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Next Gen ATP Finals,
Day 3,
Friday 19th December,
Starts at 2pm local time,
N.Basavareddy (6) vs J.Engel (8)

Not before 3pm,
A.Blockx (2) vs D.Prizmic (3)

Not before 7pm,
M.Landaluce (4) vs R.Jodar (7)
L.Tien (1) vs Budkov Kjaer (5)
I watched some of Jodar d. Lanaluce. I believe you told us, Margaret, that Jodar got it when someone else dropped out. He had a good tournament. I was sorry he didn't make it to the next round. He needed Tien to lose, or win in more than 4 sets, but Tien won in 4.

Side note for Spanish speakers, @shawnbm, for example. Jodar is a rather unfortunate surname, I should think. It's one letter off from "joder" which means "to f&ck."

Anyway, he and Landaluce are both from Madrid, and have played at the same club there since they were 9 years old. Also, he mentioned that Rafa was there watching the tennis. I haven't watched enough to see him there, but that makes sense, as he's there, anyway.
 

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I watched some of Jodar d. Lanaluce. I believe you told us, Margaret, that Jodar got it when someone else dropped out. He had a good tournament. I was sorry he didn't make it to the next round. He needed Tien to lose, or win in more than 4 sets, but Tien won in 4.

Side note for Spanish speakers, @shawnbm, for example. Jodar is a rather unfortunate surname, I should think. It's one letter off from "joder" which means "to f&ck."

Anyway, he and Landaluce are both from Madrid, and have played at the same club there since they were 9 years old. Also, he mentioned that Rafa was there watching the tennis. I haven't watched enough to see him there, but that makes sense, as he's there, anyway.
I saw Rafa watching the match between Jodar and Lanaluce earlier today
 
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Is Landaluce that kid who drew a cross and then lied down on it or something, when he won a main draw match on clay this spring?
 

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Is Landaluce that kid who drew a cross and then lied down on it or something, when he won a main draw match on clay this spring?
Not sure though if he is a good catholic I could see him drawing a cross on the clay :)
 

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Another impressive performance from Belgian and No 2 seed Blockz, who has dropped 2 sets all week,, big serving all week, 43 Aces in 4 matches he awaits the winner of the next SF between Tien or Basavareddy, their match has just started in the Next Gen ATP Finals
 
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No 1 seed Tien d Basavareddy (6) 62 41 43 to reach back to back finals at the ATP Next Gen Finals
Just the second player to reach multiple finals in this event ( after de Minaur in 2018, 2019)
 
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Nick Kyrgios given a wild card into Brisbane singles and he and Thanasi Kokkinakis will play doubles there.
 
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Sunday 21st December,
Next Gen ATP Final,
Starts at 8pm local time,

L.Tien (1) vs A.Blockx (2)
 

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Learner Tien is the 2025 Next Gen Finals Champion, defeating Blockx 43 42 41
That was the best performance Tien displayed all week in the final
Alexander Blockx is one to 'watch' as he has serious game.
 
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Learner Tien is the 2025 Next Gen Finals Champion, defeating Blockx 43 42 41
That was the best performance Tien displayed all week in the final
Alexander Blockx is one to 'watch' as he has serious game.
Blockx name is really spelt that way?! I hope he gets to be a huge star, we’ll have a lot of fun with his moniker…

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Blockx name is really spelt that way?! I hope he gets to be a huge star, we’ll have a lot of fun with his moniker
Yes that is the correct spelling, actually he was the first Belgian player to make the Next Gen Finals,.
 
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MM, do you think Chuck will approach Rafa or Fed about coaching him? Has either expressed any interest in coaching.
 

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MM, do you think Chuck will approach Rafa or Fed about coaching him? Has either expressed any interest in coaching.
Rafa appears to be enjoying his retirement with his young family, he would be an excellent mentor due to his character and understanding of the Spanish tennis system, Rafa's values, mental toughness and tactical insights would be highly beneficial for Alcaraz, I dont think Rafa would be interested in the extensive travel required for a coaching job, presently hasnt expressed any interest in coaching.

Roger since his retirement has remained active, with exhibition matches, and off court business ventures eg Laver Cup, there hasnt been any indication from, Roger he is interested in pursing a coaching career. Federer and Alcaraz do have a good relationship having practiced together, Roger like Rafa would bring great tactical insights into Alcaraz game.

A few people have tossed around David Ferrer, DC Captain
Carlos Moya is another, though I dont know if Moyer would want to have the extensive travel which is required after coaching Rafa.

Samual Lopez remains his coach, until they can find a suitable replacement for JCF.
 
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Merry Christmas, everyone. Here's a little Christmas gift - an overview of new Next Gen champion Learner Tien. Initially this was just going to be a brief shout-out, but I started looking stuff up and, well, here you go. Tien just turned 20 and is one of the better young players on tour right now.

Next Gen Champion(s)
Tien became the 8th winner of the Next Gen Finals, joining Hyeon Chung (2017), Stefanos Tsitsipas (2018), Jannik Sinner (2019), Carlos Alcaraz (2021), Brandon Nakashima (2022), Hamad Medjodovic (2023), and Joao Fonseca (2024). He's also the first guy to be the runner-up one year and then win it the next (Alex De Minaur was the runner-up in 2018 and '19, but never won it).

Now obviously there isn't a clear correlation between winning the Next Gen Finals and what sort of career they'll have, but that's a pretty nice list. You might remember Chung from his SF run in the 2018 Australian Open where he retired vs. Roger due to injury, but not before beating Medvedev, Zverev, and Djokovic. Chung reached #19 in April that year, but then saw his career derailed due to injuries. He played a few matches in 2020, then missed all of 2021-22, before playing a few in 2023-24, and seems to be trying to make a comeback, playing a full Challenger schedule in 2025 (going 37-22 overall). He won a few Futures but no Challengers in 2025. He is 29, so not sure how far he can go with his comeback, but it would be nice to see him at least return to the ATP tour.

We all know Tsitsipas, Sinner, and Alcaraz, and we're getting to know Fonseca. Nakashima is a guy that I know Andy Roddick likes, but he cheers for all of the Americans. He did reach the top 30 in 2025 and won an ATP 250 back in 2022, but at 24 he's looking like a career journeyman. Medjokovic seems to be in a similar boat.

Tien Career Overview
Tien went 76-23 in his ITF junior career, including two Slam runners up in 2023 and a ITF #4 ranking that year. Tien dipped into the pro circuits in 2022, playing mostly Futures but made his ATP tour debut in 2022 at age 16 (born in December of 2005) when he lost in the 1st round of the US Open to #36 Miomir Kecmanovic, though took a set off of him. He went 12-11 overall that year in pro tournaments. In 2023, he won some Futures and again lost in the 1st round of the US Open, this time to Frances Tiafoe, going a robust 30-10 overall. In 2024, he played mostly Challengers, winning three. But he lost in the 1R of the US Open, though won his first ATP level matches by reaching the QF of Winston-Salem. He went an excellent 63-14 overall, or 3-2 on the ATP tour.

2025 was his first full season on the ATP Tour and he went 43-26 overall, 36-24 in ATP level matches. He started the year strongly by reaching the R16 of the Australian Open, including a memorable defeat of Daniil Medvedev in R64 before losing to Lorenzo Sonego. He then beat Cameron Norrie and Alexander Zverev in Acapulco before losing to Tomas Machac in the QF. He didn't do so well clay season, going 1-7, though won a couple of qualies. He fared much better in the second half, including victories over Ben Shelton, Andrey Rublev, and Lorenzo Musetti. He also reached the final of the China Open, losing to Jannik Sinner. This run was capped by winning his first title, beating Cameron Norrie for the Moselle Open in November, then winning the Next Gen Finals.

In other words, so far it seems like Tien is weak on clay, but good on hards and grass, especially indoor hards. He also ended strong, which bodes well for next year. He finishes 2025 at #28, and just turned 20 a couple weeks ago. He's 41-30 overall on the ATP Tour, with one ATP 250 title and a best Slam result of the R16. Not bad for a first full ATP season.

2026 Outlook
Given that Tien finished so strongly, I expect him to continue rising up the ranks in 2026. He has a nice trajectory in the rankings: #860 in 2022, #452 in 2023, #122 in 2024, and #28 in 2025. I think he's likely to at least reach and stabilize in the top 20, though reaching the top 10 will be more of a challenge (as a general rule, I see the gap between 10-20 to be somewhat similar to that of 20-50 or 50-100).

I think Tien has a good chance of multiple low level titles and a good candidate to win an ATP 500, though still a darkhorse for a Masters. But look for him at the hardcourt Masters - the Sunshine Double and perhaps more so, the US and Asian tours late net year, as well as Paris. I think he's also likely to have a breakout Slam performance - with a QF possible at one of the non-clay Slams.

Tien finished 2025 as the third highest ranked under 22 player, behind Jakub Mensik (#19) and Joao Fonseca (#24), and ahead of Alex Michelsen (#38) and Arthur Fils (#40). Fils missed a lot of time with injury, but I'd group Tien with Mensik and Fils as a likely future "second tier" player and an outside chance of becoming elite. He hasn't shown awe-inspiring ability yet, like Mensik did in Miami or Fils has at times, but he's a solid overall player. In a way, he reminds me a bit of a "baby Nadal": strong defense that wears down opponents, but sneaky offense with lots of topspin. Oh, he's a southpaw too. He'll probably need to improve his weak serve to be an elite player, so keep an eye on that.

I think he's got a pretty high floor: Probably something like Gilles Simon or Roberto Bautista Agut - players who won a dozen or more lower level titles, spent a lot of time in the top 20 and peaked just inside the top 10, and made a couple Slam QFs/SFs. You could also put Alex De Minaur in a similar category, though his story isn't yet fully written and I suspect has a Masters title in his future. His ceiling might be Daniil Medvedev, which would be pretty darn good. When people think of Medvedev, it is hard not to focus on his 1-5 record in Slam titles, but overall he's one of the better one-Slam winners in Open Era history, alongside players like Muster, Chang, Ivanisevic, Roddick, and Del Potro. In fact, in my various system he is the best single-Slam player. He's also got Chang as his coach, which is probably a good thing.

In summary, Tien is a very promising young player - if not quite in the hype class as Fonseca, then in the next tier alongside Mensik and Fils. He's a player to watch in 2026.
 

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Merry Christmas, everyone. Here's a little Christmas gift - an overview of new Next Gen champion Learner Tien. Initially this was just going to be a brief shout-out, but I started looking stuff up and, well, here you go. Tien just turned 20 and is one of the better young players on tour right now.

Next Gen Champion(s)
Tien became the 8th winner of the Next Gen Finals, joining Hyeon Chung (2017), Stefanos Tsitsipas (2018), Jannik Sinner (2019), Carlos Alcaraz (2021), Brandon Nakashima (2022), Hamad Medjodovic (2023), and Joao Fonseca (2024). He's also the first guy to be the runner-up one year and then win it the next (Alex De Minaur was the runner-up in 2018 and '19, but never won it).

Now obviously there isn't a clear correlation between winning the Next Gen Finals and what sort of career they'll have, but that's a pretty nice list. You might remember Chung from his SF run in the 2018 Australian Open where he retired vs. Roger due to injury, but not before beating Medvedev, Zverev, and Djokovic. Chung reached #19 in April that year, but then saw his career derailed due to injuries. He played a few matches in 2020, then missed all of 2021-22, before playing a few in 2023-24, and seems to be trying to make a comeback, playing a full Challenger schedule in 2025 (going 37-22 overall). He won a few Futures but no Challengers in 2025. He is 29, so not sure how far he can go with his comeback, but it would be nice to see him at least return to the ATP tour.

We all know Tsitsipas, Sinner, and Alcaraz, and we're getting to know Fonseca. Nakashima is a guy that I know Andy Roddick likes, but he cheers for all of the Americans. He did reach the top 30 in 2025 and won an ATP 250 back in 2022, but at 24 he's looking like a career journeyman. Medjokovic seems to be in a similar boat.

Tien Career Overview
Tien went 76-23 in his ITF junior career, including two Slam runners up in 2023 and a ITF #4 ranking that year. Tien dipped into the pro circuits in 2022, playing mostly Futures but made his ATP tour debut in 2022 at age 16 (born in December of 2005) when he lost in the 1st round of the US Open to #36 Miomir Kecmanovic, though took a set off of him. He went 12-11 overall that year in pro tournaments. In 2023, he won some Futures and again lost in the 1st round of the US Open, this time to Frances Tiafoe, going a robust 30-10 overall. In 2024, he played mostly Challengers, winning three. But he lost in the 1R of the US Open, though won his first ATP level matches by reaching the QF of Winston-Salem. He went an excellent 63-14 overall, or 3-2 on the ATP tour.

2025 was his first full season on the ATP Tour and he went 43-26 overall, 36-24 in ATP level matches. He started the year strongly by reaching the R16 of the Australian Open, including a memorable defeat of Daniil Medvedev in R64 before losing to Lorenzo Sonego. He then beat Cameron Norrie and Alexander Zverev in Acapulco before losing to Tomas Machac in the QF. He didn't do so well clay season, going 1-7, though won a couple of qualies. He fared much better in the second half, including victories over Ben Shelton, Andrey Rublev, and Lorenzo Musetti. He also reached the final of the China Open, losing to Jannik Sinner. This run was capped by winning his first title, beating Cameron Norrie for the Moselle Open in November, then winning the Next Gen Finals.

In other words, so far it seems like Tien is weak on clay, but good on hards and grass, especially indoor hards. He also ended strong, which bodes well for next year. He finishes 2025 at #28, and just turned 20 a couple weeks ago. He's 41-30 overall on the ATP Tour, with one ATP 250 title and a best Slam result of the R16. Not bad for a first full ATP season.

2026 Outlook
Given that Tien finished so strongly, I expect him to continue rising up the ranks in 2026. He has a nice trajectory in the rankings: #860 in 2022, #452 in 2023, #122 in 2024, and #28 in 2025. I think he's likely to at least reach and stabilize in the top 20, though reaching the top 10 will be more of a challenge (as a general rule, I see the gap between 10-20 to be somewhat similar to that of 20-50 or 50-100).

I think Tien has a good chance of multiple low level titles and a good candidate to win an ATP 500, though still a darkhorse for a Masters. But look for him at the hardcourt Masters - the Sunshine Double and perhaps more so, the US and Asian tours late net year, as well as Paris. I think he's also likely to have a breakout Slam performance - with a QF possible at one of the non-clay Slams.

Tien finished 2025 as the third highest ranked under 22 player, behind Jakub Mensik (#19) and Joao Fonseca (#24), and ahead of Alex Michelsen (#38) and Arthur Fils (#40). Fils missed a lot of time with injury, but I'd group Tien with Mensik and Fils as a likely future "second tier" player and an outside chance of becoming elite. He hasn't shown awe-inspiring ability yet, like Mensik did in Miami or Fils has at times, but he's a solid overall player. In a way, he reminds me a bit of a "baby Nadal": strong defense that wears down opponents, but sneaky offense with lots of topspin. Oh, he's a southpaw too. He'll probably need to improve his weak serve to be an elite player, so keep an eye on that.

I think he's got a pretty high floor: Probably something like Gilles Simon or Roberto Bautista Agut - players who won a dozen or more lower level titles, spent a lot of time in the top 20 and peaked just inside the top 10, and made a couple Slam QFs/SFs. You could also put Alex De Minaur in a similar category, though his story isn't yet fully written and I suspect has a Masters title in his future. His ceiling might be Daniil Medvedev, which would be pretty darn good. When people think of Medvedev, it is hard not to focus on his 1-5 record in Slam titles, but overall he's one of the better one-Slam winners in Open Era history, alongside players like Muster, Chang, Ivanisevic, Roddick, and Del Potro. In fact, in my various system he is the best single-Slam player. He's also got Chang as his coach, which is probably a good thing.

In summary, Tien is a very promising young player - if not quite in the hype class as Fonseca, then in the next tier alongside Mensik and Fils. He's a player to watch in 2026.
Tien needs to improve his first serve, focusing on increasing pace, improving accuracy and reducing his double faults it is still a primary concern for his game.
Actually the Belgian player Blockx the R/U is a young player to watch, for the future, he has game, I was impressed.( Blockx is playing a challenger tournament in Tasmania in 2026)
 
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David Goffin wont be at the AO in 2026 he still has discomfort in his knee and is taking the extra time to heal.
 

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In a video statement released December 26th,
" Draper said he and his team have decided not to head to Melbourne for the first GS of 2026"
Concerning that his left arm injury which has sidelined Draper since Wimbledon in July has still not 'healed".
It makes sense that Draper wants to avoid BO5 sets immediately after being sidelined since July.
( the update comes days after Draper was filmed appearing to tell fans that he would be playing in Australia)
 
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That's really too bad about Draper. He seemed poised to establish himself as the "best of the rest" - he certainly was in the first half of last year. Hopefully this is just precautionary and not signs of a chronic problem.