2025 French Open Men's Final: Yannik Sinner vs. Carlos Alcaraz
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Sinner has 3. Don't forget about the Medvedev choke at the 2024 AO. (I know it doesn't fit the narrative that Sinner can't win 5-set matches, but believe me, he came back from a 2-set deficit to win his first slam title.)
I like Djokovic's chances at Wimbledon. He's been there and done that. Plus, he comes into healthy and playing his best tennis of the season. You couldn't say that last year, when he was injured at the French Open, and despite that, still made the final.
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Really? You keep campaigning for the notion that Novak is still in the game. He's not interested in making SFs and Fs, if he's not winning the big prize. You think he can get past Carlos or Jannick, or both, at Wimbledon, this year, or do you think he gets lucky, and someone takes them both out early?
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I cannot sleep still wound up,
BTW I think Phil is on Novak's pay roll lol!
It doesn’t matter IMO how closely someone lost.
Either Sinner (age 23) or Alcaraz (22) could continue to improve or regress, so you can’t project going forward that Sinner will get the better of Alcaraz next time because he was that close this time.
The bigger issue is Alcaraz winning his 3rd 5 set match in a Major versus Sinner gives him the mental edge in future battles, especially because he’s now won 5 in a now in their head2head.
The thing with Alcaraz is he’s no slouch on hard courts, if he can manage his schedule AND not get upset in an early round I like his chances versus Sinner on any surface. He’s actually beaten Sinner in their last 2 HC meetings.
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At the end of the day I feel Tennis Won, it was a match between the 2 top players and a battle royale between Carlos and Jannik, in ways it was a pity someone had to lose, in the end Carlos proved too strong mentally and physically, all praise to him winning the hardest GS to win clay
The thing about Alcaraz is that he seems to be still improving on red clay and just turned 22, so it’s crazy to think he has already defended two different slams ( 23, 24 W, 24,25 FO) at such a young age.
I'm not counting out the guy that's been to the last 6 Wimbledon finals, winning 4 of them. I still trust Novak more than Jannik at Wimbledon. I know that Novak has been there and done that many times over, whereas Jannik has never had to face the pressure of Wimbledon. It's very possible that Jannik is upset early. But even if it doesn't happen, this is the one environment where I'm taking Novak over Jannik. You saw how Jannik struggled with the pressure today closing out the match. If he can't handle that pressure, I can't see him handling the pressure at Wimbledon, an environment Jannik has never really faced before.
Carlos is the only player I have favored over Novak at Wimbledon. Carlos proved last year that he can follow-up a French Open run with another one at Wimbledon. Jannik has not proven that yet.
But even then, Carlos isn't immune to an upset at Wimbledon. If someone takes Carlos out early, Novak becomes the favorite.
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Your post is merely hypothetical for starters regarding Jannik if he can or now handle the pressure at Wimbledon for starters
Jannik being out for 3 months making the final at Rome and the final at RG a surface he is not comfortable on I feel he needs credit.
Lets face it Novak was given a very favorable draw at RG, the only tough opponent was Jannik in the SF,m his opponents before that were lowly ranked? can he received the same at Wimbledon, he will have to go through the higher seeds which he failed to do at RG, so dont count your chickens before they hatch!
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Difficult to say anything about this match that hasn’t been said. I never felt so tense during a match in my life, that didn’t have Bjorn, Pete or Rafa in it. Clearly the greatest ever FO final. Momentum shifts, the outcome hanging in the balance throughout, unbelievable shotmaking from both. Great strength of character. John McEnroe jumped a shark by saying they’d both beat Rafa - who never even played a fifth set in a FO final in his whole career - but you could understand the enthusiasm. We all watched something incredible.
But the fifth set tiebreak was the single greatest performance I’ve ever seen in any match of this scale. Already the match was going to be the greatest in that stadium, but Carlos in the fifth set tiebreak created his own masterpiece, something we haven’t seen from any of the greatest players of the past. It makes you reach for superlatives and dive off a cliff into pretentious withering. It was the final movement of Mozart’s final symphony, it was Sad-Eyed Lady at the end of Blonde on Blonde - it was just something that transcends the sport in a way even the Big 3 couldn’t do. When John McEnroe said that about both players beating Rafa in Paris I scoffed - except I do have to wonder how Rafa would have gotten into that tiebreak. It’s really difficult to see anyone live with that.
Carlos made “God-mode” seem like an inadequate term. There’s no way to describe it - they’d played for over five hours, they’d suffered crashing disappointments, swelling hopes they’d grab the title - then Carlitos played as if Sinner didn’t exist, as if he himself had switched off and gone someplace else, some place where he calmly and routinely played seven miraculously perfect points to obliterate his opponent, and end it all.
They asked Pete Sampras what he was thinking when he second-serve aced Agassi to win the ‘99 Wimbledon final. Pete said he was thinking nothing. Carlos may well have been in that same place, but for seven points.
It was Mozart’s fugue - but improvised in front of a crowd the size of the whole world, and with Sinner at his very best trying to stop him.
That was something we’ve never seen before, by anyone…
But the fifth set tiebreak was the single greatest performance I’ve ever seen in any match of this scale. Already the match was going to be the greatest in that stadium, but Carlos in the fifth set tiebreak created his own masterpiece, something we haven’t seen from any of the greatest players of the past. It makes you reach for superlatives and dive off a cliff into pretentious withering. It was the final movement of Mozart’s final symphony, it was Sad-Eyed Lady at the end of Blonde on Blonde - it was just something that transcends the sport in a way even the Big 3 couldn’t do. When John McEnroe said that about both players beating Rafa in Paris I scoffed - except I do have to wonder how Rafa would have gotten into that tiebreak. It’s really difficult to see anyone live with that.
Carlos made “God-mode” seem like an inadequate term. There’s no way to describe it - they’d played for over five hours, they’d suffered crashing disappointments, swelling hopes they’d grab the title - then Carlitos played as if Sinner didn’t exist, as if he himself had switched off and gone someplace else, some place where he calmly and routinely played seven miraculously perfect points to obliterate his opponent, and end it all.
They asked Pete Sampras what he was thinking when he second-serve aced Agassi to win the ‘99 Wimbledon final. Pete said he was thinking nothing. Carlos may well have been in that same place, but for seven points.
It was Mozart’s fugue - but improvised in front of a crowd the size of the whole world, and with Sinner at his very best trying to stop him.
That was something we’ve never seen before, by anyone…
