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What’s with the white liberals calling black people the n-word? Is that allowed, once you’re card carrier? Is it no longer verboten under any circumstances?

Some Random Bloke, since I doubt it’ll be on the mainstream, though hopefully it will. I’ve seen more than one example of this.



 
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Oh, no! Is this about to become a standard conspiracy theory thread? That would be very sad.

If 20 years ago, you'd told anyone there's an island where the global elite go to rape children and it's likely a Mossad run operation they would have called you a conspiracy theorist.

Yeah, the government and people in power lie and do horrible things all the fucking time. There's no conspiracy there.
 
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Moxie, you once called Joe Biden "a decent man." Perhaps have an open mind about things.
 

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Living in a third world country really gives you perspective about how oblivious Americans are to just about anything that actually matters...
 
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If 20 years ago, you'd told anyone there's an island where the global elite go to rape children and it's likely a Mossad run operation they would have called you a conspiracy theorist.

Yeah, the government and people in power lie and do horrible things all the fucking time. There's no conspiracy there.
The Mossad bit comes from Tucker Carlson and is most likely inaccurate. But I have addressed the Epstein case straightforwardly. I just believe the focus is on the wrong part. But there is tin foil hat stuff listed above, which is what that comment was about. Personally, I think there are seriously things going on in the US that are far more impactful than the Epstein case, such as federal troops occupying US cities, murdering citizens; and Trump's various plans to scuttle/cancel/grab/"nationalize" our midterm elections.
 
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About conspiracy theories and invisible power, taking the bait thrown by @britbox post above with quotes:

The line dividing fact from extrapolation, in this case, is more than easy to cross. You crros it by definition, if you try to understand what is going on. All the facts are not there, and we need to extrapolate.

It is perfectly rational to admit that the corridors of power have their secrets. Each personal relation has its dynamic, some figures with knowledge, economic and political leverage might have way more power than publicly perceived. All this is to be expected.

Point is how each one of us imagines what actually goes on behind the scenes. From acknowledging that there is more to it than what we see on the news, and from what is common knowledge about government and state institutions, to admiting a world model were the Iluminatti pull all the strings while holding monthly macabre meetings, there is quite a leap.

"Truth", if we can actually find something that deserves this name in this case, will probably be something in the middle. It might be something that will look quite a lot like a conspiracy theory (@brokenshoelace 's post above Epstein island is a good example, even if I find this whole story quite strange, actually). That would not surprise me one bit. On the other hand, something "boring" and mundane would not suprise me as well.

We live in a complex world, and it's been complex for centuries, at the very least. It would be extremely knaive to expect that structures of power are perfectly known, organized and transparent. Any organized and deep enough world view will need to make conjectures about how this power structures function. Those conjectures can easily be called conspiracy theories by the ones who do not like it.

On the other hand, there are some things that, c'mon...
 
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About conspiracy theories and invisible power, taking the bait thrown by @britbox post above with quotes:

The line dividing fact from extrapolation, in this case, is more than easy to cross. You crros it by definition, if you try to understand what is going on. All the facts are not there, and we need to extrapolate.

It is perfectly rational to admit that the corridors of power have their secrets. Each personal relation has its dynamic, some figures with knowledge, economic and political leverage might have way more power than publicly perceived. All this is to be expected.

Point is how each one of us imagines what actually goes on behind the scenes. From acknowledging that there is more to it than what we see on the news, and from what is common knowledge about government and state institutions, to admiting a world model were the Iluminatti pull all the strings while holding monthly macabre meetings, there is quite a leap.

"Truth", if we can actually find something that deserves this name in this case, will probably be something in the middle. It might be something that will look quite a lot like a conspiracy theory (@brokenshoelace 's post above Epstein island is a good example, even if I find this whole story quite strange, actually). That would not surprise me one bit. On the other hand, something "boring" and mundane would not suprise me as well.

We live in a complex world, and it's been complex for centuries, at the very least. It would be extremely knaive to expect that structures of power are perfectly known, organized and transparent. Any organized and deep enough world view will need to make conjectures about how this power structures function. Those conjectures can easily be called conspiracy theories by the ones who do not like it.

On the other hand, there are some things that, c'mon...
Well the main issue with that @mrzz is that I provided a few quotes because I was specifically asked to.

Those alone aren't the foundation stone for jumping to wild projections about anything.

What I do find bizarre is how quickly the labels “conspiracy theory” and “tinfoil hat” get churned out the moment someone starts thinking independently about power. It's tiresome - particularly when the official story is implausibly simplistic. It reminds me of the "Emperor's New Clothes" fairy tale where it took a child to point out the ruse.

Let's get this clear - I never said there was an Illuminati holding monthly macabre meetings - so there is no leap and you don't need to invent one. I've said there are obvious hidden power structures involved in manipulating politics. This isn't guesswork - there are masses of research crossing politics, religions, finance, science about exoteric and esoteric forms of influence and many of these groups will probably be competing and not co-ordinated. There are also a multitude of power groups, NGOs and think tanks who aren't even hidden, and openly admitting they are doing it.
 
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I never said there was an Illuminati holding monthly macabre meetings
I didn't mean that. I was pointing out two possible extremes. Never said your position was exactly one of those.
 
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It is beyond insane. The kind of thing I had in mind when I posted a while ago that I don't think Trump ends his term...

Actually (connecting with the last hot topic in this thread), it makes you wonder. Of course, one trivial explanation for this is that his staff is so reckless, with this sense of untouchability, as himself, so that they would either do it on their own or do not push back if spurred by him.

But this is so, so grossly stupid that it had me immediately thinking about some "conspiracy". But if it was, it's genius, because this shit has Trump written all over it...
 

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US politics is a scary place right now. But here is what scares me the most and of course it is 100% subjective, though I can unpack it if necessary :) : The leftist white woman with colorful hair and a septum ring with suicidal empathy for all the wrong reasons. I change my lane if I see one coming my way. I avoid eye contact in the grocery store. They all have the crazy look in their eyes that tells you your rabbit is about to be boiled alive, and that is if you are lucky...
 
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US politics is a scary place right now. But here is what scares me the most and of course it is 100% subjective, though I can unpack it if necessary :) : The leftist white woman with colorful hair and a septum ring with suicidal empathy for all the wrong reasons. I change my lane if I see one coming my way. I avoid eye contact in the grocery store. They all have the crazy look in their eyes that tells you your rabbit is about to be boiled alive, and that is if you are lucky...
Absolutely. I keep saying it, these people are not protesters. They’re insurgents. They reminds me of little other than Karl Marx permanent revolution. We agreed on this page in September (in relation to republicans mis-categorising Charlie Kirk’s death as treasonous, or an attack on the state) that an attack on the state would cover an attack on law enforcement officers doing their public duty. Now the pink haired pestilence is routinely attacking ICE agents, routinely threatening them.

Even now, white so-called “liberals” (they’re not very liberal) are calling black people the n-word without any blowback. They will segue soon to another “cause”, another “protest”, and leave a mess behind, which is the real intention behind all these disruptions.

What do they really want? It’s a thousand percent real that they want to denigrate, dehumanise and destroy any voices that disagree with them, and they seem wholly unaware that they are violently insane…
 
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Well the main issue with that @mrzz is that I provided a few quotes because I was specifically asked to.

Those alone aren't the foundation stone for jumping to wild projections about anything.
Hopefully not, because, as I said, some are clearly taken out of context, and I didn't explore the rest.
What I do find bizarre is how quickly the labels “conspiracy theory” and “tinfoil hat” get churned out the moment someone starts thinking independently about power. It's tiresome - particularly when the official story is implausibly simplistic. It reminds me of the "Emperor's New Clothes" fairy tale where it took a child to point out the ruse.
Clearly this is meant for me. I made those comments generally. You however insulted me directly as to the validity of my opinions.

Mrzz does make the valid observation that sometimes the truth is somewhere in between the obvious, and the big leap. At the very least. I would make the argument that the world, or the "powers that be" are a lot less organized that most any deep dark theory would have you believe.
Let's get this clear - I never said there was an Illuminati holding monthly macabre meetings - so there is no leap and you don't need to invent one. I've said there are obvious hidden power structures involved in manipulating politics. This isn't guesswork - there are masses of research crossing politics, religions, finance, science about exoteric and esoteric forms of influence and many of these groups will probably be competing and not co-ordinated. There are also a multitude of power groups, NGOs and think tanks who aren't even hidden, and openly admitting they are doing it.
Certainly the think tank that created the 2025 Project had a nefarious agenda, and Trump is following it.
 

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Certainly the think tank that created the 2025 Project had a nefarious agenda, and Trump is following it.
You believe in conspiracies all of a sudden? :yahoo:

Surely not. Only when the "other side" does it, right?

You did surprise me a little (positively) then I did a quick lookup - and our favourite Rhodes scholar Ms Maddow has been chanting that mantra for the last year or so. What a disappointment - I thought you'd made a leap.
 
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Still think he's not a racist?
I think he uses racism as a weapon of mass distraction. I think he’s a sociopath, he’ll use anything or anyone to achieve his personal goals. Today it’s distracting from Epstein
 
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