SINCE WHEN HAS THE USA ACTUALLY RESPECTED THE WORLD?

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Pentagon is 'Actually Training Islamist Militants' in Syria
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The Pentagon has admitted that itâ€™s currently training Syrian rebels. The US Army Colonel Steve Warren told journalists on Friday that â€˜dozens of people are now being trainedâ€™, without disclosing any additional details.

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US to Train, Equip Individual Troops in Syria Instead of Entire Units
However, US officials told Reuters on condition of anonymity that the training takes place in Turkey.
The latest effort comes as a revamp of the Pentagonâ€™s previous multimillion dollar program aimed at training and arming thousands of Syrian rebels to fight the Islamic State jihadists.

However, the initial plan ended in a major scandal, after it was revealed that only a handful of trainees were left in the end.

Radio Sputnik discussed the latest revelations with Middle East analyst and Editor of Politics First magazine Marcus Papadopoulos.

â€œEver since the end of 2011 beginning of 2012 when the West really began to intervene in Syria, the West has projected this idea to the world that honorable America is training and arming freedom fighters in Syria,â€ the analyst said.

â€œThe reality is that America is not honorable and that the people who the Americans have been training for the last five years in Syria are not freedom fighters, they are not rebels. They are militants. They are Islamist militants. They are terrorists. These are the people who have been carrying out some of the most heinous crimes imaginable not just against Sunnis in Syria but also against Shia, Alawites, Jews and Christians.â€

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He further spoke about how the US has a long history of working with Islamists. He gave examples of Afghanistan and Bosnia and how the US had contact with Osama bin Laden.
Talking about Syria, Warren said that the US has not renounced its objective of overthrowing the Syria government. Similarly the US has not told Turkey to close its border with Syria although Turkey is a strong US ally.

â€œAmerican strategy in Syria is a total and utter mess, it is completely chaotic. They have an openly stated objective which is the overthrow of President Assad and the Syrian government. That of course contravenes UN charter and the International law but since when have the Americans been genuinely committed to international law and the UN charter,â€ the analyst said.

He further spoke about the different branches of the American government and how they have been supporting various groups in Syria and how all those groups have one thing in common. And that is that all of them are Islamist terrorist groups.

The analyst also said that these weapons that are being used in Syria right now can later on be used against the Americans themselves.

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teddytennisfan · Apr 7, 2016

yet another example of the ROGUE TERRORIST EMPIRE USA calling itself

"exceptional" --- in kidnapping, torturing, committing global acts of genocide, crimes against countries and cultures -- in order to preserve its "'leadership"

that -- really -- NO ONE WANTS -- except in the ADDLED MINDS of americans .........

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US flouts international law & Interpol protocols, says father of abducted Russian suspect
Published time: 7 Apr, 2016 10:25

Undated family photo taken in Sochi shows Roman Seleznev (C), the son of a Russian lawmaker from the Liberal-Democratic Party (LDPR), posing with his partner Anna Otisko (R) and their daughter. Â© AFP
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Russian MP Valery Selesnyov has said that the detention of his son by US special services violated not only the extradition agreement between Moscow and Washington but also the basic rules of Interpol.
â€œThe United States have considerably devalued international institutions. Americans insist that they have some exclusive right to put their domestic laws over the international ones. And they ignore organizations like Interpol,â€ Seleznyov said in an interview with Izvestia daily.

â€œThe grounds for my sonâ€™s detention have been presented as Interpolâ€™s Red Notice, but the Russian branch of this organization knew nothing about any Red Notice issued on a Russian citizenâ€™s name and therefore they simply ignored us as members of this international organization,â€ he added.

READ MORE: Russiaâ€™s Foreign Ministry urges US â€˜to stop harassing kidnapped Russian MPâ€™s sonâ€™

The lawmaker said that the US prosecution had started to use tactics aimed at exhausting the suspect and decided to press additional charges in order to postpone the date of verdict, currently scheduled for May 9.

â€œThe prosecutors have understood that the whole array of charges presented by them would obviously be destroyed by the defenseâ€™s arguments. They decided to collect some additional data and it will require more time to study it, which means that the court session will be postponed yet another time. This is the US Justiceâ€™s objective â€“ they use the exhaustion tactics. My son has already spent two years in pre-trial custody and any man can get desperate when his future is uncertain,â€ Seleznyov told reporters.
He added that it was difficult to foresee what the sentence could be because the whole process is extremely politicized.

Valery Selesnyovâ€™s son Roman was detained in July 2014 in the Maldives and immediately transported to the US territory of Guam, where he was officially charged on over 40 counts including identity theft, bank fraud, illegally accessing information on protected computers, and trafficking in unauthorized access devices. If convicted, he could face up to 30 years in prison.

The Russian Foreign Ministry has issued a statement calling the operation to detain Roman Seleznyov and take him to the US soil â€œa literal kidnapping and flagrant violation of the laws of any civilized state as well as international law.â€

READ MORE: â€˜US hunts for Russiansâ€™: Moscow warns citizens traveling abroad

Russian diplomats pointed out that Roman Seleznyov was seriously injured in a terrorist attack in Morocco in 2011 and the conditions that he was being kept in did not allow for proper medical treatment. The Russian side warned that as a result his health and even his life are in danger.

The ministry noted that Seleznyovâ€™s abduction was very similar to the cases of Viktor Bout and Konstantin Yaroshenko, who were also forced to go to the US from third countries and convicted on dubious charges.

britbox · Apr 7, 2016

Bit of a one-eyed viewpoint teddy.

There are usually many dimensions to consider and most governments are generally pushing forward their own agendas... simplifying everything to be America=Evil Russia=Alice in Wonderland doesn't ring true. Yes, the US have made a LOT of mistakes with foreign policy... but don't forget Russian tanks rolling into countries on their borders during the 80s either.

I've got respect for Putin on various levels, but he isn't Mother Theresa either.

teddytennisfan · Apr 7, 2016

britbox said:
Bit of a one-eyed viewpoint teddy.

There are usually many dimensions to consider and most governments are generally pushing forward their own agendas... simplifying everything to be America=Evil Russia=Alice in Wonderland doesn't ring true. Yes, the US have made a LOT of mistakes with foreign policy... but don't forget Russian tanks rolling into countries on their borders during the 80s either.

I've got respect for Putin on various levels, but he isn't Mother Theresa either.

CALL IT what you want..

but if you really want "'one-eyed" view...

TAHT VERY PRECISE "'RUSSIA IS AGGRESSIVE AND EXPANDING" AS if

it actually IS -- IS the great example.

another -- you cite '"ussr" days ''tanks rolling into eastern europe"

WELL -- TODAY they ARE NOT.

IT'S THE USA /NATO -- based oN FICTIONAL ''russian aggression"

that have VIOLATED treaties and moved towards RUSSIA'S very doorstep when they were NOT SUPPOSED TO -- as their obligation as RUSSIA FULFILLED HER obligation:

dismantle WARSAW PACT - REMOVE HER TANKS, tha tyou love to cite that is NO LONGER THE CASE,.

BUT THE REALITY IS -- IT IS NATO THAT IS VIOLATING .

SO -- who of us is being 'one-eyed"?

it's you - not me.

you try to equate what USSR DID

with what russia "might" or might not do -- and with what NATO screams abouti as russian aggression

when in fact -- practically EVERY SINGLE decision by russia has been a PURELY DEFENSIVE ONE

due to the decades of NATO AGGRESSION AND VIOLATIONS OF the treaties.

it is NATO that is ENCIRCLING RUSSIA

NOT russia ''putting tanks in europe|" which IS USED AS THE JUSTIFICATION

FOR ENCIRCLNG RUSSA,

THE TYPICAL psychological "PROJECTION"

ACCUSING A TARGET OF COMMITTING WHAT ONE IS COMMITTING ALREADY!

teddytennisfan · Apr 7, 2016

FURTHER EXAMPLE:

USA/NATO?EU

continue to play the words

"russia ANNEXED CRIMEA"

with the IMPLICATION OF ILLEGALITY

AS IF CRIMEA WAS NOT RUSSIAN TO BEGIN WITH in which the RETURN HOME as asked by the crimeans themselves -- which NO PROPER global election monitors could refute - despit eALL the media lies by YOUR BBC, GUARDIAN NY TIMES, ETC...--

and was nothing less than A CORRECTION of a purely administrative matter between russia and ukraine under the USSR...TO make it easier to administer A RUSSIAN PROVINCE OF CRIMEA under NEARBY kiev...

and yet because of THAT -- A PROPER HOMECOMING OF RUSSIANS TO THEIR COUNTRY TO WHICH CRIMEA BELONGED SINCE THE USA WAS JUST A BABY...

WAS USED BY THE USA/NATO /EU for sanctions as ''against russian aggression"

when THEIR SCHEME TO GRAB CRIMEA and its all important naval base OF RUSSIA SINCE CATHERINE THE GREAT --

FAILED despite THEIR CRIMINALITY in destroying what is NOW

THE FAILED STATE OF UKRAINE!

between us -- it's NOT me that's one-eyed - Britbox.

it's You.. most of you here.

that's why I haev so much fun shwoing all of you up

even if YOU can't admit it for real, lol.

britbox · Apr 7, 2016

You're debating as if everything is black and white. I have no problem with Russia annexing Crimea... it was for all intents and purposes Russian. I don't think the US should have stirred up issues in the Ukraine or Syria... but then you'll offer a history lesson going back years and absolve Russia from any overreaching because it was the "USSR"... which by default was governed by Russia.

... and yes, Nato shouldn't be encircling Russia, it should acknowledge a buffer zone of Russian interests... but on the same note, you're saying Putin is involved in Syria because he's a nice bloke and wants to help poor Syrians. Get real my friend... The Russians are in Syria because it serves their interests as an energy provider... and the Americans, Saudis, Turks et al are in Syria because they want to bypass Russian energy and build pipelines through it.... curtailing Russia's biggest export. Putin isn't mother theresa, he's a strong man serving Russian interests (largely what he's supposed to do)... and Russian interests mean supporting big Russian businesses, much like the Americans go to bat for their big corporates. Geopolitics at it's best. The welfare of people is never on the agenda... so let's not pretend it's that way with the Russians either.

teddytennisfan · Apr 7, 2016

oh

by the way -- CRIMEA?

THANK GOODNESS RUSSIA TOOK BACK HER PEOPLE AND HER LAND -- CRIMEA -- which should NEVER have been put by KRUSCHEV (Who had a ukrainian wife ) - for administrative purposes - although it is clear for such a large USSR -- it probably had to be done under the circumstances.

but that DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT that CRIMEA IS AND WAS RUSSIAN

and was NOT ''ANNEXED" but RETURNED HOME

as they crimeans truly feared for their very lives from the KIEV FASCISTS THAT \
\
\YOUR ' civilized " west behind the leadership of BARACK'S EMPIRE

INSTALLED through their NULAND-INSTIGATED "'color revolution for democracy and to reform ukraine from corrupt yanukovic"

because YANUKOVIC -- after SEENG THE DETAILS of the ''economic deals"

the USA, EU, BRUSSELS, IMF demanded -- KNEW that they were going to CARVE UP UKRAINE INTO PIECES FOR ''Western management"

and everyone in the WORLD outside of the EU AND USA -- KNOWS WHAT THAT IS
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PLUNDER AND PILLAGE of entire countries! by the ''civilized west".

lol!

and THAT'S why they sent n NULAND with her chocolate chip cookies to EGG ON THE FASCISTS who NOW RULE UKRAINE!

THAT'S YOUR GLORIOUS \'\''western accomplishments"

Britbox...or at least YOUR leaders'!

lol.

RUSSIA SIMPLY PUT HER FOOT DOWN

AND SAID |"THIS IS THE RED LINE -- YOU WILL NOT CROSS OVER TO THE EAST ukraine or destroy OUR CRIMEA!"

result TODAY?
HECK

THE VERY BEAUTIFUL -- HISTORIC, TRADITIONAL

RUSSIAN ''pearl of the black sea" -- crimea

ENJOYS PEACE, CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT -=- RAISED WAGES AND STANDARD OF LIVING

as of 2 weeks ago =- after russia COMPLETED the SWIFT constriuction of the BRIDGE TO SUPPLY crimea wth energy , electrcity and commerce --

is a PEACEFUL -- FAST DEVELOPING BEAUTY OF A RUSSIAN PEARL!

LOL!

with PLENTY of countries LINING UP to make iinvestments

not least the ITALIANS WHO ARE SO SICK AND TIRED

OF THE UK/USA -- north/western

policies that HARM all economies!

lol.

BUT HEY -- i make my statements

years later -- i always -- ALWAYS am the RIGHT ONE.....lol.

but hey -- just watch -- give it -- uh -- a YEAR AT MOST.

I WILL ALREADY ANNOUNCE IT HERE -- another prediction that will be true soon enough...

WATCH as RUSSIA AND CHINA, soon followed and joined by PERSIA - AND MANY MORE -- set up the GOLD RESERVES BANK AND EXCHANGE

AND DEMAND THE USA SHOW its ''rumored" - ''claimed" 8,000 tonnes that DO NOT EXIST...

and see how THAT turns out....

lol.

PREPARE THYSELVES for the eventual IMPLOSION of the USA ROGUE EMPIRE FLOATING ON ITS PHANTOM WEALTH \\SUPER DUPER PETRO D0LLAR....

teddytennisfan · Apr 7, 2016

britbox said:
You're debating as if everything is black and white. I have no problem with Russia annexing Crimea... it was for all intents and purposes Russian. I don't think the US should have stirred up issues in the Ukraine or Syria... but then you'll offer a history lesson going back years and absolve Russia from any overreaching because it was the "USSR"... which by default was governed by Russia.

... and yes, Nato shouldn't be encircling Russia, it should acknowledge a buffer zone of Russian interests... but on the same note, you're saying Putin is involved in Syria because he's a nice bloke and wants to help poor Syrians. Get real my friend... The Russians are in Syria because it serves their interests as an energy provider... and the Americans, Saudis, Turks et al are in Syria because they want to bypass Russian energy and build pipelines through it.... curtailing Russia's biggest export. Putin isn't mother theresa, he's a strong man serving Russian interests (largely what he's supposed to do)... and Russian interests mean supporting big Russian businesses, much like the Americans go to bat for their big corporates. Geopolitics at it's best. The welfare of people is never on the agenda... so let's not pretend it's that way with the Russians either.

NO I AM DEBATING THINGS THAT

ARE

black and white ...to EXPOSE what black and white is in the PROPER arrangement.

that it IS NATO-USA that ARE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN the aggressors

NOT RUSSIA.

YOU are trying to DIFFUSE IT INTO ''grey areas"

no -- there is CLARITY HERE.

NATO/USA VIOLATED treaties! period!

RUSSIA HAS FOR NOT A SINGLE INSTANT SINCE THE 2000'S AT LEAS T

BUT EVEN THROUGH THE 1990'S -- even in her weakened position --

honored

HONORED the treaties.

so please do not try to muddle this by talking about ''grey areas" and ''not all is black and white"

there are times and isntances when it is NIGHT AND DAY

AND NOT DUSK OR DAWN.

IT IS NATO/USA that engaged in CRIMINAL , ILLEGAL REGIME CHANGE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY - not just ukraine.

NOT russia.

it is NATO/USA EU - UK, WEST

THAT ENGAGED IN ENABLING ISIL AND TERRORISTS

NOT RUSSIA

it is NATO/USA,/EU/UK that engaged in MALICIOUS SANCTIONS
\'TO make russia's economy in tatters" because RUSSIA REFUSES TO return to the good OLD DAYS OF THE 1990'S UNDER YELTSIN

when BRITISH PETROLEUM EXXON,CHEVRON

WESTERN CORPORATIONS could PLUNDER RUSSIA to their heart's content.

it is NTO russia that has placed ARMS AND MISSILES

RIGHT OUTSIDE NEW YORK CITY OR NEAR YOUR THAMES ...

BLACK AND WHITE?

YOU BET!

teddytennisfan · Apr 7, 2016

britbox said:
You're debating as if everything is black and white. I have no problem with Russia annexing Crimea... it was for all intents and purposes Russian. I don't think the US should have stirred up issues in the Ukraine or Syria... but then you'll offer a history lesson going back years and absolve Russia from any overreaching because it was the "USSR"... which by default was governed by Russia.

... and yes, Nato shouldn't be encircling Russia, it should acknowledge a buffer zone of Russian interests... but on the same note, you're saying Putin is involved in Syria because he's a nice bloke and wants to help poor Syrians. Get real my friend... The Russians are in Syria because it serves their interests as an energy provider... and the Americans, Saudis, Turks et al are in Syria because they want to bypass Russian energy and build pipelines through it.... curtailing Russia's biggest export. Putin isn't mother theresa, he's a strong man serving Russian interests (largely what he's supposed to do)... and Russian interests mean supporting big Russian businesses, much like the Americans go to bat for their big corporates. Geopolitics at it's best. The welfare of people is never on the agenda... so let's not pretend it's that way with the Russians either.

THAT'S ALL VERY NICE TALKING ABOUT ''interests"

and well and good.

except for one thing

teh OIL AND GAS that russia has interests in - inclouding transport and sales to EUROPE

ARE RUSSIA'S NATURAL RIGHT BECAUSE RUSSIA HAS FAR, FAR OLDER RELATIONS AND NATURAL relations with

ALL OF EURASIA.

THE UK AND USA are outlyers who dont BELONG or OWN

any of the resources of the great landmass of eurasia .

the business interests of russia are not different from that of azerbaijan or iran or china or korea or france -- all within the same landmass ...

teh

THE USA AND UK

ARE INVADERS AND OCCUPIERS AND OPPORTUNISTS IN LANDS AND RESOURCES THEY ARE NOT PART OF .

END OF STORY.

britbox · Apr 7, 2016

Ok, so the invasion of the Czechoslovakia to prevent reforms wasn't Russian aggression?

britbox · Apr 7, 2016

Read up on the Brezhnev Doctrine before you respond.

teddytennisfan · Apr 8, 2016

britbox said:
Read up on the Brezhnev Doctrine before you respond.

READ UP ON BRZEZINSKI BEFORE YOU GO ON.

ADN BEFORE THAT READ UP ON BRITISH MACKINDER BEFORE EVEN THAT.

"who rules eastern europe rules the heartland (russia) who rules the hearland, rules the world island (eurasia) , who rules euraisa, rules the world"

now answer the question:

WHAT BUSINESSIS IT OF THE BRITISH OUTLYER ISLAND PEOPLE OR AMERICA

TO DARE YOU HAVE ANY OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE IN EURAIS DO?

BRESHNEV OR NOT?

teddytennisfan · Apr 8, 2016

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teddytennisfan · Apr 8, 2016

britbox said:
Read up on the Brezhnev Doctrine before you respond.

AND IF YOU are going to go back to russia/czechoslovakia,..

go back to BRITAIN AND INDIA. BRITAIN AND THE ''new world" calling itself america...

go back to britain and ''remapping" the middle east...go back to britain and rhodesia. britain and malvinas, britain and the opium trade in asia, britian and...we can go on and on

and talk abotu RUSSIAN TANKS IN CZECOHOSLOVAKIA in EURASIA

where peripheral islands britain have NO BUSINESS POKING THEIR NOSES IN , let alone march around like they own the places...much, much , much bigger than those tiny islands...

you want to talk about russia under brezhnev and czechs?

talk about BRITAIN AND LIBYA...or where british soldiers marchED and raped and tortured along with americans IRAQIS in lands

NOT ANYTHING NEAR connected to YOURS.

THE POINT IS -- you are in NO position to talk about what not JUST russia or china or iran or afganistan or ukraine do with THEMSELVES in their OWN lands and continents...

while YOUR country has RAVAGED AND PLUNDERED continents left and right where YOUr PEOPLE did not derive from or had any business calling your ''ways" the LAWS of the lands of others.

britbox · Apr 8, 2016

teddytennisfan said:
READ UP ON BRZEZINSKI BEFORE YOU GO ON.

ADN BEFORE THAT READ UP ON BRITISH MACKINDER BEFORE EVEN THAT.

"who rules eastern europe rules the heartland (russia) who rules the hearland, rules the world island (eurasia) , who rules euraisa, rules the world"

now answer the question:

WHAT BUSINESSIS IT OF THE BRITISH OUTLYER ISLAND PEOPLE OR AMERICA

TO DARE YOU HAVE ANY OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE IN EURAIS DO?

BRESHNEV OR NOT?

You seem to dare to have plenty of opinions regarding continents you're not from, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

teddytennisfan · Apr 8, 2016

britbox said:
You seem to dare to have plenty of opinions regarding continents you're not from, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

WELL -- I DO because i come from an asian country that just happens to be, while also peripheral

ISN'T the same as YOURS and the west and america that plunder and pillaged entire continents to enrich themselves...

therefore I have the same POSITION as those IN THE ''world island" whose regions the so-called ''WEST" HAVE PLUNDERED far beyond their own confines.

RIGHT NOW -- the philippines -- another VASSAL state of the USA -- a western country with which BRITAIN shares its DNA of global colonialism .. is in a tussle with CHINA that claims "all of south china sea as chinese territory" -

fine they can go and quarrel among thsemlves about national pride and claims - along with other counter-claimants - like FARTHER AWAY indonesia, or far awy JAPAN -

OR nearby vietnam -- all of which have placed THEIR ''CONSTRUCTIONS" ON these tiny islets -- BEFORE china did -- and when CHINA does it it's suddenly a big no no ...

while YET vietnam, indonesia and philippines quarreled over the same islands for DECADES...

in comes -- IN ALL OF THESE -- UNCLE SAM

who has NO BUSINESS poking in the regional affairs of countres ETHER on LAND it does not belong to n the eurasian cojntinent OR on the SEAS around that superlandmass...

and YET CALLS ITSELF ''the leader of asia".

while HIDING behind REGIONAL CLAIMS AND COUNTERCLAIMS

to EXPAND UNCLE SAM'S MILITARY PRESENCE IN MY country

as a way to justify ITS presence in the VERY SAME WATERS WHERE THE USA DOES NOT BELONG...calling it

''freedom of navigation" ...when in fact its TRUE purpose si to INSIST that ITS military ;power is the LORD of ASIA. as opposed to the ''threat of rising china".

whatever CHINA IS -- which just happens to be the HUB of practically the ENTIRE economic RISE of all asia and eurasia --

against which the UNITED STATES HAS NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE to contribute ....

the bottom line is THIS:

HOW THE ASIAN ORDER THEMSELVES -- IS ESCALATED TO CONFLICT BECAUSE OF UNCLE SAM from thosuands of miles away -- goading japan and the philipp'ines and south korea to ''encircle"

the WORLD ISLAND ...because YOUR western ''leader" thnks

"we are a pacific nation -- therefore we are also an ASIAN nation -- and we intend to be THE asian leader:" (emperor obama -- in 2015 february) --

at which china resp;onded:

"we have heard obama's remarks -- the usa may be a pacific nation but that DOES NOT MEAN it is also an asian nation and has NO business calling itself the asian LEADER".

you may not like it -- but that is the bottom line -- teh USA, THE WEST, UK, ARE NOT NATIVES TO THE REGION -- they do NOT own the resources, lands and peoples and cultures of the region -- nd have NO BUSINESS telling anybody who is a ''threat or who is a friend"

that is an issue AMONG ASIANS AND EURASIANS, PERIOD.

just like talking - as CAMERON AND OBAMA AND KERRY continue to insinuate that ''eventually assad MUST go"

ISN'T THEIRS or any of the westerners' and certainly NONE of the far peripheral nations such as UK AND AMERICA --

HAVE AS their business to invoke upon other peoples in their own lands.

and IF china is such a powerful, even bullying country in asia - or russia wields such influence in Eurasia -- WHAT OF IT?

WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF BULLY AMERICA over the globe or FORMER ''EMPIRE"UK?

neither china or russia or any country FOR THAT matter

TELL YOU -- but brits or americans or ''westerners' what kind of governments you ought to have -- nobody tells you from china you should become a ''one-party socialist" society --

they dont' come and show up in ARMADA'S off YOUR shores to stop YOUR freedom of 'navigation'

or intimidate you between trade with THE BALTICS in your own regions...and tell you how to VOTE or campaign

or what to do with YORU homeless or your health care or how to ''collectivize" your private properties>

so -- what makes westerners, PARTCULARLY under the leadership of america and UK ...

think you have ANY business no just inserting your ''demands and rules and expectations" on countries in othe rregions including their quarrels and how they find their compromises

while an entity such as thE usa USES such regional dissonances as ITS way to play ''overlord" over them?

BEFORE THE USA inserted itself -- AGAIN -- into philippine military affairs -- there was NOT big DEAL between china and the philippines as to ''claims about south china sea".

they simply IGNORED the claims of the chnese -- while the chinese made or offered ''compromises -- let us partner in DEVELOPING these islets".

and NOW -- A WAR is a potential .

agaijn -- another demonstration

that wherever the STARS AND STRIPES TOPHAT APPEARS

THERE is BOUND TO BE TROUBLE -- more THAN THERE SHOULD BE!

my point , britbox, - is THIS:

if you -- THE WESTERNERS can not keep your hands to yourselves and deal with YOUR OWN REGIONAL QUARRELS TO THE PERFECTION that your leaders claim to be such LEAders OF THE WORLD AT SOLVING --

LEAVE THE REST OF THE WORLD ALONE...they have bene around

FAR, FAR LONGER than any of your empires have been adn know what to do amongst temselves without the INTRUSIONS and LECTURES FROM YOUR countries.

if you can not do that -- the MOST you ought to allow yoruselves is to go as traders and merchants and NOTHING ELSE --

BUT not according to your rules ...

According to the rules of those YOU are just guests in. not RULERS.

teddytennisfan · Apr 8, 2016

britbox said:
You seem to dare to have plenty of opinions regarding continents you're not from, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

in other words -- i am of a culture and ''race" or whatever one wants to call that --

OF THE ASIAN world...my people -- the philippines is a mix of influences

from the colonial spaniards as well as tne presetn day empire USA -- (WHO - by the way -- made sure to KICK OUT the late 19th century very small embassy of the RUSSIAN CZAR nicholas 1 who wanted to trade with the philippines for tropical food n exchange for russian minerals , wood, northern fish, etc because the USA already was thnking of ALL of eurasia as 'MINE") -

i come from a country whose people are descendants of mixtures of chinese, indonesian, malay, vietnamese , and even as far away as india...and THEREFORE have EVERY right to make OPINION about

the relations not just among my fellow asian other cultures as well as the INTRUSIONS that the west has brought.

and in BOTH ENDS of the SUPERLANDMASS that IS EURASIA -- where the 'CHINESE MIDDLE KINGDOM AND INDIAN CIVILIZATION" are the pillars of asian history and countries -- adn EXTENDS right towards the philippine isaldns themselves --

it is NOT difficult that

COMPLETE FOREIGN OUTSIDERS -- namely YOUR britons and americans

thnk they can RULE over the 'WORLD ISLAND" and THOSE THAT this same world isaldn CREATED as cultures -- including MY philippines.

IN EUROPE alone -- as EVEN the relatvely close-by AUSTRIANS

do NOT consider YOUR west as ''close to us -- we are actually closer to the russians "...

so -- what is YOUR american-led, angl0p-american inspired ''\NATO"

doing MARCHING on the streets of vienna? or bulgaria or romania or central asian /caucasus Georgia?

you dont' belong there - your cultures and identities didn't rise FROM there -- their resources and lands AREN'T YOURS...

wo what makes your peoples or -- more preciely your LEADERS thnk

you actually have any business having ANY say in the affairs of regions that aren't YOURS or with whom you actually have NO hsitorical or cultural ties at all?

EXCEPT for THE FACT that YOUR countries HAVE pludnered them? THAT never went sailing across oceans to steal YOUR england or YOUR london ?

what has given the british the RIGHT to take the historical treasureof the chinese palaces that SIT RIGHT NOW N YOUR london museums?

THEY ARE WHAT ? TROPHIES OF THE GLORIES of victorian era empire or the USA with its ''freedom of navigation" n south china sea

or USA /NATO -- against "'russian expansion"

WHILE your -- ''WESTERN" o american camps are spread over the world where they DON'T BELONG?

AND YOUR LOT CALLS russia's navy and airforce IN SYRIA '''AGGRESSION AND IMPERIALISM?"

give us a break!

britbox · Apr 8, 2016

Last time I checked Libya was in Africa not Asia... and yeah, I'm European... You know where Czechoslovakia was?

teddytennisfan · Apr 8, 2016

britbox said:
Last time I checked Libya was in Africa not Asia... and yeah, I'm European... You know where Czechoslovakia was?

yes - i also learned about where africa is -- and what RHODESIA WAS under thebrits in their rivalry with the DUTCH SOUTH of them ...where they loved all the diamonds and the farmland .....

and i also know that very ancient chinese, persian OCEAN trade through te3h straights of mallacca to africa as MERCHANTS and not INVADING CONQUERORS -- before the chinese empire decided "we do not need so much expanse -- we have enough commerce going on HERE-- do not build more of these huge ships"!

UN/LIKE teh cannon-laden brits and americans

who thought ''piracy by the berbers" were a big no no

BECAUSE THEIR WESTERN PIRATES from FAR AWAY NORTH ahd rivals to the riches of africa which ISN'T THEIRS TO START WITH.

AS A LIVE DISCUSSION went -- that involved AFRICAN economic and other ministers -- from differentcountries -- that included also representatives and industry heads from western countries

hosted by CHINA'S CCTV -

last year -- it\'s n archives somewhere --

the african ministers were of ONE VOICE -- saying this, in essence:

"africa has had centuries of relations with both asia , as far away as china and of coruse europe and america.:"

"our experience has tuaght us ONE thing: the west have come PURELY to take what we have and left us POOR -- a systematic way of ensuring that africa is a colony...rather than as trade partner with OUR own rights and needs and our RULES and expectations ...

"the chinese who have n recent tmes come to nvest and even buy land or rent -- have been accused of colonialism by the west....

but inf act -- it is ONLY since the chnese and asians have arrived -- really more precisely RETURNED SINCE THEY STOPPED trading centuries ago when theEUROEPANS arrived

THAT AFRICA has now become the fastest single region of eocnomic growth and development -

YES NOTHING is perfect -- there are many challenges , differences incultures, and ways of doing business -- but when we DO make it known to the chinese authorities -- they TAKE THE STEPS to correc THEIR people -- EVEN removing them altogether and sending replacements to work with us accoridng to what we feel is proper".

for centrueis : the west came "and all they ever did was GIVE ORDERS -- WE HAD NO VOICE, WHATSOEVER -- THE CHINESE -- we have a voice -- we sell to them our land or rent or partner adn THEY listen to our concerns and we arrive at workable solutions that we can both be happy about...

"they come as MERCHANTS AND TRADERS -- not as imperialists or colonialists.

"if you REALLY want to talk abotu cololnialism and imperialism?

it's easy just look NORTH AND WEST. we should know -- it's our CENTURIES fo experience that is the authority on that".

britbox · Apr 8, 2016

Lol teddy, you claimed in the previous post Brits shouldn't even be allowed an opinion regarding Eurasia... when we're actually a state within.... yet, you're quite comfortable discussing Africa.... not that I have a problem with that... just your contradictions.

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