US Politics Thread

[Front242]

ok... how is this worse than Trump? One is just a politician with a passing relationship with the truth. The other is a sociopath who lies even when the truth would be sufficient. One was asked to hand back classified documents and did so immediately. The other resisted and hid stuff. If you want to say they're both as bad as each other (factually incorrect) it would be acceptable. I'm not even fighting the Biden case as much as I'm trying to point out to you that Trump is at least as bad.

Let me ask the question that I don't think I've actually asked. Forget about Biden... do you think that Trump is fully functioning?

I never said Trump was a saint. In fact I said they're both complete clowns. That it boils down to these two out of the whole US is absolutely beyond comprehension and embarrassing. Trump is old too and clearly they both fuck up in public speeches, but it's a no brainer who's worse in that regard. The reason many are hoping Trump wins is a safer world as a result as I've said many times now. Even Orban calls him the president of peace. Biden is the polar opposite.

 

[Federberg]

I never said Trump was a saint. In fact I said they're both complete clowns. That it boils down to these two out of the whole US is absolutely beyond comprehension and embarrassing. Trump is old too and clearly they both fuck up in public speeches, but it's a no brainer who's worse in that regard. The reason many are hoping Trump wins is a safer world as a result as I've said many times now. Even Orban calls him the president of peace. Biden is the polar opposite.

Even Orban? You do know that Orban, much like Erdogan, Modi and Netanyahu, has dismantled a lot of the democratic checks and balances in Hungary. Not sure why you would promote him as something aspirational.

Your thesis of Trump being safer as an anti-neocon is flawed. This is the sort of Neville Chamberlain type stuff that gave Hitler the confidence do invade his European neighbours. I'm no neocon but I heavily endorse the theory of peace through strength. Pussies aren't going to inherit the earth mate

 

[Front242]

Next you'll be trying to convince me the US and Ukraine are democracies...

 

[Federberg]

^lol! I wouldn't even try. For the same reason I wouldn't waste my energy trying to convince a flat earther. I'm always happy to discuss the quality of democracy, that I can do..

 

[Front242]

^lol! I wouldn't even try. For the same reason I wouldn't waste my energy trying to convince a flat earther. I'm always happy to discuss the quality of democracy, that I can do..

I've no problem with discussing quality of democracy either. The US used to be more democratic but anyone who calls the witch hunt on Trump democratic needs a reality check. Likewise Zelenskyy's banning of opposition parties is hardly democratic now is it ?!

 

[Federberg]

I've no problem with discussing quality of democracy either. The US used to be more democratic but anyone who calls the witch hunt on Trump democratic needs a reality check. Likewise Zelenskyy's banning of opposition parties is hardly democratic now is it ?!

witch hunt? You think the classified documents thing is a witch hunt? You think asking Georgia to change the vote is a witch hunt? I'll agree with you on the Alvin Bragg thing. The rape thing he brought on himself, it's not actually rape but defamation... and frankly by his own words he grabbed her by the pussy. No I don't see a witch hunt. I see a guy who has delayed and delayed multiple court cases and may end up being hoist by his own petard because one or two of the serious ones might actually get decided before the election.

I find it hard to feel sorry for a guy who has destroyed people who he has perceived as threats like the FBI guy whose pension was taken away from him. That's not a democracy issue. In fact I'll go as far as saying that the fact that he hasn't been judged on the classified documents case and Jan 6th is awful for democracy. Awful!

Democrats are such sanctimonious pussies that Garland wasted time setting up the Jan 6th case. That should have been priority number one when he was sworn in. I'm disgusted by him

 

[Front242]

witch hunt? You think the classified documents thing is a witch hunt? You think asking Georgia to change the vote is a witch hunt? I'll agree with you on the Alvin Bragg thing. The rape thing he brought on himself, it's not actually rape but defamation... and frankly by his own words he grabbed her by the pussy. No I don't see a witch hunt. I see a guy who has delayed and delayed multiple court cases and may end up being hoist by his own petard because one or two of the serious ones might actually get decided before the election.

I find it hard to feel sorry for a guy who has destroyed people who he has perceived as threats like the FBI guy whose pension was taken away from him. That's not a democracy issue. In fact I'll go as far as saying that the fact that he hasn't been judged on the classified documents case and Jan 6th is awful for democracy. Awful!

Democrats are such sanctimonious pussies that Garland wasted time setting up the Jan 6th case. That should have been priority number one when he was sworn in. I'm disgusted by him

Perfectly fine though to let poor senile old Biden off the hook with his charges. Is that a democracy to you? Well of course democrats are pussies and pussies with no conscience allowing needless deaths in all the countries they supply weapons to to bolster the arms industry which is more important to them than human life. Most decent ppl want no part of that. For the record, Nikki Haley is a warmongering pos too as has been said before. I thought it was 113 or so charges against Trump but haven't the time to check and most search results are saying 91 charges. Regardless, if that's not a witch hunt I dunno what is...

Also you stated "I find it hard to feel sorry for a guy who has destroyed people who he has perceived as threats". What the hell do you call trying to get Trump locked up for 91 charges unless he's a perceived threat or is that not classed as destroying someone to you ?

 

[Federberg]

Perfectly fine though to let poor senile old Biden off the hook with his charges. Is that a democracy to you? Well of course democrats are pussies and pussies with no conscience allowing needless deaths in all the countries they supply weapons to to bolster the arms industry which is more important to them than human life. Most decent ppl want no part of that. For the record, Nikki Haley is a warmongering pos too as has been said before. I thought it was 113 or so charges against Trump but haven't the time to check and most search results are saying 91 charges. Regardless, if that's not a witch hunt I dunno what is...

Also you stated "I find it hard to feel sorry for a guy who has destroyed people who he has perceived as threats". What the hell do you call trying to get Trump locked up for 91 charges unless he's a perceived threat or is that not classed as destroying someone to you ?

serious question... do you not understand the difference between the classified documents issues of Biden and Pence versus Trump? Let me explain... Biden and Pence immediately handed over the documents and gave the Feds access to find out if there were any more. Trump resisted, hid documents, lied and got his flunkies to lie. Do you not understand the difference? If you weren't aware of this that's ok? I'm just trying to get us on to the same page. This would never have been a thing if he had simply handed the documents back. I can't see how anyone else but him can be blamed for this

 

[Front242]

serious question... do you not understand the difference between the classified documents issues of Biden and Pence versus Trump? Let me explain... Biden and Pence immediately handed over the documents and gave the Feds access to find out if there were any more. Trump resisted, hid documents, lied and got his flunkies to lie. Do you not understand the difference? If you weren't aware of this that's ok? I'm just trying to get us on to the same page. This would never have been a thing if he had simply handed the documents back. I can't see how anyone else but him can be blamed for this

Trump got his flunkies to lie ? Your clown president here blamed his staff. Doesn't have the decency to own up to stealing the documents himself. You're too focused on the classified documents also, as I mentioned it clearly IS a witch hunt against Trump for a reason because he's a clear threat and hence why they have at least 91 charges against him.



Special Counsel calls Biden 'sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,' brings no charges. Yet yourself, Moxie and many of the Biden fans think he's as sharp as a knife. If he's not a senile old fart then he's responsible for taking the documents and should own up to it but he's blaming his staff the sad, old fart. How do you know Biden didn't hide them in his garage deliberately and all around his house which he had the gall to blame his staff for? You claim Trump is senile while defending Biden saying he isn't and yet Trump doesn't get any free pass for being an old fart. The whole thing's a joke. Much like the US calling out Russia for everything they do, if Biden fans didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards...

Senator releases FBI source's claim of Biden bribes from Ukraine

The FBI deemed the informant "highly credible", but top Republicans concede the claim is unverified.

www.bbc.com

^ For allegations like this, Trump would be fined $400 million or so. America is a corrupt cess pit. Every country has corruption but we all know the extent of how bad things are in the US. Hence why there's a movie called Civil War coming out this year. Biden and his cronies make out how evil Putin is and yet the US are no better having people bumped off just the same as Russia.

 

[Moxie]

It's not a narrative, Moxie, it's a fact. I watched his state of the union speech and straight away though Adderall to myself and sure enough there's a lot of talk about this online. He was clearly on something that day. When it wore off at the end he couldn't remember how to exit.

Biden's cognitive impairment is NOT a fact, it's, IMO, a narrative that the right-wing media has been working on for years now. Likewise, it's your OPINION that that line of thinking is true. You are not his doctor. And just because you read stuff on the internet or watch selective videos and read theories, doesn't make it a "fact." Even now, as above, you say that if he's not demented, then he's lying. You realize you can't have it both ways. So which "fact" is it?

Not sure why you immediately thought "Adderal," Dr. Front, when you watched the SOTU speech, but, by coincidence, everyone in right-wing media, when faced with a coherent, intelligent, policy-driven Biden address, had to tap dance as fast as they could to explain it. "Artificial stimulants" was all they could come up with. I have googled various versions of "Adderal" and "dementia" or "Alzheimer's" and the only hit that came up as "masking symptoms" was the Washington Star article you posted. (The Star is a very conservative paper.) Mostly what it is used for, (along with Ritalin, etc.) in dementia patients is to assuage the affects of depression, and to stimulate appetite.

Biden did not forget how to exit the room. He worked the room for a long time, that's true. You're just proving that people see what they want to see, by saying that. You may say that I'm seeing what I want when I saw the speech as a big win. But I think we can both agree these are not facts, they are opinions.

 

[Kieran]

Biden was never a good idea for president, until trump. That’s still the only reason why they’re hoping he stays upright…

 

[Moxie]

Biden was never a good idea for president, until trump. That’s still the only reason why they’re hoping he stays upright…

It's a little more complicated than that, friend. But I think everyone recognizes that Biden stepped in in 2020 as the best option to defeat Trump. And he did. And Trump needed defeating. But tales of his cognitive demise are vastly inflated. Biden is a very good politician and statesman, lest it be forgotten.

 

[Kieran]

It's a little more complicated than that, friend. But I think everyone recognizes that Biden stepped in in 2020 as the best option to defeat Trump. And he did. And Trump needed defeating. But tales of his cognitive demise are vastly inflated. Biden is a very good politician and statesman, lest it be forgotten.

He’s a career politician who got dumped from his first presidential bid for plagiarising The Welsh Windbag back in the eighties, a common failing of his, and since the was never anybody’s idea of presidential material. Let’s not mistake him for what he’s not, which commonly happened with Obama…

 

[Moxie]

He’s a career politician who got dumped from his first presidential bid for plagiarising The Welsh Windbag back in the eighties, a common failing of his, and since the was never anybody’s idea of presidential material. Let’s not mistake him for what he’s not, which commonly happened with Obama…

The Welsh Windbag? Please explain.

Obviously, you don't like Biden, but I feel he's doing a good job. The economy is better, things seem a lot more stable, compared to the wild west of Trump. I'll take it.

 

[Kieran]

The Welsh Windbag? Please explain.

Obviously, you don't like Biden, but I feel he's doing a good job. The economy is better, things seem a lot more stable, compared to the wild west of Trump. I'll take it.

You must remember the 1988 campaign when he was busted for plagiarising the Kennedy’s and Neil Kinnock (“The Welsh Windbag”) speeches? There was also an academic scandal that embarrassed him…

 

[Front242]

Biden's cognitive impairment is NOT a fact, it's, IMO, a narrative that the right-wing media has been working on for years now. Likewise, it's your OPINION that that line of thinking is true. You are not his doctor. And just because you read stuff on the internet or watch selective videos and read theories, doesn't make it a "fact." Even now, as above, you say that if he's not demented, then he's lying. You realize you can't have it both ways. So which "fact" is it?

Not sure why you immediately thought "Adderal," Dr. Front, when you watched the SOTU speech, but, by coincidence, everyone in right-wing media, when faced with a coherent, intelligent, policy-driven Biden address, had to tap dance as fast as they could to explain it. "Artificial stimulants" was all they could come up with. I have googled various versions of "Adderal" and "dementia" or "Alzheimer's" and the only hit that came up as "masking symptoms" was the Washington Star article you posted. (The Star is a very conservative paper.) Mostly what it is used for, (along with Ritalin, etc.) in dementia patients is to assuage the affects of depression, and to stimulate appetite.

Biden did not forget how to exit the room. He worked the room for a long time, that's true. You're just proving that people see what they want to see, by saying that. You may say that I'm seeing what I want when I saw the speech as a big win. But I think we can both agree these are not facts, they are opinions.

I can clearly see he's showing serious signs of cognitive decline (I won't call him demented as you said above) as can anyone not blinded so much with Trump hatred that they defend everything about Biden. You don't need to be a doctor to see he's showing serious signs of cognitive impairment. It's not both ways at all to me. I mentioned both sides clearly but you and Federberg and the Biden fans don't think he's in decline in which case he should be charged the same as Trump and not be given a get out of jail free card for being a 'sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory'.

He was clearly amped up for his big speech and you even admitted it here so don't backtrack and lie to yourself. Amped up to the max just like Hitler was with his speeches. You've completely turned a blind eye to all the body language and signs in the link I posted where a psychiatrist stated he showed clear signs of being on something like Adderall. Not "Dr. Front" but a real doctor not that it matters 'cos anyone could see for themselves anyway except blinded hardcore Biden fans in complete and utter denial. Now you're either trying to fool the forum and lie to us all or you haven't searched properly but Adderall with 2 lls is NOT used to assuage the affects of depression and stimulate appetite. See below for its uses. I'd hazard a guess Djokovic has used it before as he's had massive drugged up eyes on camera often in matches along with that weird dizzy spell easily found online. Here it is to save you searching. Adverse effects from Adderall include dizziness.

Adderall Oral: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Pictures, Warnings & Dosing - WebMD

Find patient medical information for Adderall oral on WebMD including its uses, side effects and safety, interactions, pictures, warnings and user ratings.

www.webmd.com

^ From the first paragraph so not exactly hard to find...

"This combination medication is used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - ADHD. It works by changing the amounts of certain natural substances in the brain. Amphetamine/dextroamphetamine belongs to a class of drugs known as stimulants. It can help increase your ability to pay attention, stay focused on an activity, and control behavior problems. It may also help you to organize your tasks and improve listening skills."

Read the comments and people will say the biggest takeaway from the speech was that Biden was clearly on something. Don't lie to yourself. He did well for his usual standards, yes, but it took drugs to do it. You're lying to yourself if you don't admit that's a fact when you see what he's normally like.

 

[Federberg]

I can clearly see he's showing serious signs of cognitive decline (I won't call him demented as you said above) as can anyone not blinded so much with Trump hatred that they defend everything about Biden. You don't need to be a doctor to see he's showing serious signs of cognitive impairment. It's not both ways at all to me. I mentioned both sides clearly but you and Federberg and the Biden fans don't think he's in decline in which case he should be charged the same as Trump and not be given a get out of jail free card for being a 'sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory'.

He was clearly amped up for his big speech and you even admitted it here so don't backtrack and lie to yourself. Amped up to the max just like Hitler was with his speeches. You've completely turned a blind eye to all the body language and signs in the link I posted where a psychiatrist stated he showed clear signs of being on something like Adderall. Not "Dr. Front" but a real doctor not that it matters 'cos anyone could see for themselves anyway except blinded hardcore Biden fans in complete and utter denial. Now you're either trying to fool the forum and lie to us all or you haven't searched properly but Adderall with 2 lls is NOT used to assuage the affects of depression and stimulate appetite. See below for its uses. I'd hazard a guess Djokovic has used it before as he's had massive drugged up eyes on camera often in matches along with that weird dizzy spell easily found online.

Adderall Oral: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Pictures, Warnings & Dosing - WebMD

Find patient medical information for Adderall oral on WebMD including its uses, side effects and safety, interactions, pictures, warnings and user ratings.

www.webmd.com

^ From the first paragraph so not exactly hard to find...

"This combination medication is used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - ADHD. It works by changing the amounts of certain natural substances in the brain. Amphetamine/dextroamphetamine belongs to a class of drugs known as stimulants. It can help increase your ability to pay attention, stay focused on an activity, and control behavior problems. It may also help you to organize your tasks and improve listening skills."

Read the comments and people will say the biggest takeaway from the speech was that Biden was clearly on something. Don't lie to yourself. He did well for his usual standards, yes, but it took drugs to do it. You're lying to yourself if you don't admit that's a fact when you see what he's normally like.

lol! If your answer is that he had to be on drugs because he exceeded your expectations then I don't know what to say. It's not about Biden at that point, it's all about what you desperately want to believe. It's ironic because, on the other hand, you don't want to accept what your eyes and ears are telling you about Trump. It's no longer about facts but feelings That's ok. You like Trump, you don't like Biden. I get it. It's ok...

 

[Front242]

lol! If your answer is that he had to be on drugs because he exceeded your expectations then I don't know what to say. It's not about Biden at that point, it's all about what you desperately want to believe. It's ironic because, on the other hand, you don't want to accept what your eyes and ears are telling you about Trump. It's no longer about facts but feelings That's ok. You like Trump, you don't like Biden. I get it. It's ok...

No, I don't like Trump. I said multiple times (but you clearly missed it) they're both absolute clowns and that it's embarrassing out of the whole US that it comes down to these 2 but the one thing going for Trump is he isn't a warmonger and promotes peace. You're in complete denial if you don't think he was on drugs when most of the planet would say he clearly was. I guess you've clearly missed what's he's normally like. "EEEHHHHHHHHHHHH, anyway" to quote the great Biden. You want chocolate chip or chocolate chocolate chip ?





"I Better Not Start The Questions, I'll Get In Trouble". Why would he get in trouble if he's the one making the top decisions. 'cos he's clearly not....

​

"

 

[Federberg]

No, I don't like Trump. I said multiple times (but you clearly missed it) they're both absolute clowns and that it's embarrassing out of the whole US that it comes down to these 2 but the one thing going for Trump is he isn't a warmonger and promotes peace. You're in complete denial if you don't think he was on drugs when most of the planet would say he clearly was. I guess you've clearly missed what's he's normally like. "EEEHHHHHHHHHHHH, anyway" to quote the great Biden. You want chocolate chip or chocolate chocolate chip ?





"I Better Not Start The Questions, I'll Get In Trouble". Why would he get in trouble if he's the one making the top decisions. 'cos he's clearly not....

​

"

your analysis isn't balanced mate. Perhaps you haven't had experience interacting with people who stammer, and also people with dementia. Biden is virtually unchanged over the last few decades. Apart from the fact that he is physically slower, i.e., he moves more slowly, which is perfectly understandable given his age. Trump is different... he's more vigorous physically but he's clearly not the same interacting with people or just talking. And what's worse is that he's starting off from a base where he was clearly less intelligent than Biden.

All of this would be a matter of taste I guess if there weren't any other variables. But here's the thing... Most of the high level officials who worked for Trump in his administration either refuse to endorse him, or outright say that he's unfit. Good grief! Pence, his VP, just announced that he can't endorse Trump. What more do you need if those who worked most closely to him are telling you this guy is dangerous. What more do you need? I honestly don't get it. But.. .it's your choice. I respect your opinion mate. I just don't understand it

 

[Front242]

I echo the sentiments in your last line. I simply can't understand how someone could see Biden is completely fine. It's not about the stammer, come on. It's about standing there with a puzzled, empty look on his face and no words coming out or forgetting stuff very often. He even lies about his son Beau dying in Iraq when he died of cancer. Wtf is that all about?!