UK Politics Thread

[Federberg]

I think with Identity politics the seductive part is that it’s simplistic: if we deal with groups, merely, and deny the individuality of everybody within the group, it’s a shortcut to making a bigger plan work: the bigger plan being to treat everybody the same. By disregarding that they’re actually not all the same?

But when we add in the other feature of undying Marxism, that if inequality is caused by oppression, then therefore the actions of successful people are evidence if oppression, and the ones who aren’t successful are obviously oppressed, according to the equation, and…uh..wuh…I’ve got a headache trying to think about it.

Minorities can’t be racist because of power dynamics? Is that it? And women can’t be violent towards men, because women are oppressed? And men are oppressers? Therefore any violence by women on men…is men’s fault?!

well.. not so much fault, but they'll claim they're justified. A minority can be racist, it goes, because they're oppressed, therefore their racism is justified. The supreme irony of course is that the very people who claim to be oppressed, will resist with all their might when you the oppressor make generalisations about their identity group. No! They'll say, you're being misgynist, or racist, or whatever other -ism. You see, you're NOT allowed to generalise about them. Even if their entire philosophy requires them to generalise about you. Make it make sense!

 

[Federberg]

I really really hope this is a joke, but I’ve heard too many stories

 

[Kieran]

I really really hope this is a joke, but I’ve heard too many stories

Not a joke, unfortunately. I don’t know why there has been such a fetish for allowing so much immigration into Western Europe, especially from countries which are, let’s say, “troubled.”

But you’re right, they’re treated differently, and the indigenous folk are bigots for even wondering WTF is going on.

Here’s our former and soon again to be a Taoiseach (prime minister) giving a wholly vacuous and inconsiderate reply to the question of why a man from Guyana with multiple convictions for rape and imprisonment in the UK was allowed to enter our country, and falsely imprison and rape a woman.

His answer is the text book “I couldn’t give a f**k” reply of politicians everywhere.

 

[Kieran]

I really really hope this is a joke, but I’ve heard too many stories

To your point:

 

[Federberg]

This is the UK folks.. it’s real.

 

[Kieran]

This is the UK folks.. it’s real.

It’s crazy. When people disagree, they’re far right. It’s a labelling device to marginalise them as Nazis. You often see it on Question Time, and they’ll introduce the panel like, “our panel tonight is, Danny Smudge, who writes for the Guardian, Dame Selina Poshtottie, editor at the Red Flag, Basil Ratface, actor and activist, not necessarily in that order!, and Douglas Murray, right wing commentator who doesn’t agree with us and so don’t say you haven’t been warned..”

They feel they don’t have to warn us about the left wingers, because they’re a default, somehow..

 

[Federberg]

^I tell you mate it's got to the point now that I take any -ism thrown against me as a badge of honour. Not because I believe it. But it tells me I'm not one of the labellers! It's weak, it's herd mentality. I've always loathed those who like to lose themselves in the crowd, cowards...

 

[Federberg]

 

[Federberg]

 

[Federberg]

State of Britain. You can fly a Palestinian flag or whatever other country and that’s fine. But if you fly a Union Jack it’s far right politics and threatening . When did it get so twisted??

 

[Kieran]

State of Britain. You can fly a Palestinian flag or whatever other country and that’s fine. But if you fly a Union Jack it’s far right politics and threatening . When did it get so twisted??

I don’t even understand what law is being broken or who this is supposed to harm. The waving of the Palestinian flag is stomach churning and astounding, given the rhetoric that accompanies, but this?

 

[Federberg]

 

[Federberg]

No words

 

[Kieran]

No words

Like I say, hard to tell if it’s a parody or if it’s real, with the left. Tends to be real, but looks so much like a parody that all the former parody creators are unemployed…

 

[Federberg]

Like I say, hard to tell if it’s a parody or if it’s real, with the left. Tends to be real, but looks so much like a parody that all the former parody creators are unemployed…

yes agreed. I'm starting to wonder if it's a TikTok thing. But the sad thing is it's so easy to believe.

 

[Kieran]

yes agreed. I'm starting to wonder if it's a TikTok thing. But the sad thing is it's so easy to believe.

I think it’s too common to be a TikTok thing, and of course, the bad ideas are so mainstream among them that is easier to think it’s true..

 

[britbox]

I don't know if either of you two have been watching any of the Vlogs by Charlie Veitch and Billy Moore in Liverpool and Manchester over the last few months but you get the sense that things are really ramping up to some major violent confrontations.

There seems to be a hardcore of really radical left wing fascists masquerading as anti-fascists who have demonised almost everybody to the right of Stalin as "far-right".

 

[Kieran]

I don't know if either of you two have been watching any of the Vlogs by Charlie Veitch and Billy Moore in Liverpool and Manchester over the last few months but you get the sense that things are really ramping up to some major violent confrontations.

There seems to be a hardcore of really radical left wing fascists masquerading as anti-fascists who have demonised almost everybody to the right of Stalin as "far-right".

It’s scary. The left are generally into their violence. You see them everywhere. Self righteous, squeaking and swinging a bludgeon. The demonising has been going on forever. It becomes an irritating exercise in futility trying to get them off that track, and into somewhere that they actually explain what they believe. There’s definitely a sense of upheaval in the air, can feel it in Ireland too. If we don’t display a mono-thought view of things, it sparks hysteria. What you’re talking about though sounds more organised and designed to overthrow…

 

[Horsa]

No words

I get your outrage & agree with it. The funny thing is that Scots can & do fly their flags with pride (which is a good thing) whereas the English can't & don't & that goes for the Union Jack too.

 

[Federberg]

I get your outrage & agree with it. The funny thing is that Scots can & do fly their flags with pride (which is a good thing) whereas the English can't & don't & that goes for the Union Jack too.

That's correct. The philosophy of identity politics promotes the thesis that those supposedly in power or higher up in the hierarchy are not allowed to show pride in who they are. For example..

• men cannot have men only spaces, or celebrate male strength, but women can have these things
• whites cannot have white only spaces, or celebrate white achievements, but blacks can have these things
• similarly the English, as the dominant nation in the United Kingdom cannot fly their flags, but Scots, or Irish, or frankly anyone else can

It's absurd. But until the whole ideology is repudiated and eliminated root and branch, this nonsense will persist sadly

And by the way, anyone claiming this isn't all that serious should check out reports on single women in America who are increasingly aborting specifically male babies, or at the very least going on social media and stating that intent. We're in a very very bad place!