UK Politics Thread

[Federberg]

Interesting idea...

 

[Federberg]

for those who don't truly understand Britain and it's antipathy towards the EU...

The last sentence he spoke...

 

[Kieran]

for those who don't truly understand Britain and it's antipathy towards the EU...

The last sentence he spoke...

That's a great insight into both the British problem going into the war, and its mistrust of its European neighbours...

 

[Federberg]

That's a great insight into both the British problem going into the war, and its mistrust of its European neighbours...

The number of Brits of a certain generation who can't get over the fact that Germany and France in particular benefited from the post-war era economically far more than the UK is no joke. The resentment is real

 

[Kieran]

The number of Brits of a certain generation who can't get over the fact that Germany and France in particular benefited from the post-war era economically far more than the UK is no joke. The resentment is real

Why do you think they benefited more? The Marshall Plan?

 

[Federberg]

Why do you think they benefited more? The Marshall Plan?

partly because of that, but also their countries suffered more destruction, so they grew from a lower base. Economic momentum is a thing. After the war, Britain was still trying to hold on to the Commonwealth, France and Germany were completely focused on recovery.

 

[Federberg]

mainstream media folks...
@britbox you seen this??

 

[britbox]

mainstream media folks...
@britbox you seen this??

I get a "Video Not Available" message mate. Not sure if it's geo-restricted or the vid has been taken down.

 

[Moxie]

for those who don't truly understand Britain and it's antipathy towards the EU...

The last sentence he spoke...

I don't find any evidence that Britain believed, going into the war, that they would come out diminished. The initially believed the conflict would be more limited. They went in because Poland was invaded, and they had a pact with them. Interesting point, though, about them going to war to protect sovereign borders of others, and that they did fight the whole war. (With other countries of the Commonwealth?)

 

[Federberg]

I get a "Video Not Available" message mate. Not sure if it's geo-restricted or the vid has been taken down.

ah! that's a pity. I'll try to see if I can find another version

 

[Federberg]

I don't find any evidence that Britain believed, going into the war, that they would come out diminished. The initially believed the conflict would be more limited. They went in because Poland was invaded, and they had a pact with them. Interesting point, though, about them going to war to protect sovereign borders of others, and that they did fight the whole war. (With other countries of the Commonwealth?)

who said anything about Britain believing they would be diminished going into the war? The point is that a lot of older Brits have looked at the post-war period, going into the 70s, and feel that they were hard done by. They see the economic success of Germany and France in particular as something that happened because of the blood they spent.

 

[britbox]

mainstream media folks...
@britbox you seen this??

Saw it using a VPN. Yes, the old mainstream media lost all credibility... clearly just a tool of the oligarchy.

 

[Moxie]

who said anything about Britain believing they would be diminished going into the war? The point is that a lot of older Brits have looked at the post-war period, going into the 70s, and feel that they were hard done by. They see the economic success of Germany and France in particular as something that happened because of the blood they spent.

The guy in the video said that, and you said it was about the last sentence. So I focused on that. I did get the point of Brits being hard done by. I won't fight about it, I just thought that was part of your point, because you called the last sentence out. I think the guy was just wrong about that, but I get the more interesting point, for sure.

 

[Federberg]

The guy in the video said that, and you said it was about the last sentence. So I focused on that. I did get the point of Brits being hard done by. I won't fight about it, I just thought that was part of your point, because you called the last sentence out. I think the guy was just wrong about that, but I get the more interesting point, for sure.

I think you misunderstood the point he was trying to make, it was about noble sacrifice, doing what was right even if it would cost them. And as for the "knowing they would be diminished part", he was talking about Churchill and the leadership, not the British people in general. Facing a greater military power, that was a rational understanding of the consequences. The general population only came to see that after the war, when German and French companies, employment infrastructure growth flourished and Britain was still stuck trying to stop the disintegration of the British Empire. Some might say they would have been better advised to direct their fury at their own government for not focussing exclusively on the domestic economy

 

[Federberg]

 

[Federberg]

This is so true! I'm selling my business, and hoping the whole thing goes through before the tax year ends otherwise I'll get hit with an additional 4% Founders tax. The number of people I speak to who are talking about leaving the UK is incredible. Since Brexit it's been bad, but under this government it's becoming untenable

 

[britbox]

Very useful info from this British ex-Investment banker.



Leo AI Transcript Summary

The Nature of Power and Government​

• Governments as intermediaries, not power centers: Dixon argues that governments are essentially "battering rams" that take blame while serving as piggy banks in a debt-based Ponzi scheme, reallocating finance according to lobby interests
• The UK, EU, Australia, and Canada are subordinate to US corporate interests: These Western nations operate primarily to serve American financial and corporate power structures
• Politicians must be compromised to rise: To advance in politics, individuals need access to funding and must be compromised (blackmail material) to ensure mutual silence among the elites

The Debt-Based Monetary System​

• Fiat currency as a Ponzi scheme: Every pound and dollar is created with debt and perpetual interest, but the money to repay that interest doesn't exist, requiring continuous new loans
• Three classes of debt slaves: Consumers (highest interest rates), corporations (tiered access based on proximity to central banks), and governments (who absorb failed consumer and corporate debt)
• The K-shaped economy: Those with access to cheap capital acquire assets while everyone else goes deeper into debt, becoming assets themselves through interest payments
• Socialism for corporations, capitalism for everyone else: The system provides 0% loans to connected corporations while small businesses and consumers face high interest rates or no access to capital

The Financial Industrial Complex​

• BlackRock as the key player: Managing $12 trillion in assets with special relationships to the US Treasury and Federal Reserve, BlackRock holds 20,000 board seats across public companies and influences capital allocation globally
• Asset managers run the world: Through proxy voting rights on shares held in ETFs and pension funds, firms like BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street control corporate boards and decision-making
• Access to capital determines subordination: Executives and politicians become subordinate not through direct control but through dependence on capital access and the need to meet quarterly financial targets
  

Geopolitical Analysis​

The Ukraine-Russia War​

• A war between the US financial complex and Europe, not Ukraine and Russia: Dixon views the conflict as a mechanism to subordinate Europe and funnel money to US military contractors like Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics
• Zelensky as a tool of the military-industrial complex: Installed to create narratives justifying weapons purchases and debt that ultimately benefits American corporations
• BlackRock acquiring Ukrainian assets: Through World Bank-structured deals, Western financial institutions position themselves to acquire Ukrainian resources as collateral

The Decline of American Empire​

• America being shrunk into a regional power: Trump's tariff policies and deconstruction of the petrodollar system are deliberately shrinking the dollar from world reserve currency to regional currency
• Asset stripping phase: The current phase involves maximizing stock market gains while destroying the middle class, similar to what happened to the British Empire after World War I
• The rise of Asia and the Middle East: As the West declines, countries with sovereign wealth funds and control over their resources (Middle East, China, parts of Asia) will experience growth

Historical Context​

• The British Empire model: Created the debt-based system in 1694 with the Bank of England, using mercantilism and colonialism to extract resources globally while governments accumulated debt
• Transfer to American Empire: After World War II, the same system was replicated through the Federal Reserve, IMF, and World Bank, with 75% of world gold ending up in US control
• Afghanistan as a successful operation: Despite appearing as a failure, the 20-year war generated $2 trillion in revenue for corporations and restored drug trafficking that the original Taliban had stopped

The Role of Intelligence and Compromise​

• Epstein as part of a blackmail network: Jeffrey Epstein represented one iteration of ongoing intelligence blackmail operations (preceded by Roy Cohn and Charles Kushner) used to control politicians and executives
• Intelligence agencies fund themselves through black operations: The CIA, MI6, and Mossad engage in drug trafficking, weapons trafficking, and human trafficking to fund covert operations
• 9/11 as a multi-purpose operation: Dixon cites declassified FBI documents showing CIA, Mossad, and Saudi intelligence involvement, serving military-industrial complex, financial, and surveillance state interests

Technology and Surveillance​

• Palantir building "genocide as a service": The company provides mass surveillance technology for occupation in Gaza, crowd control in Saudi Arabia, and pre-crime agendas in the UK and Europe
• Elon Musk's role in the social credit score: Dixon argues Musk's companies are DARPA-funded and his job is to build the data infrastructure for a social credit system
• X (Twitter) as a data mining operation: The platform provides intelligence agencies with backdoor access and Doge was described as a data mining exercise rather than genuine government reform
  

Immigration and Civil Unrest​

• Weaponized immigration policy: Mass immigration is being used to manufacture civil unrest and justify surveillance state expansion through companies like Palantir
• Algorithmic radicalization: Social media algorithms compartmentalize users into ideological boxes (white nationalism, Christian conservatism, etc.) to radicalize them and create division
  

Bitcoin and Resistance​

• Bitcoin as boycott: Self-custody Bitcoin represents opting out of the Federal Reserve system, but most Bitcoin is being captured by institutions
• The centralization campaign: Through ETFs, corporate debt structures (like MicroStrategy), and mining consolidation, the financial industrial complex is centralizing Bitcoin control
• Self-custody as the key: Running nodes and maintaining self-custody is essential to preserve Bitcoin's decentralized nature, though the short-term price is captured by institutions
• Two-tiered Bitcoin emerging: About 70% of Bitcoin is in custody, creating a split between institutionally controlled Bitcoin and self-custodied Bitcoin

Tax and Monetary Theory​

• Tax doesn't fund government: Governments are funded by money printing; tax serves to create demand for currency and control inflation by contracting money supply
• Tax evasion is inflationary: Not paying taxes doesn't break the system because it's disinflationary, but refusing to pay mortgages and rent would break the banks
• MMT (Modern Monetary Theory) is better than current system: Under MMT, the treasury receives printed money rather than private banks, though Dixon notes the current system is even worse

Solutions and Personal Strategy​

• Boycott through local spending: Support local businesses, farmers, and community initiatives rather than global corporations
• Own assets outside the system: Hold Bitcoin in self-custody or physical gold to escape the debt-based monetary system
• Avoid debt: Pay off mortgages and avoid borrowing against Bitcoin or other assets to prevent subordination to the financial system
• Geographic arbitrage: Consider moving to countries with sovereign wealth funds and independent central banks (Asia, Middle East) where resources benefit citizens
• Time as scarce resource: Use your time altruistically to educate others about the system rather than chasing wealth within it

The Collapse Timeline​

• No sudden collapse: The decline manifests as gradual deterioration—smaller homes, longer work hours, lower pay, less family time, and reduced standards of living
• Debt can continue as long as growth exceeds interest costs: The US can maintain its $38 trillion debt as long as GDP growth (currently 4.7%) exceeds the average debt cost (3.3%)
• Fiscal dominance strategy: Trump's approach is to print money, spend it into the stock market, and roll over debt on short-term bills while long-term interest rates rise

Final Perspective​

• Not an organized cabal but systemic incentives: Dixon emphasizes this isn't a conspiracy of coordinated evil but a ruthless game of profit maximization in finite timeframes with zero ethics
• Wealth redistribution won't happen: Bitcoin and other solutions won't solve inequality but can save individuals willing to take action
• The decline of Western empire enables others to rise: For the first time in history, Africa and other colonized regions may be able to use their own resources as Western control weakens

 

[britbox]

Independent British Member of Parliament Rupert Lowe interviewed on the Peter McCormack show. Some of these revelations are new, others old - but all should be very disturbing to the British taxpayer:



LEO AI Transcript Summary

The British State as Enemy of the People​

• Lowe believes the British state has become the enemy of the electorate
• The state has grown too large, inefficient, and disrespectful of taxpayer money
• MPs' sovereignty has been undermined, particularly by Blairite legislation
• Parliament has been "neutered" by improper selection processes and lack of necessary skill sets
• Most MPs rely on their £93,000 salary, making them controllable (Lowe donates his to charity)
• The state encourages a dependency culture rather than self-reliance

The "Uniparty" Problem​

• British people have been "hoodwinked" into thinking they had choice between Labour and Conservatives
• Both parties represent what's called the "uniparty" - essentially the same
• The Conservatives failed to deliver meaningful change despite 14 years in power and two large majorities
• Labour's front bench is dominated by Fabian Society members with anti-individualist ideology
• The bureaucracy frustrated Brexit despite the 2016 referendum result

Public Accounts Committee Discoveries​

• Lowe serves on the Public Accounts Committee, uncovering massive government waste
• Found "billions and billions" in wasted taxpayer money
• The Bibby Stockholm asylum barge contract revealed enormous waste
• DWP (Department for Work and Pensions) has had qualified accounts for 37 consecutive years
• 48 "small government bodies" with budgets under £30 million operate as independent empires
• No clear accountability - unlike private sector, no one "carries the can" when things go wrong
• Government bodies use obscure accounting packages and run up vast legal and accounting fees

Missing Foreign Criminals​

• Lowe uncovered that 736 foreign criminals have gone missing
• The government admitted they've lost track of these individuals
• Raises questions about whether incompetence or something more sinister is occurring

Economic Concerns and Currency Crisis​

• Lowe questions how Britain's currency is holding up with no productive economy
• Compares Britain to Enron - appearing stable before sudden collapse
• Believes Britain may be "going bust" and perpetrating a fraud on its own electorate
• Predicts a massive currency crisis is coming
• When sterling corrects to reflect actual productivity, Britain will face severe problems
• The country lacks manufacturing base and is damaging food production

Money Creation and the Weimar Republic​

• Lowe tabled a 10-minute bill to ban quantitative easing (QE)
• Believes the state should not be able to print money
• Money printing allows the state to grow when it doesn't deserve to
• Drew parallels to Weimar Germany - unlimited money printing leads to hyperinflation and moral degradation
• Currency debasement happens slowly until sudden collapse
• Questions whether current government accounts are even accurate

The Labour Government's Failures​

• Labour ministers are "deeply unqualified" - Lowe wouldn't employ them
• They don't understand economics or how to run businesses
• Rachel Reeves talks about "regulating for growth" when she should be deregulating
• New taxes on employment (National Insurance increases) will accelerate job losses and AI adoption
• Inheritance tax on farms is "breaking the backbone of Britain"
• The government is creating exactly the opposite conditions needed for economic growth

Immigration and Remigration​

• Lowe's team has produced a document on mass deportation that he believes is deliverable
• Would immediately deport 10,500 foreign prisoners
• Would use Britain's aid budget as leverage - remove payments to countries that don't cooperate
• Believes immigration is tactical for Labour - it represents future votes for their party
• Postal voting needs to be "eviscerated" as it's open to complete fraud
• Block voting in Muslim communities is a problem
• Window to fix immigration issues may close by 2029

Grooming Gang Inquiry​

• Lowe is conducting an independent inquiry into grooming gangs after Nigel Farage promised one but didn't deliver
• 20,000 people donated £600,000 for the inquiry
• The barrister involved says he's never read such distressing witness statements in his entire career
• Grooming is happening systemically throughout Britain and continues today
• Police, social services, NHS, and local government have all failed to act
• Plans to pursue private prosecutions of those who failed in their duties
• Two-week hearing scheduled for February with witnesses, bound statements, politicians, and experts
• Report expected in April 2026
• Considers it a "national stain" that needs to be addressed

Argentina and Javier Milei​

• Lowe has "total admiration" for what Milei is doing in Argentina
• Argentina suffered 100 years of socialism before Milei
• Milei is an Austrian school economist like Lowe
• Argentina went from permanent deficit to surplus in about 3 months
• Slashed government workforce and spending
• Milei is "releasing Argentina from the manacles of socialism"
• Lowe's Argentinian friend warned it may need to get much worse in Britain before people want a Milei-type leader

Reform UK and Nigel Farage​

• Lowe was kicked out of Reform UK after Zia Yusaf and Lee Anderson gave "palpably false witness statements"
• Had to attend voluntary police interview at Hammersmith station (CPS later dropped the case)
• Believes Farage saw him as a threat
• Reform is now hiring former Conservative MPs who were "architects of failure"
• Recent hires include people from Boris Johnson's cabinet and Nadim Zahawi
• Lowe questioned Farage's plan for winning and saw no evidence of one
• Farage allegedly said Lowe had "early onset dementia" - which Lowe denies
• Lowe says he would "crawl on broken glass" to avoid working with Farage again
• Believes Reform will "change the pace of decay" but won't turn Britain around

Restore Britain Movement​

• After being expelled from Reform, Lowe set up "Restore Britain" as a movement, not a party
• Wanted to unite common sense thought
• Didn't want to set up a party immediately as it would have cost him his Public Accounts Committee position
• Has built relationships across Parliament, including with Muslim independents, Rosie Duffield, and Jeremy Corbyn
• Polls show Lowe at 9% nationally without even having a party (20% in East Midlands)

Potential Political Future​

• Lowe is considering establishing a political party after the grooming gang inquiry concludes
• Discussed potential cooperation with Ben Habib's Advance UK party
• Philosophical difference: Habib wanted a party immediately, Lowe wanted a movement first
• Believes change must come by 2029 or it may be too late
• Doesn't definitively say he wants to be Prime Minister but hasn't ruled it out
• Says he would have supported Farage as PM, but no longer believes he's the right material
• Emphasizes need for "fresh people" outside the establishment
• McCormack indicated he would support Lowe if he created a truly anti-establishment vehicle

State Corruption and Organized Crime​

• Lowe questions whether the British state is "in the hands of organized crime"
• COVID contracts involved misdirected funds and printed money that "went missing"
• Centrally-driven contracts are "an invitation for fraud"
• Compares to Italy where wealth transfers from north to south result in corruption
• Britain is no longer as honest as it used to be
• The rot from within mirrors what happened in Weimar Germany

The Regulatory State​

• HMRC operates with 22,000 pages of statute, crushing productive Britain
• FCA (Financial Conduct Authority) should be "shut down" - has destroyed London as capital-raising center
• Companies now list on NASDAQ instead of London
• Regulators prioritize pensioners and try to eliminate risk from investment
• Need risk-takers who back entrepreneurs to create wealth
• Businesses face enormous red tape - accounting, HR, compliance takes days per week
• Four tax returns per year will soon be required, with quarterly collection planned

Civil Service and Permanent Secretaries​

• Permanent secretaries show up to Public Accounts Committee for "a cup of tea" historically
• Lowe's direct questioning has created "disquiet" among committee members
• Answers from officials often leave him "more confused" than before asking
• Dame Antonia Julius (Home Office Permanent Secretary) is known as "the queen of woke"
• Has embedded DEI throughout justice department and now Home Office
• DEI provides jobs for people who "wouldn't be able to get a job anywhere else"

The Judiciary and Legal System​

• Tony Blair's creation of the Supreme Court means judiciary is "no longer honest"
• The judiciary has become "partisan and erratic"
• Can still get good judges "in the periphery" but the center has been "hollowed out"
• Lucy Connolly was sent to prison for a social media post while grooming gangs operate with impunity

Young People and Gen Z​

• Lowe's supporters are largely Gen Z
• They're "more right-wing than me" despite woke education
• They haven't had the same opportunities as previous generations
• Need to be "cut free" from statism to drive change using their technological knowledge
• Current system wants them as "servile slaves to the state"

Taxation and Fiscal Policy​

• Middle class are in worst position for tax collection - PAYE means it's automatically deducted
• Businesses collect PAYE, NI, pensions and "gift wrap it" for the state
• State is accelerating tax collection - moving from annual to quarterly
• Collecting tax in advance based on estimates rather than actual earnings
• Taxes should be transparent so people know what they pay and what they get
• Jefferson believed in totally transparent taxes to hold state accountable

Defense and International Relations​

• Britain has relied heavily on America as "global champion of peace"
• Britain has invested more in defense than Europe, but Europe has invested "very little"
• Lowe admires what Trump administration is doing - they have power to deliver what they say
• Relationships with US are important - Lowe appeared on Tucker Carlson
• Likes what Elon Musk, Marco Rubio, and JD Vance are saying
• Believes "the colonies need to rescue the mother nation"

Timeline and Urgency​

• Believes Britain must fix problems by 2029 or it may be too late
• Economy could collapse sooner if sterling collapses
• Labour will "cling to power" and be "hard to prize out"
• Approximately 3 years to turn things around
• After rape gang inquiry (February 2026), will focus on political vehicle for change

 

[britbox]

This is so true! I'm selling my business, and hoping the whole thing goes through before the tax year ends otherwise I'll get hit with an additional 4% Founders tax. The number of people I speak to who are talking about leaving the UK is incredible. Since Brexit it's been bad, but under this government it's becoming untenable

Founders Tax? So you get penalised and taxed for taking all the risk and starting a business?

I think Rupert Lowe might be on the money (interview above) where it's deliberate destruction.

 

[britbox]

All the Epstein Files fallout seeping into UK Politics. Peter Mandelson currently in the crosshairs....

Everyone feigning shock..