Shanghai Master 1000

[GameSetAndMath]

Any predictions for the final tomorrow? Murray in straights? Or Andy in straights? What'll it be?

Obviously Andy is the favorite. But, I would not be surprised if RBA pulls it off though. In Cincy, Andy was expected to lift the trophy considering neither Fed nor Nole was there. But, he did not. Now, he is expected to win Shanghai, but he may not.

p.s. I am rooting for Andy.

 

[herios]

Wrong again and I know you and other Nadal fans just dislike him 'cos he beat their hero but here are actual facts. RBA the pusher has never made it past the 4th round of any slam and is 28 and therefore has been playing much longer than the 22 year old Pouille.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Bautista_Agut

Now check Pouille's slam results. 2 x 1/4 finals already this year and he's only 22. It's clear you don't like him, but it's also clear you've completely underrated him and he's a better player than RBA already at the slams and is 6 years younger and likely a much higher ceiling given he's already performed better than RBA has with 6 years more on tour. Pouille is not a pusher, goes after his shots and has a much more offensive game. Pushers don't ever win anything of note.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Pouille

It's not that I don't like him but it's the fact that Pouille is N O body. Yeah I acknowledge he had a good win over Rafa, no excuses but the next round he got clowned by Monfils.However you did the same thing about Lukas the clown Rosol. What has he done since he upset Rafa at Wimbledon a few years ago.not a damn thing.

Er, no I didn't ever claim anything about Rosol like you're making out actually. When did he ever make 2 slam 1/4 finals and when did I say he did or was capable of doing so? Rosol has a good game for grass and that's about it. And the next round you're referring to that Pouille lost in was the quarter final which is more than RBA has ever achieved. Not long till the next slam so we'll see who goes further, RBA or Pouille. My guess is Pouille's slam results in 2017 will be better than RBA's yet again.

:lolz:
Comparing Pouille to Darcis or Rosol and even Bautista Agut is totally ridiculous.

Lucas Pouille is only 22 and already ranked 16 in the world. Now let's see at that age what were the other above mentioned above doing:
Darcis at 22y was ranked 358 in the world, Rosol was ranked 250 and Bautista Agut was ranked 160.

By that measure, surely Pouille could become # 1 in the world by the time when will be 28y, like Agut is right now.

 

[the AntiPusher]

It's not that I don't like him but it's the fact that Pouille is N O body. Yeah I acknowledge he had a good win over Rafa, no excuses but the next round he got clowned by Monfils.However you did the same thing about Lukas the clown Rosol. What has he done since he upset Rafa at Wimbledon a few years ago.not a damn thing.

Er, no I didn't ever claim anything about Rosol like you're making out actually. When did he ever make 2 slam 1/4 finals and when did I say he did or was capable of doing so? Rosol has a good game for grass and that's about it. And the next round you're referring to that Pouille lost in was the quarter final which is more than RBA has ever achieved. Not long till the next slam so we'll see who goes further, RBA or Pouille. My guess is Pouille's slam results in 2017 will be better than RBA's yet again.

:lolz:
Comparing Pouille to Darcis or Rosol and even Bautista Agut is totally ridiculous.

Lucas Pouille is only 22 and already ranked 16 in the world. Now let's see at that age what were the other above mentioned above doing:
Darcis at 22y was ranked 358 in the world, Rosol was ranked 250 and Bautista Agut was ranked 160.

By that measure, surely Pouille could become # 1 in the world by the time when will be 28y, like Agut is right now.

It's amazing how you come up with these stats to make your babies appear as though they are the next best thing when in essence its just another one of your nanny projects. None of which has yet to win a grandslam although your beloved Canadian has made a GS final.

 

[Carol]

Congrats Muzz!!!!!!:clap

 

[Carol]

I can see the huge enthusiasm around here about the new Champion of Shanghai....why? :snicker

 

[herios]

Er, no I didn't ever claim anything about Rosol like you're making out actually. When did he ever make 2 slam 1/4 finals and when did I say he did or was capable of doing so? Rosol has a good game for grass and that's about it. And the next round you're referring to that Pouille lost in was the quarter final which is more than RBA has ever achieved. Not long till the next slam so we'll see who goes further, RBA or Pouille. My guess is Pouille's slam results in 2017 will be better than RBA's yet again.

:lolz:
Comparing Pouille to Darcis or Rosol and even Bautista Agut is totally ridiculous.

Lucas Pouille is only 22 and already ranked 16 in the world. Now let's see at that age what were the other above mentioned above doing:
Darcis at 22y was ranked 358 in the world, Rosol was ranked 250 and Bautista Agut was ranked 160.

By that measure, surely Pouille could become # 1 in the world by the time when will be 28y, like Agut is right now.

It's amazing how you come up with these stats to make your babies appear as though they are the next best thing when in essence its just another one of your nanny projects. None of which has yet to win a grandslam although your beloved Canadian has made a GS final.

If you would not hate Pouille's guts because he kicked Rafa's butt, you would agree with me.
But your fanboyism blinds you.
It makes no sense to compare one of the rising talents ion Tour with some of those like Rosol and Darcis.

 

[Carol]

It's funny how the most fanboys like to call the same to others lol
Who ever has beaten Nadal whoever is getting famous for awhile and also the next contender for the #1 but unfortunately at the end they just tell me how bad Rafa played to have lost to them

 

[Front242]

It's funny how the most fanboys like to call the same to others lol
Who ever has beaten Nadal whoever is getting famous for awhile and also the next contender for the #1 but unfortunately at the end they just tell me how bad Rafa played to have lost to them

How totally respectful of the other players :nono Utterly pathetic.

 

[the AntiPusher]

:lolz:
Comparing Pouille to Darcis or Rosol and even Bautista Agut is totally ridiculous.

Lucas Pouille is only 22 and already ranked 16 in the world. Now let's see at that age what were the other above mentioned above doing:
Darcis at 22y was ranked 358 in the world, Rosol was ranked 250 and Bautista Agut was ranked 160.

By that measure, surely Pouille could become # 1 in the world by the time when will be 28y, like Agut is right now.

It's amazing how you come up with these stats to make your babies appear as though they are the next best thing when in essence its just another one of your nanny projects. None of which has yet to win a grandslam although your beloved Canadian has made a GS final.

If you would not hate Pouille's guts because he kicked Rafa's butt, you would agree with me.
But your fanboyism blinds you.
It makes no sense to compare one of the rising talents ion Tour with some of those like Rosol and Darcis.

Maybe if you should reread my posts..I said that if Pouille doesn't defeat Rafa his accomplishments wouldn't be so overblown. I never said anything negative about his game or him as a person. I actually dislike a Rosol but not Pouille. Whereas you have a strong dislike for Rafa which is your prerogative. By using the term fanboyisms makes your post sounds cheap just like that other poster who is currently in Canadian cyberspace.

For your record

Milos: he aight
Pouille: he aight
Rosol: he is a clown
Grigor: he aight
Alexander Zverev : the Chosen One , he will bring balance to the force
Tifoe: he needs a proper coach, he will be great
Fritz: he has all the tools to be a great player

Now getting back to you and your nanny projects.. I like that you think about the future of tennis but I don't like the way you try so damn hard to diminish the accomplishments of others especially Nadal. Prior to 2010 ..you wasn't gung ho about Novak as you claim ( ask Tennisman he remembers you) , However Novak is a brilliant tennis player and he may go down when it's all said and done as a top 5 of all time, he certainly one of the best three tennis talents I ever saw. Grow up herios, you too old of a poster to be using the term hate towards me. How would it look if I hated every player whom Rafa looses too, that's ridiculous

Remember what KS keeps preaching from the legendary BritBox, "debate the post not the poster"

 

[Fiero425]

The Fedal morose will only get worse as time goes on; I well understand it seeing it coming! From the GOAT's to "the goats' of the tour! Luckily I let go and explained the reasons ages ago! Will probably go thru the same trauma when Nole loses his #1 ranking which I didn't think was in jeopardy until now! None have anything to be embarrassed for; even from the trollish nitpicking all of us are guilty of! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :cover :deadhorse

- - http://fiero4251.blogspot.com/2016/08/fan-page-novak-nole-djokovic.html - -

 

[Backhand_DTL]

Nothing special pusher tennis? If that were the case why aren't Murray and Simon beating him frequently? Novak was just crap out there, no offense to RBA, although RBA's game does suck imo.

Until the end of the first set Novak wasn't even that bad but he didn't seem to be in a particularly good mood from the beginning and starting from the point where he was unable to put away an easy volley to break for 5:4 and afterwards lost his next service game by some poor play he began showing a lot of frustration and wasn't able to find any calm and consistent good play till the end of the match.

But you're right that apart from exposing that Novak can be quite vulnerable in close moments and on big points right now, there's not much this match revealed in terms of an effective tactical approach to playing Novak.

FG...it is an effective tactical approach for someone like Nadal who can't figure out how to win a set of Novak in almost 2 years whereas RBA just did it. RBA consistently kept the ball deep on Djoker and force him to create his own angles..Rewatch the match., that was the huge difference, Novak was as sharp when he was forced to do so.

Giving Novak no angles or even neither angles nor pace is certainly a good strategy when he is struggling but when Novak plays reasonably well he doesn't have too much problems at generating pace or angles on his own.

Also hitting with consistent depth is something Rafa can struggle with even when he is in rather good form and because of their rivalry Novak brings a different kind of intensity to those matches compared to playing someone like RBA, which makes a performance like the one on Saturday unlikely. You could see that in the matches in Indian Wells and Rome where Rafa played quite well by his current standards and Novak definitely wasn't at his best for most of them but he hung in after bad starts, showed he really wanted to win and was able to step up when Rafa got close to winning a set.

So I don't think a game plan that's rather difficult to execute well for Rafa and additionally requires Novak to have somewhat of an off day to work effectively is a solution for his problems in this match-up.