Which tennis player you hate the most?

[Federberg]

I'll agree with you @britbox on one thing..
The constant victim mode from this woman is getting intolerable

 

[mrzz]

Where are the stabbers when we need them?

 

[Moxie]

There is a short one in the OP. But I can save you the effort, as I like to repeat it: Agassi and Hewitt.

Sorry..l did notice that.

That one you think you know was removed from the list of (active players) I hate. I decided I am a bigger man and that I forgive people. And the rumors that he bribed himself out of the list are completely false.

I do like the idea that you've been willing to forgive and move on. But how coincidental was it that you afforded a recent trip to NYC, hmm?

 

[Federberg]

Just watched the Swiatek antics at the net. She’s on my list

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Just watched the Swiatek antics at the net. She’s on my list

She has been on my list for sometime, not just at the net mind your she is a serial bathroom manipulator, makes her opponent who is trying to serve, wait with shadow boxing and shuffling at the back of the court, bad loser and cries when things dont go her way

 

[britbox]

I'm not a huge fan of Sabalenka either - serial excuse maker and loathe to credit her opponents.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I'm not a huge fan of Sabalenka either - serial excuse maker and loathe to credit her opponents.

Give me Saba over Swiatek any day at least she has a sense of humor, and if she dosent engage brain before opening her mouth does apologize,

 

[brokenshoelace]

Shapo because of his tantrum when he hit the umpire?

Oh I'd completely forgotten about that. Most players I dislike, it's generally cause I get the feeling I want to punch them in the face. Out of the ones I mentioned, I can only offer a rational explanation as to why I hate Kyrgios. The others, it's just finding them insanely annoying.

 

[britbox]

Oh I'd completely forgotten about that. Most players I dislike, it's generally cause I get the feeling I want to punch them in the face. Out of the ones I mentioned, I can only offer a rational explanation as to why I hate Kyrgios. The others, it's just finding them insanely annoying.

I noticed a lot of Nadal fans dislike Djokovic and Kyrgios... and Rosol (who you didn't mention)

 

[brokenshoelace]

I noticed a lot of Nadal fans dislike Djokovic and Kyrgios... and Rosol (who you didn't mention)

Rosol, I don't really care about, personally. Yeah he seems irritating and he's generally disliked by everyone. Andy Murray once told him as much on the court. But I don't know, he just wasn't relevant enough for me to dislike.

Djokovic, I mean yeah. He played him more than any other player and given how long, physical, grueling, emotional and important the matches were, it's hard not to be sick of him after a certain point. In my defense, I was a Novak hater super early on. I think it started at the Australian Open in 2008, which he won. His entire family seemed insanely obnoxious (and reading about them over the years, it's only reinforced this view), and then the way things progressed since made him a pretty easy hate.

Kyrgios, it really has nothing to do with Nadal. An overrated coward who hides behind the idea that he doesn't care just cause he's not good enough to be any decent at tennis for a sustained period of time. I absolutely despise how he played right into the whole "I don't care" shtick. It's one thing for fans to say this about a player. Guys like Nalbandian and Safin were often singled out under the "they don't care" crowd but rarely did they feed into it the way Kyrgios does. Not to mention both are far superior players who accomplished more. He talks waaaaay too much for someone who hasn't achieved shit, and has never backed anything up beyond the occasional big run, which almost never happened at a major. He lost every big match he ever played at a major since that Nadal win in 2014.

I also strongly dislike his game and think his point construction is laughably horrible. He's flashy, has an amazing serve and when he's on, however rare that was, can be a great shotmaker. But his deficiencies were glaring and he never improved, largely because he's not good enough, masked underneath the nonchalant gimmick which I'm amazed some actually fell for. He also has the tennis IQ of a twitter troll.

A domestic abuser, entitled brat who collapsed under the weight of minimal expectations (it's not like people thought he was the next coming of Federer) whose whole career felt like a downward spiral of his own doing, and the only reason he maintained relevance is his loud mouth and antics.

 

[mrzz]

Rosol, I don't really care about, personally. Yeah he seems irritating and he's generally disliked by everyone. Andy Murray once told him as much on the court. But I don't know, he just wasn't relevant enough for me to dislike.

Djokovic, I mean yeah. He played him more than any other player and given how long, physical, grueling, emotional and important the matches were, it's hard not to be sick of him after a certain point. In my defense, I was a Novak hater super early on. I think it started at the Australian Open in 2008, which he won. His entire family seemed insanely obnoxious (and reading about them over the years, it's only reinforced this view), and then the way things progressed since made him a pretty easy hate.

Kyrgios, it really has nothing to do with Nadal. An overrated coward who hides behind the idea that he doesn't care just cause he's not good enough to be any decent at tennis for a sustained period of time. I absolutely despise how he played right into the whole "I don't care" shtick. It's one thing for fans to say this about a player. Guys like Nalbandian and Safin were often singled out under the "they don't care" crowd but rarely did they feed into it the way Kyrgios does. Not to mention both are far superior players who accomplished more. He talks waaaaay too much for someone who hasn't achieved shit, and has never backed anything up beyond the occasional big run, which almost never happened at a major. He lost every big match he ever played at a major since that Nadal win in 2014.

I also strongly dislike his game and think his point construction is laughably horrible. He's flashy, has an amazing serve and when he's on, however rare that was, can be a great shotmaker. But his deficiencies were glaring and he never improved, largely because he's not good enough, masked underneath the nonchalant gimmick which I'm amazed some actually fell for. He also has the tennis IQ of a twitter troll.

A domestic abuser, entitled brat who collapsed under the weight of minimal expectations (it's not like people thought he was the next coming of Federer) whose whole career felt like a downward spiral of his own doing, and the only reason he maintained relevance is his loud mouth and antics.

We have basically the same opinion about Kyrgios. I only add that he is very "talented" to sell this (completely bogus) "I don't care" attitude, and also the "headcase" persona. For me, from day one, everything he does in court is meant to destabilize the opponent, and he is very effective at doing that.

I wouldn't put him in the "hate" category, although for a long while a had a tendency to "hate" players who I tought very extremely overrrated, and Kyrgios is surely one of them. Monfils was another. But then one day I realized those guys have no control if people overrate them or not, so I made a sincere effort not to care about that. But I still naturally root against those guys, if only for the overrraters to have to work harder in ther overreactions.

I hate overraters. I am a overhater.

 

[Moxie]

I noticed a lot of Nadal fans dislike Djokovic and Kyrgios... and Rosol (who you didn't mention)

Did anyone mention Rosol? I mean, who?! I also never think of Kyrgios in terms of Nadal anymore. But as for Djokovic, Federer fans should remember how much they disliked him, following Roger's lead, way back when his mother decided to declare "The king is dead," of Fed, and Roger even told them to shut up during a match, not long after. This is the period that @brokenshoelace (Good to see you, dude!) mentioned above, in 2008. Fed fans only made their uneasy peace in 2011, when Djokovic started doing to Nadal what Roger himself could not.

Anyway, as Broken said, and I did also, there are plenty of reasons to dislike Novak, and the list got updated already this AO: nearly smacking a ball kid because he refuses to control his emotions on court, which he's pretty arrogant about defending, despite the body count and near-misses.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Did anyone mention Rosol? I mean, who?! I also never think of Kyrgios in terms of Nadal anymore. But as for Djokovic, Federer fans should remember how much they disliked him, following Roger's lead, way back when his mother decided to declare "The king is dead," of Fed, and Roger even told them to shut up during a match, not long after. This is the period that @brokenshoelace (Good to see you, dude!) mentioned above, in 2008. Fed fans only made their uneasy peace in 2011, when Djokovic started doing to Nadal what Roger himself could not.

Anyway, as Broken said, and I did also, there are plenty of reasons to dislike Novak, and the list got updated already this AO: nearly smacking a ball kid because he refuses to control his emotions on court, which he's pretty arrogant about defending, despite the body count and near-misses.

Moxie

I was at the final of the AO final when Novak won, yes his mother did declare The King is Dead' after Novak won, his parents have been utterly obnoxious especially in Novaks early career. Also at RG 2008 when I attended live, his father was escorted out of Philippe Chatrier stadium when Rafa was playing Novak, he didnt like his son losing so started carrying on lol! he did the same at the AO in 2008 because he didnt want the many French fans near him and his wife,he left RLA for a little time and came back in, my husband and I were sitting a few rows behind Novaks parents at the AO in 2008, Peter said to me 'Like Father Like Son" lol! my husband cant stand Novak, he thinks his play is boring and robotic.I said to him seeing we are going to the AO today, Jannik might meet Novak in the SF, he said I hope he gives him a
beat down'
In regards to his near misses when his bad temper is on show, hitting that poor lineswoman in the throat at the USO and she had to go to hospital and he never went to a press conference he just left, Andy Roddick was talking about that on his podcast the other day, and said at least he should have shown up and apologize, that was a bad look. Again the other day he nearly missed a ball kid., the worst thing in my mind John Blom the umpire didnt even give him a warning? Unbelievable! at least this time he did turn up in his press conference and apologize for his near miss with the ball kid. Novak has all the tennis records, as far as sportsmanship he is not, how he lied and tried to cheat at the AO, when Melbourne was in lock down when COVID was around in 2022, karma prevailed and he was deported, that just showed everyone as far as I was concerned 'Tennis players are not above the law" and have to abide by national regulations, which he did not.
Also good to see Broken back I always love his posts over the years at TF,

 

[britbox]

Did anyone mention Rosol? I mean, who?! I also never think of Kyrgios in terms of Nadal anymore. But as for Djokovic, Federer fans should remember how much they disliked him, following Roger's lead, way back when his mother decided to declare "The king is dead," of Fed, and Roger even told them to shut up during a match, not long after. This is the period that @brokenshoelace (Good to see you, dude!) mentioned above, in 2008. Fed fans only made their uneasy peace in 2011, when Djokovic started doing to Nadal what Roger himself could not.

Anyway, as Broken said, and I did also, there are plenty of reasons to dislike Novak, and the list got updated already this AO: nearly smacking a ball kid because he refuses to control his emotions on court, which he's pretty arrogant about defending, despite the body count and near-misses.

Rosol has been mentioned plenty of times in the past across various tennis forums. This thread is in it's infancy.

 

[Moxie]

Rosol has been mentioned plenty of times in the past across various tennis forums. This thread is in it's infancy.

But let's face it...he's very old news. And you're the only one mentioning him here. You're just trying to see how long Nadal fans can hold a grudge.

Take Kyrgios. For me, I don't think much of a win over Nadal, and, frankly, I don't remember when it was. I remember that Nadal found him disrespectful, and tired of his on-court antics and behavior, but who doesn't? I enjoyed him for a while, and even hoped he'd find his way to making the best of his talents. He used to make me laugh, and sometimes gasp at his shot-making, but, like everyone, I tired of his schtick, and his more egregious behavior, on court and off of it. I don't hate the guy. He never loved tennis. And he has serious issues. I don't hate him, though. I hate the wasted potential, and the fact that he never took his career, or the sport, seriously.

As for Djokovic, sure part of it is that he had a lot of wins over Nadal, but that's the least of it, which I have explained.

I can't think of anyone I don't like because of some upset over Nadal. Like Shapovalov. I've tried to like him, too. But he's another wasted talent, also with a bad temper. One thing I dislike is players who waste their talents.

And speaking of squandered talents, Dimitrov is one I don't like. And there are moments when I tried. He was early to the entitlement party that Zverev and Tsitsipas spend too much time at. And now he's waited too late to get serious about his tennis.

Any player you "hate" just because, or mostly because he beat Roger? I mean, besides Nadal. (Kidding...I see that you've say you've mellowed on him a bit, at least since he's retired. But only a bit.)

This is a fun thread. Gets us back to the old Fedal Wars. It's definitely fun to work that muscle again, and otherwise generally work off some irritations at certain players.

 

[britbox]

You're just trying to see how long Nadal fans can hold a grudge.

and you picked him out immediately and started foaming at the mouth...

 

[Moxie]

and you picked him out immediately and started foaming at the mouth...

?

 

[mrzz]

He was early to the entitlement party that Zverev and Tsitsipas spend too much time at.

I never got that entitled vibe from Dimitrov. Surely other people kind of did it for him, but I never heard him saying the things those two you mentioned so often said. And not only that, the demeanor is different, at least to my eyes. Not saying he is or was the most humble guy in the world, but not the other way around either. Maybe even bellow average, for a guy that got into the top 10. Of course, maybe I just did not pay attention enough...

 

[Moxie]

I never got that entitled vibe from Dimitrov. Surely other people kind of did it for him, but I never heard him saying the things those two you mentioned so often said. And not only that, the demeanor is different, at least to my eyes. Not saying he is or was the most humble guy in the world, but not the other way around either. Maybe even bellow average, for a guy that got into the top 10. Of course, maybe I just did not pay attention enough...

Oh, yes, that's fair. Zverev and Tsitsipas have taken entitlement to another level. Dimitrov, being handed or saddled with the "baby Fed" moniker probably did him no favors. But it seemed that no amount of good coaching could entice him to work harder with his gifts. He seemed to like being the playboy and the extra curricular stuff more than the work. I thought Roger Rasheed was going to whip him into shape, but no. He's affable enough, but still I think he wasted his best years. I've seen the commitment in recent years, but too late to make a difference.

 

[britbox]

Rosol, I don't really care about, personally. Yeah he seems irritating and he's generally disliked by everyone. Andy Murray once told him as much on the court. But I don't know, he just wasn't relevant enough for me to dislike.

Djokovic, I mean yeah. He played him more than any other player and given how long, physical, grueling, emotional and important the matches were, it's hard not to be sick of him after a certain point. In my defense, I was a Novak hater super early on. I think it started at the Australian Open in 2008, which he won. His entire family seemed insanely obnoxious (and reading about them over the years, it's only reinforced this view), and then the way things progressed since made him a pretty easy hate.

Kyrgios, it really has nothing to do with Nadal. An overrated coward who hides behind the idea that he doesn't care just cause he's not good enough to be any decent at tennis for a sustained period of time. I absolutely despise how he played right into the whole "I don't care" shtick. It's one thing for fans to say this about a player. Guys like Nalbandian and Safin were often singled out under the "they don't care" crowd but rarely did they feed into it the way Kyrgios does. Not to mention both are far superior players who accomplished more. He talks waaaaay too much for someone who hasn't achieved shit, and has never backed anything up beyond the occasional big run, which almost never happened at a major. He lost every big match he ever played at a major since that Nadal win in 2014.

I also strongly dislike his game and think his point construction is laughably horrible. He's flashy, has an amazing serve and when he's on, however rare that was, can be a great shotmaker. But his deficiencies were glaring and he never improved, largely because he's not good enough, masked underneath the nonchalant gimmick which I'm amazed some actually fell for. He also has the tennis IQ of a twitter troll.

A domestic abuser, entitled brat who collapsed under the weight of minimal expectations (it's not like people thought he was the next coming of Federer) whose whole career felt like a downward spiral of his own doing, and the only reason he maintained relevance is his loud mouth and antics.

Regarding Kyrgios and "talent", I posted up an interview with Patrick Mouratoglou - I think he nailed the interpretation and how it works in practice - your comments immediately sprang to mind. About 35:30 in.

Serena Was an Underachiever, Djoker has no single outstanding weapon: Patrick Mouratoglou Interview.

In this video from the High Performance Youtube channel, Serena Williams' former coach Patrick Mouratoglou lays out his claim that greatness has more to do with mindset than talent. Along the way, he states Djokovic has no outstanding weapons,and that Serena was an underachiever. He also...

www.tennisfrontier.com