Asmodeus said:
ricardo said:
Sure the victim is not at fault, so why do we advise people not to show off their valuables when they go to various parts of the world, or nation or even suburbs?
Because they'd get bashed and robbed.
Now if we advise people to hide their money, does that mean we favor the robbers over the victim? same logic applies, you are rich and it's within your 'rights' to show off, but DON'T do it because it increases the chance of you getting hurt, beat up and robbed..... or worse.
Of course people have no right to hurt you just because you show off, (money, jewelry or 'body'), but they just do... it has nothing to do with right or wrong since we all know it. It's about protecting yourself, does anyone think the criminals care what 'rights' you are supposed to have?
Serena does have a point, those who criticize her should try doing the same .... then if they get hurt come back and tell us about whatever 'rights' they have. In the real world, she is right on this one (i don't agree with many of her views though).
So, I guess from your view of the world all women should wear burquas, the rich should drive Yugos and live in small apartments, and the smart should act dumb.
This logic is absolutely counter to a true form of republican government where property rights (material, bodily, and intellectual) are and should be protected. No one should ever have to "hide" themselves from fear of attack.
The attackers in case are wrong but so is Williams for her comments.
It's not my view of the world, it's reality and pretending to live in an ideal world is stupid. Guess what, i think you just talk the talk but never walk the walk .... like so many here
I bet you don't wear valuables and walk around certain parts of the world, actually not even certain parts of New York, and you don't wear bikinis in some place where people drink a lot, and i don't see you showing off your 'smart' in a corporate.
Because you know you'd likely get beat up and mobbed, insulted and attacked. There is no law that will stop this, its human nature and you live with it. Everyone can talk about what supposedly rights they have (i certainly know my rights) but it simply doesn't work that way. People who traffic drugs, commit robbery etc face death penalty in some countries, yet even that won't stop them.... the world is never ideal, just admit it.
When my friend went to south Italy last year, i advised him to keep his money well-hiden (then he got robbed anyway); i also advised my female friend to dress carefully when she went to Turkey, thankfully nothing happened. Your talk of 'rights' and 'what should and shouldn't' is actually useless, since when does that kind of PC talk make a difference? you adapt to the environment not vice-versa. I think those who commit the crimes should face the toughest penalty, yet even that will not stop.
You know what, you go and walk the walk before putting on that brave and righteous face.
Kieran said:
^^ Exactly.
The wrong logic here makes the rapist a victim of their own warped lust, and the girl is the aggressor because she wore a short skirt and had a drink.
It's both misogynistic AND insulting to men!
Exactly what a warped logic you have. Nobody here thinks the girl is anything but a victim, it's a useless way of trying an argument. Would you advise a girl to wear a short skirt and have a drink with people who you don't know are safe or not? if you do, i am sure smart girls would stay away from you
. If you don't, what are you whinging about? :laydownlaughing
In any case, i don't see you walking across some place with a stash of cash in your hand; and i am sure it's not because you have any less 'rights' to do so
Lastly, i see the word 'misogyny' getting used a lot.... almost like one is not up-to-date if he/she doesn't use it, even if it's irrelevant... quite ridiculous actually.
