Serious PC thread

[britbox]

They did it before the final and I spat my chips out. Give the f**king land back or STFU.

Simple…but these people are truly pathetic and hypocritical, rubbing the original occupants noses in it….

“Hey, we’ve got your land. We’re not giving it back but we just thought we’d humble-brag a little and get some kudos…”

I tell you what they won't give back - active mines or the rights to mine.

A cynic might say that the people who got what they wanted are now throwing the descendants of the people they used to get it, under the bus.

 

[Kieran]

I tell you what they won't give back - active mines or the rights to mine.

A cynic might say that the people who got what they wanted are now throwing the descendants of the people they used to get it, under the bus.

Absolutely. These “land acknowledgments” are just pure showboating funny theatre sketches..

 

[Federberg]

 

[Federberg]

 

[brokenshoelace]

This laughably basic on every level.

Take the risk example. Men take more risks because in a patriarchal society (pleaaaaase let's not have to debate whether we live in a world that largely favors men in the way literally everything is set up) you can afford to take more risks as a man for very obvious reasons.

 

[Kieran]

This laughably basic on every level.

Take the risk example. Men take more risks because in a patriarchal society (pleaaaaase let's not have to debate whether we live in a world that largely favors men in the way literally everything is set up) you can afford to take more risks as a man for very obvious reasons.

Why does the world “largely favour men?”

 

[Federberg]

This laughably basic on every level.

Take the risk example. Men take more risks because in a patriarchal society (pleaaaaase let's not have to debate whether we live in a world that largely favors men in the way literally everything is set up) you can afford to take more risks as a man for very obvious reasons.

I'm not really sure what your objection to his opinion is. Can you elaborate? I'm not even going to bother with the proposition that the world largely favours men that's an entirely different discussion...

 

[brokenshoelace]

Why does the world “largely favour men?”

Mate, I really have zero interest in patriarchy 101. You're aware of the history of our world, surely. Society was built by men, for men. I'm not being cute...I really don't know how this is debatable.

 

[Kieran]

Mate, I really have zero interest in patriarchy 101. You're aware of the history of our world, surely. Society was built by men, for men. I'm not being cute...I really don't know how this is debatable.

Well, in your original post you gave the answer: “the way the world is set up”, and that’s true. Men set it up, they built it, they crawled beneath the ground to build sewers, they clambered incredible heights to build towers for housing, they fought to defend and did the dirty jobs in every city you’ve ever been in. Every country. They still do, for the large part. Generally men take more risks. So it’s only natural they’ve come to the fore. And terrible as it sounds, if it wasn’t for men, women would still be second class citizens in the west. Unlike in other parts of the world, due to our heritage, men listened and learned, we need women’s voices..

 

[brokenshoelace]

Well, in your original post you gave the answer: “the way the world is set up”, and that’s true. Men set it up, they built it, they crawled beneath the ground to build sewers, they clambered incredible heights to build towers for housing, they fought to defend and did the dirty jobs in every city you’ve ever been in. Every country. They still do, for the large part. Generally men take more risks. So it’s only natural they’ve come to the fore. And terrible as it sounds, if it wasn’t for men, women would still be second class citizens in the west. Unlike in other parts of the world, due to our heritage, men listened and learned, we need women’s voices..

Like I said, set up by men, for men.

As far as the Western part of the world, please, the West has lost the right to condescend a long time ago. Heritage? Please. Colonization, rape, wars and endless pillaging is your heritage. Again, I don't know how this is debatable. But that's Western hegemony for you.

 

[Federberg]

Mate, I really have zero interest in patriarchy 101. You're aware of the history of our world, surely. Society was built by men, for men. I'm not being cute...I really don't know how this is debatable.

society was built by humankind. For humankind. Your claim is right out of feminist indoctrination camps. There were roles better suited to men than women, yes, absolutely. But the technological advancements of the last century have created a society now where roles don't need to be as gendered. If patriarchy was created solely for the benefit of men, are you claiming that suddenly in the last century men have decided to relinquish power? This doesn't make sense.

I must have missed the male secret societies where the decision was made. The fact is that men in the elites have dominated society, but the most likely to suffer, the fodder if you will are also men. Both ends of the curve...

 

[Kieran]

Like I said, set up by men, for men.

Can you imagine the chaos and delays if we had to wait for women to build these great cities?

As far as the Western part of the world, please, the West has lost the right to condescend a long time ago. Heritage? Please. Colonization, rape, wars and endless pillaging is your heritage. Again, I don't know how this is debatable. But that's Western hegemony for you.

None of this is exclusive to the West. It’s human nature, unfortunately. But our Judeo-Christian heritage, the Enlightenment, democracy (relatively speaking) and freedom of thought and expression (again, relatively), these grew from our heritage. Which meant women could rightly protest about their neglect, religions ceased having a stranglehold, and a host of other freedoms are part of the heritage of the West. The public square, where we have churches, synagogues, yoga classes which women can attend wearing tight clothing, pubs, mosques, all sides by side. These places are all largely a heritage of the West.

Yeah, we also gave the world communism, and socialism etc, but this world is never perfect..

 

[britbox]

If we look at things in terms of masculine and feminine, positive and negative, active and passive - the issue isn't so much what we do, it's where we place value.

If we take a traditional family unit which was the norm for thousands of years, different principles were applied to different roles. In recent years, the female or feminine principle has been devalued. It's now considered old-fashioned for a woman to manage a household, raise children etc....

Yet, if you place value on it as being the hardest and most important job in the world... then it changes. The mother is bringing through the next generation, instilling values and wisdom into the future of humanity....

That kind of thinking is often deemed patriarchal, stereotypical, demeaning - at least if you listen to what's being promoted out there. Real man actually really value real women. We don't need women to try and be men.

Unfortunately, more value has been placed on quotas in the workforce. It's apparently more progressive and more important to level the gender numbers in an insurance company's office than it is to nurture the next generation.

That doesn't mean women have to adhere to any stereotypes - it's just a complaint that traditional roles have been completely devalued.

 

[Murat B.]

If we look at things in terms of masculine and feminine, positive and negative, active and passive - the issue isn't so much what we do, it's where we place value.

If we take a traditional family unit which was the norm for thousands of years, different principles were applied to different roles. In recent years, the female or feminine principle has been devalued. It's now considered old-fashioned for a woman to manage a household, raise children etc....

Yet, if you place value on it as being the hardest and most important job in the world... then it changes. The mother is bringing through the next generation, instilling values and wisdom into the future of humanity....

That kind of thinking is often deemed patriarchal, stereotypical, demeaning - at least if you listen to what's being promoted out there. Real man actually really value real women. We don't need women to try and be men.

Unfortunately, more value has been placed on quotas in the workforce. It's apparently more progressive and more important to level the gender numbers in an insurance company's office than it is to nurture the next generation.

That doesn't mean women have to adhere to any stereotypes - it's just a complaint that traditional roles have been completely devalued.

This reminds of that study that was done world wide, 76 countries or so that led to the finding that the more egalitarian a society becomes, the more traditional roles both sexes gravitate towards. Scandinavian countries were a good example. They called it gender equality paradox. The conductors of the study were all on the left side of the political spectrum and imagine their surprise...they expected the exact opposite . Basically when men and women are equal in every aspect, the women still chose to be nurses and grade school teachers and they still were not interested in STEM fields. In societies where equality was non-existent, women went to any field dominated by men, including STEM because that is where the money was and they did not care if it was a male dominated occupation. You have to put bread on the table.
Big eye opener I think.

 

[brokenshoelace]

society was built by humankind. For humankind. Your claim is right out of feminist indoctrination camps. There were roles better suited to men than women, yes, absolutely. But the technological advancements of the last century have created a society now where roles don't need to be as gendered. If patriarchy was created solely for the benefit of men, are you claiming that suddenly in the last century men have decided to relinquish power? This doesn't make sense.

I must have missed the male secret societies where the decision was made. The fact is that men in the elites have dominated society, but the most likely to suffer, the fodder if you will are also men. Both ends of the curve...

Yes, men surely "relinquished power." That is why the biggest story of the century is a sex trafficking ring by the world's elite (men), in which women, no scratch that, girls, were being raped by men...with zero consequences. In fact, the most prominent name is currently the president of the United States. But yes, men don't run the world. They relinquished power.

 

[brokenshoelace]

If we look at things in terms of masculine and feminine, positive and negative, active and passive - the issue isn't so much what we do, it's where we place value.

If we take a traditional family unit which was the norm for thousands of years, different principles were applied to different roles. In recent years, the female or feminine principle has been devalued. It's now considered old-fashioned for a woman to manage a household, raise children etc....

Yet, if you place value on it as being the hardest and most important job in the world... then it changes. The mother is bringing through the next generation, instilling values and wisdom into the future of humanity....

That kind of thinking is often deemed patriarchal, stereotypical, demeaning - at least if you listen to what's being promoted out there. Real man actually really value real women. We don't need women to try and be men.

Unfortunately, more value has been placed on quotas in the workforce. It's apparently more progressive and more important to level the gender numbers in an insurance company's office than it is to nurture the next generation.

That doesn't mean women have to adhere to any stereotypes - it's just a complaint that traditional roles have been completely devalued.

Then you start thinking how many of these marriages worldwide, including in the civilized west, are women basically forced into something they never wanted and I don't know how much the equal rights thing really stays afloat to a realistic degree.

"Traditional family values" is just everyone's grandmothers being forced to deliver 6 children and everyone saying "marriages used to last." Let's be real.

 

[brokenshoelace]

This reminds of that study that was done world wide, 76 countries or so that led to the finding that the more egalitarian a society becomes, the more traditional roles both sexes gravitate towards. Scandinavian countries were a good example. They called it gender equality paradox. The conductors of the study were all on the left side of the political spectrum and imagine their surprise...they expected the exact opposite . Basically when men and women are equal in every aspect, the women still chose to be nurses and grade school teachers and they still were not interested in STEM fields. In societies where equality was non-existent, women went to any field dominated by men, including STEM because that is where the money was and they did not care if it was a male dominated occupation. You have to put bread on the table.
Big eye opener I think.

The key difference in all of this is consent and free will. A concept men struggle with, admittedly.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Can you imagine the chaos and delays if we had to wait for women to build these great cities?

None of this is exclusive to the West. It’s human nature, unfortunately. But our Judeo-Christian heritage, the Enlightenment, democracy (relatively speaking) and freedom of thought and expression (again, relatively), these grew from our heritage. Which meant women could rightly protest about their neglect, religions ceased having a stranglehold, and a host of other freedoms are part of the heritage of the West. The public square, where we have churches, synagogues, yoga classes which women can attend wearing tight clothing, pubs, mosques, all sides by side. These places are all largely a heritage of the West.

Yeah, we also gave the world communism, and socialism etc, but this world is never perfect..

Ah yes, I love it when "human nature" means whipping off entire civilizations and a degree of bloodlust that knows no bounds. If only was I aware that Gaza is just a product of human nature, I would have been less upset about those children.

Don't you just love it when "human nature" just leads to slavery, rape and murder. Too bad I missed the memo. Doesn't seem to be in my nature.

The thing white people tell themselves...Jesus Christ.

I'm so glad you guys gave us those Yoga classes. Should compensate for what you've done to Africa.

 

[Kieran]

Ah yes, I love it when "human nature" means whipping off entire civilizations and a degree of bloodlust that knows no bounds. If only was I aware that Gaza is just a product of human nature, I would have been less upset about those children.

Don't you just love it when "human nature" just leads to slavery, rape and murder. Too bad I missed the memo. Doesn't seem to be in my nature.

The thing white people tell themselves...Jesus Christ.

I'm so glad you guys gave us those Yoga classes. Should compensate for what you've done to Africa.

You should study human nature. It’s common to humans…

 

[brokenshoelace]

You should study human nature. It’s common to humans…

I wonder why we have all these prisons then. Since all the violence is human nature, why punish it?

Common =/= natural. Just FYI.