UK Politics Thread

[Mary]

Which UKIP lies are you referring to Mary?

There were loads but especially those leaflets saying Leaving would give the NHS billions more. And both Farage and Nuttall are now under investigation for false addresses and other fraud. Currently a UKIP candidate in a by election is publicising that she works for the NHS and that they support her. Her NHS Trust denies this. The lies are numnerous, especially those related to immigration.

 

[britbox]

There were loads but especially those leaflets saying Leaving would give the NHS billions more. And both Farage and Nuttall are now under investigation for false addresses and other fraud. Currently a UKIP candidate in a by election is publicising that she works for the NHS and that they support her. Her NHS Trust denies this. The lies are numnerous, especially those related to immigration.

UKIP were not part of the official Leave campaign and had nothing to do with the NHS claim. They ran a separate campaign.

I've lost count of the members of the Labour Party who have been investigated for fraud and false expenses.

 

[britbox]

Onto the subject of lies....

The Remain campaign said the following:

Cameron implied World War 3 was a reality

Osbourne said there would be an immediate punitive budget.

Cameron said Brexit would be enacted the day after the vote.

The economy would immediately fall into immediate recession... Not the case, immediate growth has surpassed all expectations.

Unemployment would immediately increase... The reverse has happened.

Clegg said there were no plans for an EU Army and that it was ridiculous proposition. Juncker is already looking at an EU Army.

David Cameron said he wouldn't resign if he lost - he did.

Universities said Horizon 2020 funding would disappear... it hasn't and won't.

 

[Mary]

UKIP were not part of the official Leave campaign and had nothing to do with the NHS claim. They ran a separate campaign.

I've lost count of the members of the Labour Party who have been investigated for fraud and false expenses.

The claimed m originated

UKIP were not part of the official Leave campaign and had nothing to do with the NHS claim. They ran a separate campaign.

I've lost count of the members of the Labour Party who have been investigated for fraud and false expenses.

The claim I think originated with Johnson but the leaflets - we had three were from UKIP. They picked it up and ran with it.

Tory election e.expenses are, I think still being investigated but the govt will bury them. MPs expenses are a national disgrace. They are stealing from the tax payer.
As far as I know the labour MPs investigated were all Blairites. In my view they have totally wrecked the labour party with overt lies and gerrymandering on a massive and shameless scale. Examples are the punitive action towards Wallasey CLP because they don't want Eagle as their MP, her false claims about bricks through her window by Corbyn supporters - It wasn't her window, no evidence of a brick and no one knows wmho did it. Also the creation of new NEC seats to prevent Corbyn having a majority tnere and the appt of right wingers. Also the suspension of Corbyn supporters to prevent them voting. The right wing have also infiltrated Momentum, Unite and Unison. For Tory abuse we don't have to look far, favours to Surrey Council, contracts just given to Group 4 by May his husband has huge interests in Group 4. Contracts given to Brandon.

I think we could count on two hands the numbers of MPs who have integrity and who genuinely represent their constituents. I have totally lost trust in our political system.

 

[Mary]

PS!

Re economic growth and forecasts Liam Fox has admitted he lied because he felt the country needed good news!!

 

[britbox]

The claimed m originated


The claim I think originated with Johnson but the leaflets - we had three were from UKIP. They picked it up and ran with it.

Tory election e.expenses are, I think still being investigated but the govt will bury them. MPs expenses are a national disgrace. They are stealing from the tax payer.
As far as I know the labour MPs investigated were all Blairites. In my view they have totally wrecked the labour party with overt lies and gerrymandering on a massive and shameless scale. Examples are the punitive action towards Wallasey CLP because they don't want Eagle as their MP, her false claims about bricks through her window by Corbyn supporters - It wasn't her window, no evidence of a brick and no one knows wmho did it. Also the creation of new NEC seats to prevent Corbyn having a majority tnere and the appt of right wingers. Also the suspension of Corbyn supporters to prevent them voting. The right wing have also infiltrated Momentum, Unite and Unison. For Tory abuse we don't have to look far, favours to Surrey Council, contracts just given to Group 4 by May his husband has huge interests in Group 4. Contracts given to Brandon.

I think we could count on two hands the numbers of MPs who have integrity and who genuinely represent their constituents. I have totally lost trust in our political system.

I'm with you on the lack of integrity... it's widespread across the whole political spectrum... the big scandal with expenses a few years ago highlighted it... and I don't think lessons were learned. A dirty business for sure.

Infiltration is an interesting concept... the whole internal war within the Labour Party is compelling viewing and I think it has plenty more to go...

 

[Mary]

I'm with you on the lack of integrity... it's widespread across the whole political spectrum... the big scandal with expenses a few years ago highlighted it... and I don't think lessons were learned. A dirty business for sure.

Infiltration is an interesting concept... the whole internal war within the Labour Party is compelling viewing and I think it has plenty more to go...

The Unions are a major power source for Corbyn and the middle ground of Labour. Right wingers have been joining to attempt to swing the vote their way. Watch out for the UNITE elections, next month I think. The Labour Party was infiltrated before the last general election it is said.

Sadly I think politics is now seen as a career for rich influential people and those who want to be so, rather than for those who want to serve their communities and enrich society as a whole. Every labour party member I know is deeply saddened and angry. It must be hard to remain true to ones principles in such a crooked set of people.

So depressing and it's snowing here. I need some warm weather and a Djokovic win to cheer me up!

 

[Federberg]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38996179

 

[britbox]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38996179

Unfortunately, the messenger lacks any credibility!

 

[Mary]

Unfortunately, the messenger lacks any credibility!

And even more unfortunately soon does BBC news these days! Too much Murdoch influence!

I mentioned UKIP fraud investigation last week. The EU report is due any day. Issues are fraud of 20 million euros plus investigations into child pornography. I am told UKIP are shredding paperwork and trashing computers and Nuttall seems to be in hiding. We certainly live in interesting times.

 

[britbox]

And even more unfortunately soon does BBC news these days! Too much Murdoch influence!

I mentioned UKIP fraud investigation last week. The EU report is due any day. Issues are fraud of 20 million euros plus investigations into child pornography. I am told UKIP are shredding paperwork and trashing computers and Nuttall seems to be in hiding. We certainly live in interesting times.

I've got UKIP sympathies with regard to policy to tell the truth - you probably figured that out already... but don't like Nuttall... and I also sense he's lied about Hillsborough. That will come out in the wash in due course, but I think he's lying. Haven't heard anything about child porn though... what's the info?

 

[Mary]

I've got UKIP sympathies with regard to policy to tell the truth - you probably figured that out already... but don't like Nuttall... and I also sense he's lied about Hillsborough. That will come out in the wash in due course, but I think he's lying. Haven't heard anything about child porn though... what's the info?

UKIP policies have a, lot of support and I can see why. But there are some nasty people associated with UKIP. They are active here and their canvassing has been very aggressive. I have no info on the child porn other than its being investigated. I have not heard Nuttall being mentioned in that context. Some days it seems that so much child abuse is going on it's unbelievable. I'll ask around and see what surfaces.

Nuttall is blaming the person who runs his web site for the Hillsborough stuff. And admits he was not there and none of his friends were there.

Latest on Blair is that he was party to use of armed forces dressed as police at Orgreave. I think his Remain speech is purely an anti Corbyn move.

 

[britbox]

UKIP policies have a, lot of support and I can see why. But there are some nasty people associated with UKIP. They are active here and their canvassing has been very aggressive. I have no info on the child porn other than its being investigated. I have not heard Nuttall being mentioned in that context. Some days it seems that so much child abuse is going on it's unbelievable. I'll ask around and see what surfaces.

Nuttall is blaming the person who runs his web site for the Hillsborough stuff. And admits he was not there and none of his friends were there.

Latest on Blair is that he was party to use of armed forces dressed as police at Orgreave. I think his Remain speech is purely an anti Corbyn move.

Look closer at the Nuttal/Hillsborough situation.... he claims he was there. I don't think he was.

 

[Mary]

Look closer at the Nuttal/Hillsborough situation.... he claims he was there. I don't think he was.

I heard he said he was there but has withdrawn it or said he was misquoted. Seems some people knew he was elsewhere. There are also allegations that he is claiming EU expenses for non-existent staff and offices. Farage was canvassing for him but has now disassociated himself. UKIP needs to ditch him. Fast.

Have a quick Google UKIP child porn. Quite a lot there.

 

[britbox]

I heard he said he was there but has withdrawn it or said he was misquoted. Seems some people knew he was elsewhere. There are also allegations that he is claiming EU expenses for non-existent staff and offices. Farage was canvassing for him but has now disassociated himself. UKIP needs to ditch him. Fast.

Have a quick Google UKIP child porn. Quite a lot there.

I haven't seen him withdraw the statement that he was there.... Only statements that he lost close friends there.... and put up a UKIP spokesman as the stooge to take the flak. I'm pretty sure he wasn't there at all and is lying through his teeth. The bloke is full of shit.

 

[Mary]

I haven't seen him withdraw the statement that he was there.... Only statements that he lost close friends there.... and put up a UKIP spokesman as the stooge to take the flak. I'm pretty sure he wasn't there at all and is lying through his teeth. The bloke is full of shit.

I think so too. He has had it now, can't see him getting Stoke.

 

[Federberg]

I'm relieved in a way. If UKIP had anyone remotely competent they might have been able to become the main opposition

 

[britbox]

Have a quick Google UKIP child porn. Quite a lot there.

Decided to skip googling that!

 

[britbox]

I'm relieved in a way. If UKIP had anyone remotely competent they might have been able to become the main opposition

If the Monster Raving Looney Party had been remotely competent they might have too... Labour is currently in so much disarray, there is a vacuum to be filled. And the LibDems are finished for at least a decade.

 

[Federberg]

If the Monster Raving Looney Party had been remotely competent they might have too... Labour is currently in so much disarray, there is a vacuum to be filled. And the LibDems are finished for at least a decade.

Not really sure what your point is here mate. The Monster Raving Looney Party have never made any pretentions to become a serious political party