2025 Men's Wimbledon Championships

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Okay, was it the Nadal Djokovic semifinal in 2018, when it resumed the following day...

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Okay, was it the Nadal Djokovic semifinal in 2018, when it resumed the following day

Bingo

 

[kskate2]

I think the main problem w/ the decision was how long it takes for that freakin' roof to be closed! Why do they need to stop play anyway? Grigor may have cooled off, which may have contributed to his injury! Us, old guys need things to be timely, orderly, consistent, & w/o interruption!

It takes about 10 mins to close it. Apparently, it could be a hindrance/distraction to the players while it's happening so they decide to stop play so there's no issues.

 

[Fiero425]

Okay, was it the Nadal Djokovic semifinal in 2018, when it resumed the following day...

Nyah! That didn't have anything to do w/ rain or darkness! It was late; already after 11 PM! Wimbledon can't afford to alienate the neighborhood! They couldn't get special premission like RG at the FO when Djokovic defeated Nadal in 2021 w/ the Pandemic still hanging on!

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

I would have loved to see the careers of Philippoussis, Nishikori, del Potro, and Dimitrov without injuries.

Nyah! That didn't have anything to do w/ rain or darkness! It was late; already after 11 PM! Wimbledon can't afford to alienate the neighborhood! They couldn't get special premission like RG at the FO when Djokovic defeated Nadal in 2021 w/ the Pandemic still hanging on!

I still can't believe Nadal didn't win that one. Nadal should have had 15 French Opens, winning 4 in a row, then 5 in a row, and finally 6 in a row.

 

[Moxie]

There is no winner here! Sinner looks as bad going on into the tournament after dodging this bullet! Poor Grigor!

There is no winner, that's true. Sinner picked up a niggle, and I think he's going to be OK, going forward. There were 2.5 sets left to play, and that's why it's best of 5. You don't know what would happen, and how Sinner recovers.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I would have loved to see the careers of Philippoussis, Nishikori, del Potro, and Dimitrov without injuries.


I still can't believe Nadal didn't win that one. Nadal should have had 15 French Opens, winning 4 in a row, then 5 in a row, and finally 6 in a row.

Phil
The Poo was a lazy trainer for starters he preferred woman and fast cars, he had a game on the grass for sure, he was his own worst enemy
I was a big fan of Del Potro it was just terribly sad to see the many injuries that stopped his career
Kei's body is made of glass for starters
I was never a fan of Grigor, over rated and when they started calling him Baby Fed I just laughed out loud

 

[Moxie]

Sinner got very lucky. Could he have figured it out and turned the match around sure, but it still is a brutal way of earning the win.

What a rough blow for Grigor. I am starting to think he should consider retirement. His conditioning seems to be really poor. He has had a rough history of retirement in majors of late.

Let me edit this:

Sinner got very lucky.

No one is lucky in this. That's a terrible word to use. If you want to say he dodged a bullet, he did. If he was going to win this one, he'd have to have played 5 sets, which may not have finished tonight. But Grigor has a terrible record v. Top 10 players. 43-89, I just looked it up. Yes, he was playing very well, and could have taken any one of the next 3 sets. But Sinner could have won it outright, too. Best 3 of 5, and it doesn't matter if they're the last 3.

 

[Moxie]

Phil
The Poo was a lazy trainer for starters he preferred woman and fast cars, he had a game on the grass for sure, he was his own worst enemy
I was a big fan of Del Potro it was just terribly sad to see the many injuries that stopped his career
Kei's body is made of glass for starters
I was never a fan of Grigor, over rated and when they started calling him Baby Fed I just laughed out loud

I'm with you. I'd like to have seen a Nishikori and a del Potro career without injuries, but the other 2 were too distracted by other things in the sweet spots of their careers to do better than they did. Before Grigor was so troubled with injuries, he was just basically a folder, which is why I have trouble embracing him. Obviously, I felt awful for him today, and I have appreciated his later-career dedication, but it's been too little, left too late. Just when he's trying to care, his body is not cooperating. But he wasted his salad days on distractions.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I'm with you. I'd like to have seen a Nishikori and a del Potro career without injuries, but the other 2 were too distracted by other things in the sweet spots of their careers to do better than they did. Before Grigor was so troubled with injuries, he was just basically a folder, which is why I have trouble embracing him. Obviously, I felt awful for him today, and I have appreciated his later-career dedication, but it's been too little, left too late. Just when he's trying to care, his body is not cooperating. But he wasted his salad days on distractions.

I never want to see a player with the injury Grigor had today in his match, no I am not a fan, also we have seen over the years when he faces pressure he folds like a tent, agree he wasted his salad days on distractions

 

[Moxie]

It takes about 10 mins to close it. Apparently, it could be a hindrance/distraction to the players while it's happening so they decide to stop play so there's no issues.

If that's true, about it taking 10 minutes, then they have speeded up the process. In the Rosol match with Rafa, the first year of the roof, it took 45 minutes, and totally killed Rafa's momentum. But it must be faster now, because I barely noticed it. In general, I'm with Murray that you play an outdoor tournament in the same conditions until you can't anymore. The umpires and the tournament are all over the place as to when they stop matches for darkness, and when they close the roof. Where is the tournament director in this, for consistency? Shelton's match stopped right before he was serving for it, but the players had been complaining about low light for several games. On that same day, Davidavich Fokina's match was stopped an hour before the end of daylight, after Foki had hit his head on the court, got his bell rung a bit, and the opponent, (I forget who it was) was not happy at all. Foki won the next day. Ridiculously inconsistent.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Jannik will have a MRI on his elbow tomorrow to see if it is something serious
He said he still felt his elbow on his serve and fhand in the match

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

No one is lucky in this. That's a terrible word to use. If you want to say he dodged a bullet, he did. If he was going to win this one, he'd have to have played 5 sets, which may not have finished tonight. But Grigor has a terrible record v. Top 10 players. 43-89, I just looked it up. Yes, he was playing very well, and could have taken any one of the next 3 sets. But Sinner could have won it outright, too. Best 3 of 5, and it doesn't matter if they're the last 3.

43-89 isn't that bad. That's about one in three, or about 30-33%. That's way better than Sinner's track record in matches that go 5 sets. I know it's a very small sample size, but I remember someone posting right after the FO final that Sinner has only one career win in 5-set matches (actually, the poster said Sinner never won a 5-set match, but I corrected it by saying that Sinner came back from 2 sets down to win the 2024 AO Final). With Sinner's low win rate in 5-set matches, the Grigor injury was most likely the only way Sinner was going to win tonight.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

43-89 isn't that bad. That's about one in three, or about 30-33%. That's way better than Sinner's track record in matches that go 5 sets. I know it's a very small sample size, but I remember someone posting right after the FO final that Sinner has only one career win in 5-set matches (actually, the poster said Sinner never won a 5-set match, but I corrected it by saying that Sinner came back from 2 sets down to win the 2024 AO Final). With Sinner's low win rate in 5-set matches, the Grigor injury was most likely the only way Sinner was going to win tonight.

Moxie I am biting my tongue I will let you respond to Phil,

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

BTW,
Rublev didnt let his loss against Alcaraz get him down he was seen hanging from the rafters in a London night club last night

 

[Moxie]

43-89 isn't that bad. That's about one in three, or about 30-33%. That's way better than Sinner's track record in matches that go 5 sets. I know it's a very small sample size, but I remember someone posting right after the FO final that Sinner has only one career win in 5-set matches (actually, the poster said Sinner never won a 5-set match, but I corrected it by saying that Sinner came back from 2 sets down to win the 2024 AO Final). With Sinner's low win rate in 5-set matches, the Grigor injury was most likely the only way Sinner was going to win tonight.

Actually, 1:3 IS pretty bad. For example, Sinners has a 73.7% winning record v top 10. Alcaraz has a 75% rate. And while comparing a win rate over top 10 to a win rate in 5-setters is a bit apples to oranges, you're still wrong, because Sinner's 5-set win rate is 37.5%. (3 of 10.) I also know that comparing Sinner and Alcaraz's win rate over top 10 to Dimitrov's is also apples to oranges, in terms of level, at least it's a direct comparison. Dimitrov's is around the same as Monfils', to name someone in his age range. Cilic is 50%.

You mention that Jannik came from 2 sets down to win the AO. That is no small thing. There is every reason to believe that he could have recovered to win today, if the elbow isn't a real issue. His win rate in 5-setters is not THAT low, and he's #1, young, and trending. Dimitrov's is 13-9, and he's old.

All of that is just to correct your stats, and give some reality to your post. As I've said, Dimitrov was playing well, and he only needed one more set to win the match, with 3 chances in front of him. However, he was playing the #1, he is getting old, and he's a classic folder. Personally, I was tucking in for a long match to come, and wondering if they'd finish tonight. I'm sorry the way it ended, for sure. And I'm not trying to say that Sinner would have won it, by any stretch. But there is a reason they play best of 5. You can't tell me what would have happened, without the injury, esp. if your stats are wrong. But even with them, there was a lot of tennis potentially to be played.

What makes me crazy, and this is not directed at you, is that people on this forum, and in general, insist on sticking with best 3 of 5 for men at the Majors, but when something like this happens, they are SO SURE of how the rest of the match would have gone. No, you are not. If that's what you think, then play 2 of 3 and skip the drama, and the potential for surprise. That French Open final would have been pretty dull and short, if that were the way.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Actually, 1:3 IS pretty bad. For example, Sinners has a 73.7% winning record v top 10. Alcaraz has a 75% rate. And while comparing a win rate over top 10 to a win rate in 5-setters is a bit apples to oranges, you're still wrong, because Sinner's 5-set win rate is 37.5%. (3 of 10.) I also know that comparing Sinner and Alcaraz's win rate over top 10 to Dimitrov's is also apples to oranges, in terms of level, at least it's a direct comparison. Dimitrov's is around the same as Monfils', to name someone in his age range. Cilic is 50%.

You mention that Jannik came from 2 sets down to win the AO. That is no small thing. There is every reason to believe that he could have recovered to win today, if the elbow isn't a real issue. His win rate in 5-setters is not THAT low, and he's #1, young, and trending. Dimitrov's is 13-9, and he's old.

All of that is just to correct your stats, and give some reality to your post. As I've said, Dimitrov was playing well, and he only needed one more set to win the match, with 3 chances in front of him. However, he was playing the #1, he is getting old, and he's a classic folder. Personally, I was tucking in for a long match to come, and wondering if they'd finish tonight. I'm sorry the way it ended, for sure. And I'm not trying to say that Sinner would have won it, by any stretch. But there is a reason they play best of 5. You can't tell me what would have happened, without the injury, esp. if your stats are wrong. But even with them, there was a lot of tennis potentially to be played.

What makes me crazy, and this is not directed at you, is that people on this forum, and in general, insist on sticking with best 3 of 5 for men at the Majors, but when something like this happens, they are SO SURE of how the rest of the match would have gone. No, you are not. If that's what you think, then play 2 of 3 and skip the drama, and the potential for surprise. That French Open final would have been pretty dull and short, if that were the way.

Moxie

Thanks for a sensible reply, we do not know what the out come would be, if the match continued and Grigor did not retire, I am not a person who gets involved with Woulda Coulda Shoulda scenarios period.Or making 'speculations on matches! Prefer to give a post when a match is completed
If they ever decided to change the GS format to best of 3 sets I will then not be watching tennis

 

[Moxie]

Moxie

Thanks for a sensible reply, we do not know what the out come would be, if the match continued and Grigor did not retire, I am not a person who gets involved with Woulda Coulda Shoulda scenarios period.Or making 'speculations on matches! Prefer to give a post when a match is completed
If they ever decided to change the GS format to best of 3 sets I will then not be watching tennis

To be clear, I am totally in favor of the best of 5 format at Majors, and including for women (though I seem to be alone in this. I say it because the best of 5 is a pitched battle, and a beautiful thing. The women deserve to play epics, too.) But to name but a few recent-ish examples, since I also named the recent French Open final: Rafa d. Medvedev in AO 2022, being down 2 sets to love. Djokovic d. Tsitsipas at the French in 2021, being 2 sets to love down.

Best of 5 does favor the better player, let's be clear.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

To be clear, I am totally in favor of the best of 5 format at Majors, and including for women (though I seem to be alone in this. I say it because the best of 5 is a pitched battle, and a beautiful thing. The women deserve to play epics, too.) But to name but a few recent-ish examples, since I also named the recent French Open final: Rafa d. Medvedev in AO 2022, being down 2 sets to love. Djokovic d. Tsitsipas at the French in 2021, being 2 sets to love down.

Best of 5 does favor the better player, let's be clear.

I am also on board with woman playing the best of 5 so you are not alone

 

[Fiero425]

To be clear, I am totally in favor of the best of 5 format at Majors, and including for women (though I seem to be alone in this. I say it because the best of 5 is a pitched battle, and a beautiful thing. The women deserve to play epics, too.) But to name but a few recent-ish examples, since I also named the recent French Open final: Rafa d. Medvedev in AO 2022, being down 2 sets to love. Djokovic d. Tsitsipas at the French in 2021, being 2 sets to love down.

Best of 5 does favor the better player, let's be clear.

Well, most of the time! I was no fan of Andre Agassi, but he lost a few 5 set matches to players w/ a lot lower ranking! He just wasn't in shape!