanding at the white house to ''boycott russia" blah, blah, blah..
THAT is well -known and well reported..
what was -- until only recently - NOT WELL-KNOWN
is what PUTIN said :
"that is a good offer of investments -- we will think about it of course...
now that you have said your offer-- LISTEN to what i will say ,,and listen well....
"if so much as a MATCH STICK flames up in sochi or anywhere in russia...i don't care who did it -- you will enjoy big briliant fireworks over riyadh and medina and more...".
WHERE IS THIS GRAND MASTER OF TERRORISM NOW?
he resigned from his post -- he is holed up in some small out of the way city somewhere in qatar or something...probably banished as his other family members realize NOT TO TAKE ON RUSSIA at ANYONE'S behest if they want to save their skin -- ............
lol.