Serious PC thread

[Kieran]

I wonder why we have all these prisons then. Since all the violence is human nature, why punish it?

Common =/= natural. Just FYI.

Because we’re capable of rising above our very worst nature. We’re never going to be perfect, but we can always try to be better.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Because we’re capable of rising above our very worst nature. We’re never going to be perfect, but we can always try to be better.

My man, "we're never going to be perfect" is something you tell your wife when you're going through issues, not when erasing entire bloodlines.

 

[Kieran]

My man, "we're never going to be perfect" is something you tell your wife when you're going through issues, not when erasing entire bloodlines.

That happens everywhere, bro? Show me a paradise in earth and I’ll show you a pie in the sky. There are no worst people when it comes to human nature…

 

[brokenshoelace]

That happens everywhere, bro? Show me a paradise in earth and I’ll show you a pie in the sky. There are no worst people when it comes to human nature…

I didn't ask for a paradise. Just perhaps condemning the continuous colonial bloodlust, pillaging, theft, etc... Shrugging it off as "human nature" is obviously ludicrous. Yes violence is not exclusive to the West. But few have been as successful, consistent, and dedicated...So no, I'm not really interested in celebrating western civilization when it continues to be built through the blood of the third world.

 

[Kieran]

I didn't ask for a paradise. Just perhaps condemning the continuous colonial bloodlust, pillaging, theft, etc... Shrugging it off as "human nature" is obviously ludicrous. Yes violence is not exclusive to the West. But few have been as successful, consistent, and dedicated...So no, I'm not really interested in celebrating western civilization when it continues to be built through the blood of the third world.

Colonialism is not unique to the West. I’m surprised you’re selecting the West for special condemnation in this. And I shrugged nothing off, I just pointed out what Basil Fawlty once called, The Bleeding Obvious…

 

[britbox]

Then you start thinking how many of these marriages worldwide, including in the civilized west, are women basically forced into something they never wanted and I don't know how much the equal rights thing really stays afloat to a realistic degree.

"Traditional family values" is just everyone's grandmothers being forced to deliver 6 children and everyone saying "marriages used to last." Let's be real.

In the west, the vast majority of marriages aren't forced and are of mutual consent - I can't speak for other areas of the world where there are arranged marriages.

What I'm talking about are feminine principles - nurturing being one of them. It seems progressive males seem to want prove their "fairness" by shoehorning women into roles that cater more for masculine tendencies and devalue innate feminine principles as old fashioned or worthless. Kind of like keeping the patriarchal principles in tact (but let women have a go) instead of placing value on matriarchal and feminine principles. Sure, we can have far more fluidity on who does what, but let's stop making motherhood seem like a worthless thankless task.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that to keep the human race going that there is a responsibility to bring through the next generation. Countless studies have shown that youngsters benefit from a stable home life.

If people don't want kids - fine, but they'll still expect somebody else's to wipe their arse and clean up their puddles of piss when they're old and infirm.

 

[britbox]

I didn't ask for a paradise. Just perhaps condemning the continuous colonial bloodlust, pillaging, theft, etc... Shrugging it off as "human nature" is obviously ludicrous. Yes violence is not exclusive to the West. But few have been as successful, consistent, and dedicated...So no, I'm not really interested in celebrating western civilization when it continues to be built through the blood of the third world.

Look for the beneficiaries of violence rather than "people of the West". How many of those conscripts sent to fight (rape, pillage) Africa shared in the loot? I'd hazard a guess at None. Follow the money and you'll find your answer.

Who seized the mines, minerals, natural resources in Africa? Ditto just about everywhere else. There is an oligarchy that rides an Imperial horse. They'll change Horse when necessary - Persia, Greece, Rome, Britain, America... and put down the horse they were riding and move onto the next one.

 

[Federberg]

Yes, men surely "relinquished power." That is why the biggest story of the century is a sex trafficking ring by the world's elite (men), in which women, no scratch that, girls, were being raped by men...with zero consequences. In fact, the most prominent name is currently the president of the United States. But yes, men don't run the world. They relinquished power.

Lol! come on mate! This is a specious argument and I think you know it. This doesn't invalidate the fact that society, and I'm happy to re-define that to Western society has been constructed with the safety of women and the elites in mind. The main victims have always been other men. They've done the dying and suffering in the main. Laws actually place more of the burden on men, they are punished more for exactly the same crimes. You bring up Epstein, I'll show you countless female teachers sleeping with underage boys. Those in power have always taken advantage of those under their authority, it's the human condition, regardless of gender. For some reason in this era, some people want to infantilise women and remove their agency. It's laughable. If you truly believe the genders should be equal, then both have to be accountable and face same consequences for their mal-actions

 

[brokenshoelace]

Colonialism is not unique to the West. I’m surprised you’re selecting the West for special condemnation in this. And I shrugged nothing off, I just pointed out what Basil Fawlty once called, The Bleeding Obvious…

Ah OK, well my neighbor is not the only murderer in town either. It's odd why I continue to single him out and scoff at his family praising his values.

Mate, "we're not the only rapists, racists, murderers, thieves in town, we just did it better than everyone else" is not the argument you think it is.

 

[brokenshoelace]

In the west, the vast majority of marriages aren't forced and are of mutual consent - I can't speak for other areas of the world where there are arranged marriages.

What I'm talking about are feminine principles - nurturing being one of them. It seems progressive males seem to want prove their "fairness" by shoehorning women into roles that cater more for masculine tendencies and devalue innate feminine principles as old fashioned or worthless. Kind of like keeping the patriarchal principles in tact (but let women have a go) instead of placing value on matriarchal and feminine principles. Sure, we can have far more fluidity on who does what, but let's stop making motherhood seem like a worthless thankless task.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that to keep the human race going that there is a responsibility to bring through the next generation. Countless studies have shown that youngsters benefit from a stable home life.

If people don't want kids - fine, but they'll still expect somebody else's to wipe their arse and clean up their puddles of piss when they're old and infirm.

This is a slippery slope fallacy. There will never be a time where women will stop wanting children in unison. We can't create fake problems that will never ever arise.

And if we're so worried about the human race, perhaps let's look at the effects of capitalism on the environment? But no, I'm sure the trillions of gallons of water required to keep AI data center afloat will work swimmingly, no pun intended. The West is doing great in that regard. Thank god for your civilization.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Lol! come on mate! This is a specious argument and I think you know it. This doesn't invalidate the fact that society, and I'm happy to re-define that to Western society has been constructed with the safety of women and the elites in mind. The main victims have always been other men. They've done the dying and suffering in the main. Laws actually place more of the burden on men, they are punished more for exactly the same crimes. You bring up Epstein, I'll show you countless female teachers sleeping with underage boys. Those in power have always taken advantage of those under their authority, it's the human condition, regardless of gender. For some reason in this era, some people want to infantilise women and remove their agency. It's laughable. If you truly believe the genders should be equal, then both have to be accountable and face same consequences for their mal-actions

Comparing a high school English teacher raping a student to world's elite running a sex trafficking ring and getting away with it despite all the evidence is definitely something. Newsflash, the female teachers you're talking about actually do jail time when caught. But yeah, my argument is specious.

 

[Federberg]

Woman kills female domestic partner. Just more evidence that both men and women are capable of evil. Let’s not make sinners of one gender and claim the other for sainthood. Given the opportunity for power humans do what humans do. Regardless of gender. The attempt to claim patriarchy is anything more than an evolutionary necessity is baseless

 

[Federberg]

Comparing a high school English teacher raping a student to world's elite running a sex trafficking ring and getting away with it despite all the evidence is definitely something. Newsflash, the female teachers you're talking about actually do jail time when caught. But yeah, my argument is specious.

Actually many of them don't do time at all. That's the tragedy of the whole thing. But your point about elites getting away with crimes ordinary folk don't? That's not patriarchy, that's just the privilege of wealth mate. That's genderless

 

[brokenshoelace]

Woman kills female domestic partner. Just more evidence that both men and women are capable of evil. Let’s not make sinners of one gender and claim the other for sainthood. Given the opportunity for power humans do what humans do. Regardless of gender. The attempt to claim patriarchy is anything more than an evolutionary necessity is baseless

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Ok sure, this was never in doubt. Obviously both are capable.

Question:

Who is much more likely to suffer from domestic violence, or be killed by a partner? Men or women?

How is this a talking point in 2026?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Actually many of them don't do time at all. That's the tragedy of the whole thing. But your point about elites getting away with crimes ordinary folk don't? That's not patriarchy, that's just the privilege of wealth mate. That's genderless

Ah just the privilege of great wealth...belonging largely to men. I'm sure that's a coincidence, not due to the world being designed by men, for men.

 

[brokenshoelace]

In the west, the vast majority of marriages aren't forced and are of mutual consent - I can't speak for other areas of the world where there are arranged marriages.

Most marriages aren't forced, in the West and elsewhere. Can't say the same about a terrified wife being forced to stay with her abusive husband and/or too terrified to go to the cops because she knows very well she won't be taken seriously...not to mention said cops may well be her husband's colleagues (ok sorry, couldn't resist).

Please let's not pretend this isn't way more common than it has any right to be in a modern, ostensibly civilized world.

 

[britbox]

Most marriages aren't forced, in the West and elsewhere. Can't say the same about a terrified wife being forced to stay with her abusive husband and/or too terrified to go to the cops because she knows very well she won't be taken seriously...not to mention said cops may well be her husband's colleagues (ok sorry, couldn't resist).

Please let's not pretend this isn't way more common than it has any right to be in a modern, ostensibly civilized world.

I doubt anybody would dispute that but most don't take the worst case scenarios as the happy medium - otherwise we probably wouldn't leave the house and/or be able to converse with anybody out of fear they might be a complete psychopath.

 

[Federberg]

Ok sure, this was never in doubt. Obviously both are capable.

Question:

Who is much more likely to suffer from domestic violence, or be killed by a partner? Men or women?

How is this a talking point in 2026?

actually it IS a talking point. Men are far less likely to report domestic violence. But the research is clear. In more than half the cases where women report domestic violence, the violence is actually mutual. Woman hits man repeatedly until the man is forced to push her away. The woman calls the police because she was pushed. Heard that particular story time and time again. Even the woman who first created shelters tells the story of her findings. Most of the women who sought shelter admitted that the violence was mutual. Unfortunately for the founder (in the 60s I believe) she partnered with feminist groups, who decided that the narrative would be better if only man on woman violence needed to be publicised. She was kicked out of her own organisation because she was more interested in the truth. Need I mention that the highest growth of domestic violence is in lesbian relationships? Apparently testosterone helps regulate emotions, hence men are more likely to maintain emotional control. But sure... it's a settled issue!

Men and women have different incentives to report violence, or even infidelity. Let's not factor that little nugget though

 

[brokenshoelace]

I doubt anybody would dispute that but most don't take the worst case scenarios as the happy medium - otherwise we probably wouldn't leave the house and/or be able to converse with anybody out of fear they might be a complete psychopath.

Sure, but it's very hard to acknowledge this without at least admitting to a huge downfall of the patriarchal hegemony.

 

[brokenshoelace]

actually it IS a talking point. Men are far less likely to report domestic violence. But the research is clear. In more than half the cases where women report domestic violence, the violence is actually mutual. Woman hits man repeatedly until the man is forced to push her away. The woman calls the police because she was pushed. Heard that particular story time and time again. Even the woman who first created shelters tells the story of her findings. Most of the women who sought shelter admitted that the violence was mutual. Unfortunately for the founder (in the 60s I believe) she partnered with feminist groups, who decided that the narrative would be better if only man on woman violence needed to be publicised. She was kicked out of her own organisation because she was more interested in the truth. Need I mention that the highest growth of domestic violence is in lesbian relationships? Apparently testosterone helps regulate emotions, hence men are more likely to maintain emotional control. But sure... it's a settled issue!

Men and women have different incentives to report violence, or even infidelity. Let's not factor that little nugget though

Literally everything you mentioned is anecdotal. The actual numbers are different and you know it.