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1972Murat said:
Routinely netting balls he'd make in his sleep and blasting tons of balls miles wide? Rafa's a nightmare matchup for him for sure but he can play a lot better than he did today. And the huge amount of UFEs was the same against Nishikori. Just a very poor match. I mean congrats to Nadal but Fed was just awful today.
herios said:Srini said:As a Fed fan, I feel it's almost unfair that he has to play with a single handed backhand against Rafa on clay.not that he can win with two handed backhand but atleast it doesn't look as ugly.
Really? Then how Dimitorv did so well against him? And Wawrinka also did a much better jond than Roger.
The issue is a single BH can be a weapon, for Roger is a useless shield.
Probably but did Wawrinka has a win against Rafa, on any surface? I guess Fed's backhand works well generally against others, its Rafa who makes it look useless.
Front242 said:
Errors, not unforced...Any time your opponent sends a ball to you, he is forcing you to make an error. "give your opponent one more shot" is the thing you hear most when you start playing tennis.
herios said:Srini said:As a Fed fan, I feel it's almost unfair that he has to play with a single handed backhand against Rafa on clay.
Really? Then how Dimitorv did so well against him? And Wawrinka also did a much better jond than Roger.
The issue is a single BH can be a weapon, for Roger is a useless shield.
what's your problem? first you want Fed to walk away mid-match now this rubbish? if there is anything, his staying and allowing his opponent full victory is much better than what your boy used to do when he was losing.... quit. Now you show us the last time guy with single bh beat Nadal.... just look at the number, since when does that suggest single bh is a weapon against Nadal's fh? it simply isn't if it doesn't give you upper hand. The bottom line, when single bh is on song it merely gives a better scoreline and when it's played poorly it's a slaughter, which is how it goes always.
You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
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Kieran said:
No we won't and I was waiting for some bs from you. Federer deserved to lose as he played crap and Rafa played well but really, like Nishikori, did he have to do much? No. Again, it's like I'm the only one you think says it was on Fed's racquet and clearly it wasn't. The commentators said it was embarrassing. what does that tell you?
nehmeth said:
just when i saw the same thing Herios said, can't help but notice both of you are Djoker fans who support quitting. Is quitting better than finishing a match and giving everyone (including fans) the proper respect? yeah should just walk away when your opponent is playing too good for you, just happy players don't think like you Djoker fans, or spectators should get refund from the tournaments who would then go broke.
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Front242 said:
Of course you were. Murat is correct: Federer played crap because he played a guy who gets in his mush and thumps him.
The pressure Federer feels when he plays Nadal is immense and that causes the so-called UFE's. In other words, they're not UFE's at all...
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I think he is just mouthing off.... no big deal, he likes it when there is a match involving Federer. Remember, Fed surpassing Sampras in just few years upset a lot of his supporters.
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OK a few quick things:
1) If you're underwhelmed by the Fedal "rivalry," base your arguments on their matches up until a couple of years ago. This is soon to be 32 year old Federer playing Nadal (who happened to be having a good day too) on clay. What did you expect? Sure, Roger's performance was especially bad, but to use these matches as some sort of tell-tale sign as to how overrated this rivalry is seems silly.
(Cali is excluded from this paragraph, since he thinks Roger is still as good as ever, 31 year old is still almost someone's prime, and Roger can just flip a switch the moment he chooses to. Apparently he chose not to in this match).
2) There's little to take from Fedal matches these days, especially on clay, but I actually think Nadal has re-adapted himself to Roger's old-age acquired weaknesses, such as stretching him on his forehand side. Back in say, 2006-2007 (or even 2008 for that matter), going after Roger's forehand was suicidal. He's not as fast moving to that side these days, and Rafa is consistently exposing it with his CC backhand (I first noticed it at RG in 2011). As if this match-up needed to become even more complicated for Fed.
3) The good news for Federer is that he can't possibly play this bad on grass. I think he'll be surprising people there, again.
1) If you're underwhelmed by the Fedal "rivalry," base your arguments on their matches up until a couple of years ago. This is soon to be 32 year old Federer playing Nadal (who happened to be having a good day too) on clay. What did you expect? Sure, Roger's performance was especially bad, but to use these matches as some sort of tell-tale sign as to how overrated this rivalry is seems silly.
(Cali is excluded from this paragraph, since he thinks Roger is still as good as ever, 31 year old is still almost someone's prime, and Roger can just flip a switch the moment he chooses to. Apparently he chose not to in this match).
2) There's little to take from Fedal matches these days, especially on clay, but I actually think Nadal has re-adapted himself to Roger's old-age acquired weaknesses, such as stretching him on his forehand side. Back in say, 2006-2007 (or even 2008 for that matter), going after Roger's forehand was suicidal. He's not as fast moving to that side these days, and Rafa is consistently exposing it with his CC backhand (I first noticed it at RG in 2011). As if this match-up needed to become even more complicated for Fed.
3) The good news for Federer is that he can't possibly play this bad on grass. I think he'll be surprising people there, again.
Kieran said:Front242 said:
Of course you were. Murat is correct: Federer played crap because he played a guy who gets in his mush and thumps him.
The pressure Federer feels when he plays Nadal is immense and that causes the so-called UFE's. In other words, they're not UFE's at all...
Really? UFE is always defined from a technical point of view, nothing to do with who gets into who's head or under what pressure. Otherwise you could have all those guys losing their first ATP finals and claim they have zero UFE, because the pressure gets the better of them.... they get so uptight they can't swing properly and make errors they don't normally make, and you call them forced errors
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Good posts, Moxie and Nehmeth.
Going back to the match, there are positives for both players, though I wonder if Roger is going to regret not playing so much tennis recently. He didn't face anyone great in Rome until Nadal. In the plus column, he gets five set matches in Paris to grease his wheels a little before week 2.
Nadal looked a lot better today and yesterday compared to his slumping form against Ferrer. He was calm, combative, striking better. Still not at last year's levels, but he's improving all the while. I feel a lot more confident ahead of RG than I did last week...
Going back to the match, there are positives for both players, though I wonder if Roger is going to regret not playing so much tennis recently. He didn't face anyone great in Rome until Nadal. In the plus column, he gets five set matches in Paris to grease his wheels a little before week 2.
Nadal looked a lot better today and yesterday compared to his slumping form against Ferrer. He was calm, combative, striking better. Still not at last year's levels, but he's improving all the while. I feel a lot more confident ahead of RG than I did last week...
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By the way, for the neutrals (among which I admittedly do not belong), Novak beating Nadal in Monte Carlo was the best thing to happen this clay court season, as it's the only thing stopping the FO from being foregone conclusion. And yeah, I still think Novak-Nadal in Paris is at worst 50-50.
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Never have I been so glad to be in Church as it allowed me to miss the latest installment of this great rivalry.
Sounds like a howler for Roger but still a good week. Truth is that at this stage in his career Roger is no threat on clay and is a small one on slow-medium hards. His season really starts at Wimbledon and it will be that way for the rest of his career Im afraid
Sounds like a howler for Roger but still a good week. Truth is that at this stage in his career Roger is no threat on clay and is a small one on slow-medium hards. His season really starts at Wimbledon and it will be that way for the rest of his career Im afraid
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