US Politics Thread

[PhiEaglesfan712]

I'm honestly shocked that Sherill won by that margin. All the vibes here in New Jersey felt like Ciatterelli was going to pull it off.

 

[Federberg]

I'm honestly shocked that Sherill won by that margin. All the vibes here in New Jersey felt like Ciatterelli was going to pull it off.

I'm hearing that Latinos, and young men swung hard for the Dems. I guess seeing guys in masks doing what they want wasn't the sort of immigration they were ok with. It'll be interesting to see how things go in the midterms. Bodes well, barring Dems shooting themselves in the foot, which is entirely possible

 

[Moxie]

I'm honestly shocked that Sherill won by that margin. All the vibes here in New Jersey felt like Ciatterelli was going to pull it off.

Polls were close towards the end, but Sherill pretty much always led. She won on affordability, and Citarelli was probably too close to Trump for the liking of most New Jerseyans.

 

[Moxie]

I'm hearing that Latinos, and young men swung hard for the Dems. I guess seeing guys in masks doing what they want wasn't the sort of immigration they were ok with. It'll be interesting to see how things go in the midterms. Bodes well, barring Dems shooting themselves in the foot, which is entirely possible

Also in NYC. There was a not inconsiderable number of voters who went Trump last year and Mamdani this year. I basically give no credit to the Democratic Party for the successes of Tuesday. Sherill, Mamdani and Spanberger (Gov. VA) were strong candidates who focused on affordability/economic disparity. With hopeful messages. The Dems are getting their playbook, if they pay attention.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Upstate NY city one-ups Zohran Mamdani by electing Communist student, 20

The inexperienced radical — who was pictured with a cutout of Mamdani — was the youngest DSA-endorsed candidate to be elected in the party’s history.

nypost.com

Hannah Shvets, 20, a student organizer and member of the Communist Party USA, was elected to the Ithaca Common Council on Thursday in the Democratic stronghold's Fifth Ward, which covers the western half of Cornell University's campus in the city.

 

[Kieran]

Upstate NY city one-ups Zohran Mamdani by electing Communist student, 20

The inexperienced radical — who was pictured with a cutout of Mamdani — was the youngest DSA-endorsed candidate to be elected in the party’s history.

nypost.com

Hannah Shvets, 20, a student organizer and member of the Communist Party USA, was elected to the Ithaca Common Council on Thursday in the Democratic stronghold's Fifth Ward, which covers the western half of Cornell University's campus in the city.

America is flirting with disaster. Some people never learn..

 

[Federberg]

America is flirting with disaster. Some people never learn..

nah... these are Dem strongholds. It's a good thing. Let them get elected, and advertise the stupidity of communism for the rest of America. They'll be the ones that save America from madness

 

[Kieran]

nah... these are Dem strongholds. It's a good thing. Let them get elected, and advertise the stupidity of communism for the rest of America. They'll be the ones that save America from madness

Good plan!!

But why do these people think that socialism/communism is a good idea? Do they not read history? Or do they read history and still think, good, that level of envious spite is deserved by America?

 

[Federberg]

Dems better watch this carefully. This will continue to be a vulnerability in purple states - not saying this played out in one (for the anally retentive) - but the dismissiveness of the politician is what most people hate

 

[Kieran]

Dems better watch this carefully. This will continue to be a vulnerability in purple states - not saying this played out in one (for the anally retentive) - but the dismissiveness of the politician is what most people hate

Yeah this is an issue. Does anyone really believe that a trans-woman is a real woman? It’s impossible to, and especially in this case where the woman was attacked by a testosteronal bloke who’s a domestic abuser.

Slightly heartening on this, if you go onto Golds Gym insta page, it doesn’t matter what the post is, they’re crowd bombed with people demanding that they keep women safe.

Eventually they put up a disclaimer saying they don’t run those gyms, it’s another group, EOSFITNESS, and when you go there it’s the same. People angry that women aren’t safe, so that gives me hope that the silent majority are screaming, instead of the usual know nothing virtue signalling halfwitted trolls..

 

[Federberg]

Yeah this is an issue. Does anyone really believe that a trans-woman is a real woman? It’s impossible to, and especially in this case where the woman was attacked by a testosteronal bloke who’s a domestic abuser.

Slightly heartening on this, if you go onto Golds Gym insta page, it doesn’t matter what the post is, they’re crowd bombed with people demanding that they keep women safe.

Eventually they put up a disclaimer saying they don’t run those gyms, it’s another group, EOSFITNESS, and when you go there it’s the same. People angry that women aren’t safe, so that gives me hope that the silent majority are screaming, instead of the usual know nothing virtue signalling halfwitted trolls..

I hear you, but that's not even my point. I'm looking specifically at the politician. The unwillingness to hear their constituents concerns. They're playing to their bubble and completely ignoring what Trump has shown is the majority. Whether another Republican can exploit these cultural issues quite like Trump is of course open to question, but the point is.. it's a serious vulnerability. These Dems need to stop with the moral superiority. Trump is a warning. He can claim Haitians are eating dogs and cats and people would still rather vote for him than them. That's a PROBLEM.


And yes I know inflation was a major issue, and I think it's likely to remain one. But still.... Dems need to fix their vulnerabilities if they're going to take advantage of the opportunity. I think they're set in 2026, my point is about 2028

 

[Kieran]

I hear you, but that's not even my point. I'm looking specifically at the politician. The unwillingness to hear their constituents concerns. They're playing to their bubble and completely ignoring what Trump has shown is the majority. Whether another Republican can exploit these cultural issues quite like Trump is of course open to question, but the point is.. it's a serious vulnerability. These Dems need to stop with the moral superiority. Trump is a warning. He can claim Haitians are eating dogs and cats and people would still rather vote for him than them. That's a PROBLEM.


And yes I know inflation was a major issue, and I think it's likely to remain one. But still.... Dems need to fix their vulnerabilities if they're going to take advantage of the opportunity. I think they're set in 2026, my point is about 2028

They’re trending further away from sanity, if anything. They’re like, if we just keep hitting them harder with these awful ideas, eventually they’ll all capitulate.

New York just elected the kind of candidate that trampled their 9/11 Never Forget pledge in the dust…

 

[Federberg]

They’re trending further away from sanity, if anything. They’re like, if we just keep hitting them harder with these awful ideas, eventually they’ll all capitulate.

New York just elected the kind of candidate that trampled their 9/11 Never Forget pledge in the dust…

That's true. But I think the Virginia and New Jersey gubernatorial wins have more relevant. New York mayoral elections are only really relevant if the other side wins. It's like a Dem winning in Alabama. That would be shocking and a major national warning. But for sure if Mamdani does things that bring him to the national public in a bad way then that's bad for Dems. I actually like Joe Scarborough's take on the recent elections. Dems have the advantage now because they've been able to frame it not just as a cost of living issue but also the fact that Republicans are trying to cut healthcare. If they can maintain that framing, it'll be like in the Biden term where the inflation issue and the trans/culture issues won the day

 

[Moxie]

America is flirting with disaster. Some people never learn..

No, actually America elected disaster last year. I don't understand how you're not terrified by what Trump and his people are up to, compared to, say, a young woman elected to the Ithaca Common Council. Even I don't know what that is, it's so small. This is meaningless, to you, and to the rest of the country. Focus on the bigger problems.

 

[Moxie]

Dems better watch this carefully. This will continue to be a vulnerability in purple states - not saying this played out in one (for the anally retentive) - but the dismissiveness of the politician is what most people hate

I think you missed what the last election was about. Cultural issues are not winning the day. I thought this was exactly what you didn't want the Dems to focus on.

 

[Moxie]

I hear you, but that's not even my point. I'm looking specifically at the politician. The unwillingness to hear their constituents concerns. They're playing to their bubble and completely ignoring what Trump has shown is the majority. Whether another Republican can exploit these cultural issues quite like Trump is of course open to question, but the point is.. it's a serious vulnerability. These Dems need to stop with the moral superiority. Trump is a warning. He can claim Haitians are eating dogs and cats and people would still rather vote for him than them. That's a PROBLEM.


And yes I know inflation was a major issue, and I think it's likely to remain one. But still.... Dems need to fix their vulnerabilities if they're going to take advantage of the opportunity. I think they're set in 2026, my point is about 2028

I disagree, and I think you do. If we keep playing into the hands of the culture wars, we lose. It's not even the question. As evidenced by the recent elections. No one is interested in the culture wars now. It's the economy, stupid! (As George HW said.) And an optimistic message.

 

[Kieran]

No, actually America elected disaster last year. I don't understand how you're not terrified by what Trump and his people are up to, compared to, say, a young woman elected to the Ithaca Common Council. Even I don't know what that is, it's so small. This is meaningless, to you, and to the rest of the country. Focus on the bigger problems.

Then the democrats should have put forward a candidate, instead of lying to your country that Biden was fit to continue. Obama telling black man that if they didn’t vote for Harris then they must have a problem with women, knowing she wasn’t fit to be president, himself. Why the Democrats thought, “anyway you should still vote for her” was a good slogan for a candidate who was a walking meme, I don’t know, but you ended up handing the presidency to Trump.

I’m more worried about communism and socialism, and that there’s a growing number of people in your country who actually think they’re a good idea. These ideas are like woodworm. They don’t work but they come with the false impression that they’re both compassionate and in favour of creating equality and helping the less well off.

In reality, they bring the opposite to this.

They also come with inbuilt excuses for their failure, and violent retribution for anyone who disagrees. Communism and socialism always lead to poverty, violence and tyranny..

 

[Federberg]

I disagree, and I think you do. If we keep playing into the hands of the culture wars, we lose. It's not even the question. As evidenced by the recent elections. No one is interested in the culture wars now. It's the economy, stupid! (As George HW said.) And an optimistic message.

lol! You think I do. What I think is, Dems need to not allow stuff like this to be an issue... at all! Be the true liberals that at one time Democrats were. Not trying to impose behaviours and values on other people. Focus on the pocket book issues that the average Americans are concerned about. Create policies that benefit the lives of the youth. If progressives do everything else, but keep coddling trans activists, feminist nut jobs, BLM fraudsters with nonsense like DEI, then large segments of Dem core voters will feel alienated by them. That's my point

 

[Federberg]

Thoughts?

 

[Moxie]

Then the democrats should have put forward a candidate, instead of lying to your country that Biden was fit to continue. Obama telling black man that if they didn’t vote for Harris then they must have a problem with women, knowing she wasn’t fit to be president, himself. Why the Democrats thought, “anyway you should still vote for her” was a good slogan for a candidate who was a walking meme, I don’t know, but you ended up handing the presidency to Trump.

So, you're going to blame the Democrats for the authoritarian regime that we're getting under Trump? That seems like an awful reach, don't you think? Either you call them out, or you don't, but don't blame the Dems.

I’m more worried about communism and socialism, and that there’s a growing number of people in your country who actually think they’re a good idea. These ideas are like woodworm. They don’t work but they come with the false impression that they’re both compassionate and in favour of creating equality and helping the less well off.

In reality, they bring the opposite to this.

They also come with inbuilt excuses for their failure, and violent retribution for anyone who disagrees. Communism and socialism always lead to poverty, violence and tyranny..

You're following in a long tradition of the West being on the wrong side of history by accepting the fascism at hand based on a vague fear of socialism or communism on the part of those fighting the authoritarians and dictators: Spain in the 1930s. The CIA helping to install Pinochet in the 1970s. Even when the Italians surrendered to the Allies, and their resistance was fighting bravely for their freedom, the Allies were suspicious of them due to their far left leanings. Of course the far right drove them to the far left...it's the way things often work in politics. But then Italy had a perfectly integrated Communist party for many decades, and Italy didn't become Communist. And Socialism, as we well know can work quite well in a capitalist society. It helps balance a certain wealth inequality by just caring for others in the way that a civilized society should. Not every strand of socialism leads to the old Soviet Union, or Maoism.

Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for nearly 20 years and he hasn't turned the country socialist. Hell, he hasn't even turned Vermont socialist.