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Thanks for checking my math.
Don't be mad at me. Most people would not care to check the actual figures of accumulated inflation (or even grasp the concept to begin with). I really (and simply) thought: "nice, she actually checked the numbers". It was not condescending in any way.
My actual point, though, was the one above. Federberg (who posted it, not Kieran)
I mentioned Kieran regarding the 30 billion difference, that he mentioned in this post
 
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Don't be mad at me. Most people would not care to check the actual figures of accumulated inflation (or even grasp the concept to begin with). I really (and simply) thought: "nice, she actually checked the numbers". It was not condescending in any way.

I mentioned Kieran regarding the 30 billion difference, that he mentioned in this post
I'm not mad and I didn't think for a minute you were being condescending. It's a quick check of years and an and inflation calculator on the internet. I gave the benefit of the doubt to Bloomberg's last year in office. But he was in for 12 years, so who knows? The OP preferred to go with the big difference, without even mentioning that there would be an adjustment for inflation. A bit sneaky, IMO.

EDIT: Actually, a deeper dive into it shows that the 2013 budget was presented at just under $65bn, but eventually came in at $74bn, which, modified for inflation is $102.91bn in 2025 dollars. Which is now only the cost of a couple of luxury buildings purchased, plus dinners at Le Bernadin and a residence at the Aman Hotel, for billionaires, in terms of the budget difference. What's $17bn amongst friends?

Re-EDIT: I just checked. The fiscal budget for NYC in 2025 is $112.4bn. So the difference is under $10bn. Not nearly as shocking. And that really didn't take much googling.

PPS: @Federberg: I realize you got your numbers from Fareed Zakaria, so he's the sneaky one. You could have been a bit less naive about taking them on face-value, though. And I still don't see what that has to do with Socialism.
 
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Because he left us with a deficit, which Bloomberg turned into a surplus. Giuliani was a Republican. So my question still stands: where's the "socialism" in all of this?
are you associating deficits with socialism? For the record there are two ways to get a surplus, increase revenues or cut spending. What did Giuliani do? Not that it's particularly relevant, but I'm genuinely interested
 

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A bit sneaky, IMO.
It IS sneaky, but that's what people have been doing. There are things far worst than that around the internet.

Not that the person who made the video would know this, but, as I said, it is ironic to adjust government spending by inflation, since that one of the big inflation drivers is increased government spending (that impact taxes that impact prices).
 
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are you associating deficits with socialism? For the record there are two ways to get a surplus, increase revenues or cut spending. What did Giuliani do? Not that it's particularly relevant, but I'm genuinely interested
It was Bloomberg who got the surplus, and he did it by raising property taxes. (Which in NYC is mainly a tax on the wealthy.)

I'm not the one who brought up socialism in relation to the increase in the NYC budget over the years since Bloomberg, (which turns out not to be as vast as Zakaria would have had you believe.) That was you, and I'm still curious which "socialist" you're referring to.
 

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It was Bloomberg who got the surplus, and he did it by raising property taxes. (Which in NYC is mainly a tax on the wealthy.)

I'm not the one who brought up socialism in relation to the increase in the NYC budget over the years since Bloomberg, (which turns out not to be as vast as Zakaria would have had you believe.) That was you, and I'm still curious which "socialist" you're referring to.
a clarification that's as clear as mud! I'll assume you won't answer my question about what Giuliani did, which is typical :D My point is that the increase in expenditure, State creep is par for the course with socialists, I didn't and don't feel the need to identify specific politicians to validate that point.
 

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a clarification that's as clear as mud! I'll assume you won't answer my question about what Giuliani did, which is typical :D My point is that the increase in expenditure, State creep is par for the course with socialists, I didn't and don't feel the need to identify specific politicians to validate that point.
Why does this need to be so aggressive and unhelpful? You asked me why I mentioned Giuliani, even though he preceded Bloomie, and I told you why. I don't know what you want me to tell you about the entire Giuliani administration. If you like, you can forget I mentioned it.

As to the socialism, I guess you mean social services, then, as part of the budget? You really weren't clear enough about that.
 

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Why does this need to be so aggressive and unhelpful? You asked me why I mentioned Giuliani, even though he preceded Bloomie, and I told you why. I don't know what you want me to tell you about the entire Giuliani administration. If you like, you can forget I mentioned it.

As to the socialism, I guess you mean social services, then, as part of the budget? You really weren't clear enough about that.
lol! It's truly fascinating watching you work. Any rational person looking at my response wouldn't characterise it as aggressive and unhelpful. I actually answered your question, you didn't answer mine. You asked me who was the socialist I was referring to, I responded that it isn't necessary to specify a politician, all I need to do is look at the growth in spending. I also pointed out, by the way, that deficits can happen in two ways, increased spending or reduced revenue collection (i.e., taxes). And before you come back at me, I framed it in terms of surpluses at the time, but with basic common sense you can flip it around. My reason for asking about Giuliani, was to find out if he increased the deficit was it because he increased spending or cut taxes. A reasonable question which you wouldn't answer. Gaslight much?

Oh and good luck trying to manufacture a narrative about me being unclear. Sometimes you simply don't understand simple questions. That's not my fault :D
 
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lol! It's truly fascinating watching you work. Any rational person looking at my response wouldn't characterise it as aggressive and unhelpful. I actually answered your question, you didn't answer mine. You asked me who was the socialist I was referring to, I responded that it isn't necessary to specify a politician, all I need to do is look at the growth in spending. I also pointed out, by the way, that deficits can happen in two ways, increased spending or reduced revenue collection (i.e., taxes). And before you come back at me, I framed it in terms of surpluses at the time, but with basic common sense you can flip it around. My reason for asking about Giuliani, was to find out if he increased the deficit was it because he increased spending or cut taxes. A reasonable question which you wouldn't answer. Gaslight much?

Oh and good luck trying to manufacture a narrative about me being unclear. Sometimes you simply don't understand simple questions. That's not my fault :D
It took you 3 posts to answer my question about what socialist you were talking about, and the first time you've actually been clear was above. You are passively aggressively brief all the time, then occasionally come through, as above, when pressed. But you're always nasty about it. No one's "gaslighting" you. Paranoid much?
 

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Some Democrats in Congress, (all ex-military and intelligence) got together on a video to remind members of the military that they are not obligated to follow orders that go against the law. Trump called this "sedition" on social media, and said they should be executed. Executed! (No wonder he's such a fan of the king of Saudi Arabia.) The reason for the video has a lot to do with concerns within the ranks about military in US streets, and the fact that Trump has ordered boats from Venezuela be blown up, without proof that they are carrying drugs. In fact, several innocent people have been mistakenly killed this way. These are crimes.

Not even a year into his regime. I don't really know how we're going to get through 3+ more with our Constitution intact.
 
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It took you 3 posts to answer my question about what socialist you were talking about, and the first time you've actually been clear was above. You are passively aggressively brief all the time, then occasionally come through, as above, when pressed. But you're always nasty about it. No one's "gaslighting" you. Paranoid much?
ok let's have some fun with this...

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so you respond with the following..

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so I'm a bit confused, Giuliani? Why would you include a Republican mayor from way back in the day...

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so you respond with this, but you don't clarify if Giuliani was a big spender or tax cutter. It's relevant...

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your focusing on deficits and surpluses is getting strange to me, because it seems like you're associating that with socialism. I again try to clarify. How can I answer properly if I don't understand what you're going on about. No doubt at this point you think you're "winning", to me this is just an exchange of views gone wrong, but ah well :D

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again you respond, but never with the information requested to enable me to properly respond. Notice how instead of answering about Giuliani, you went to Bloomberg? It's like you think actually exchanging information means you're losing. We're not in high school ffs :D

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at this point I'm starting to understand the game. But I still try to explain myself...

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and now we see it, you go into full victim mode. I'm aggressive blah blah blah.. And your claim about answering about Giuliani? Please show me where? Are you unaware or just being difficult? It's weird...

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anyway.. I thought the whole thing was hilarious. If you can't see that in order to respond fully to your question I needed to understand what the disconnect was, then... well... :facepalm::face-with-tears-of-joy:
 

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This is too easy, seriously.

This woman is a Congresswoman who once taught us this gem below.
“Law enforcement isn’t to prevent crime, law enforcement solves crime, ok? That is what they are supposed to do, they are supposed to solve crime, not necessarily prevent them from happening.”

This is Congressman Jasmine Crockett (D), pronouns She/Her/Ella:



Here she is again, Kamala-ing her way into parody and complete irrelevance, other than to people who think truth doesn’t matter:

 

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This is too easy, seriously.

This woman is a Congresswoman who once taught us this gem below.


Here she is again, Kamala-ing her way into parody and complete irrelevance, other than to people who think truth doesn’t matter:


hmmm... about the first bit... thinking about it... doesn't she have a point though, about law enforcement? I think law enforcement is meant to enforce the law, if they have a visible enough presence then perhaps they can deter crime. But the truth is crime is going to crime, police are supposed to find the criminals and get them off the street. I don't think she was that out of pocket with that statement
 

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hmmm... about the first bit... thinking about it... doesn't she have a point though, about law enforcement? I think law enforcement is meant to enforce the law, if they have a visible enough presence then perhaps they can deter crime. But the truth is crime is going to crime, police are supposed to find the criminals and get them off the street. I don't think she was that out of pocket with that statement
I agree to an extent with what you’re saying, after the fact, crime needs to be investigated, but you’re saying it practically, and you’re not saying what she says when she says that they’re “not necessarily there to prevent crimes happening.”

But yes they absolutely are. This is the first part of enforcing the law is to stop criminals when there see them breaking the law. This is why the police carry weapons. A bloke about to shoot someone? They can’t just sit back and wait until it happens. If somebody breaks into my home, they need to try stop anything they’re doing in my house, instead of waiting for them to finish.

She has an agenda, you just know she’s got all the wrong ideas about race and crime and policing, and I suspect I could tell you what she thinks about all the hot button topics that activate the left, without looking it up…
 

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The level of incompetence in this administration seems to be plumbing new depths. The Comey and James cases thrown out, and I think Comey has a great chance of no further attempts as one can argue that the statute of limitations has now passed. And then there's the Senator Kelly thing. There is nothing illegal about suggesting that the military should not accept illegal orders. What is Hegseth thinking?? So embarrassing!
 
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The level of incompetence in this administration seems to be plumbing new depths. The Comey and James cases thrown out, and I think Comey has a great chance of no further attempts as one can argue that the statute of limitations has now passed.
That's true that the statute of limitations has expired, which is why they rushed to get a DA who would even agree to prosecute it, since one had already refused. If the judge has any backbone, she should throw it out on the grounds that Trump was speficially ordering it, which is illegal. That notion that we have an independent judiciary under him is a complete farce.
And then there's the Senator Kelly thing. There is nothing illegal about suggesting that the military should not accept illegal orders. What is Hegseth thinking?? So embarrassing!
Hegseth...are you kidding? He doesn't have a thought in his fluffy little head other than do what Trump says, and Trump called them seditionists and traitors. Because he truly believes that the military has to do whatever he says, illegal or not. And he's already been asking them to do illegal things. That's why he flipped out over it.
 
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This is too easy, seriously.

This woman is a Congresswoman who once taught us this gem below.


Here she is again, Kamala-ing her way into parody and complete irrelevance, other than to people who think truth doesn’t matter:


I've tried, but I can't get the sound to play on the first part of the video, so I'm not sure what you and Federberg are debating. I thought you posted it because you were pissed that you discovered that she can code switch, only chooses not to. :lol3:
 

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Trump is still trying to roll over Ukraine (and, frankly Europe,) and give Putin everything he wants. Credit to Rubio who seems sincerely to be trying to salvage something out of these talks. But he's hampered by Trump.

Trump will never be the person to resolve this. He's too far up Putin's fundament. And he has no respect for NATO, and thus ignores the interests of Europe in this war. Europe will have to do it alone, which may mean sending troops. The US has already said that it has broken its alliance, so it can't get worse when the US refuses to help. Otherwise, this just keeps going. Ukraine is valiantly trying to hold its own, but Putin will never give up until he gets what he wants. I don't see that sanctions are doing anything.
 
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I've tried, but I can't get the sound to play on the first part of the video, so I'm not sure what you and Federberg are debating. I thought you posted it because you were pissed that you discovered that she can code switch, only chooses not to. :lol3:
Code switch? :lulz1:

She’s pandering to the race addicts, she’s become a meme, like Kamala, not a serious politician…
 

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Code switch? :lulz1:

She’s pandering to the race addicts, she’s become a meme, like Kamala, not a serious politician…
I honestly don't know what you mean. I certainly don't understand the comparison to Harris. You understand what code-switching is, right?

Anyway, surely we have bigger fish to fry. What do you care about a woman who represents the 30th District in Texas?
 
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