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“Law enforcement isn’t to prevent crime, law enforcement solves crime, ok? That is what they are supposed to do, they are supposed to solve crime, not necessarily prevent them from happening.”

This is Congressman Jasmine Crockett (D), pronouns She/Her/Ella:

 

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Charlie Kirk, the Conservative, has been shot at a university in Utah. Varying reports on the seriousness of his injuries…

The BBC reporting that he was shot in the neck and it doesn’t look good for him.
 
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Charlie Kirk, the Conservative, has been shot at a university in Utah. Varying reports on the seriousness of his injuries…

The BBC reporting that he was shot in the neck and it doesn’t look good for him.
it's horrific! I saw a clip on X. If it's real, and not AI, there's no way he survives that. That looked like a hit to the jugular:facepalm: What is wrong with people. FFS if you don't like what he's saying don't go!
 
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Jeez that’s so shocking! These fucking idiots in American campuses, radicalised by these places to be more stupid than they were when they went in. That is so sad!
Sad to say the same thing is happening in our uni's in Sydney, it was evident when my daughter went to Sydney Uni., thank goodness she has a mind of her own
BTW we also have very strict gun laws in Australia, thank goodness!
 
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Jeez that’s so shocking! These fucking idiots in American campuses, radicalised by these places to be more stupid than they were when they went in. That is so sad!
They haven't made an arrest yet, so standby before you draw conclusions.
 

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They haven't made an arrest yet, so standby before you draw conclusions.
Draw conclusions about what? That the left are violent, intolerant, angry, constantly encouraging destruction, abusive, ignorant and out of control?

Too late…
 

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Draw conclusions about what? That the left are violent, intolerant, angry, constantly encouraging destruction, abusive, ignorant and out of control?

Too late…
I actually agree with @Moxie on this. There's no evidence it's the left. Someone... about a month ago.. on X, actually claimed that Charlie Kirk was concerned that his anti-Israel views might put him in the cross-hairs of Israeli Intelligence. Look... even a broken clock is right twice a day.. so I'm in no way saying that's what happened. But the world is a little bit more complex than left and right. There's even a Russia-Ukraine angle... Kirk was pro- Russia. What I'm trying to say is that Charlie Kirk was right at the centre of many of the fissures that split left and right, but in that, there are many other actors who would be invested in his views/activities. Let's not jump to conclusions...

PS, there are even more insane conspiracy theories out there... like being a useful distraction to ease the pressure on the Epstein scandal. I didn't want to go there, but I'm trying to paint the picture which is definitely not black and white..
 
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I actually agree with @Moxie on this. There's no evidence it's the left. Someone... about a month ago.. on X, actually claimed that Charlie Kirk was concerned that his anti-Israel views might put him in the cross-hairs of Israeli Intelligence. Look... even a broken clock is right twice a day.. so I'm in no way saying that's what happened. But the world is a little bit more complex than left and right. There's even a Russia-Ukraine angle... Kirk was pro- Russia. What I'm trying to say is that Charlie Kirk was right at the centre of many of the fissures that split left and right, but in that, there are many other actors who would be invested in his views/activities. Let's not jump to conclusions...

PS, there are even more insane conspiracy theories out there... like being a useful distraction to ease the pressure on the Epstein scandal. I didn't want to go there, but I'm trying to paint the picture which is definitely not black and white..


I think Charlie Kirk was definitely pro-Israel, Netanyahu mourned him on X:



As for Russia-Ukraine, I’m not overly familiar with his thoughts there, I imagine he was against US involvement, and he recognised that Obama handed Crimea to Russia, which made this difficult for the US now.

As for jumping to conclusions, @Moxie - it felt to me - was referring to my possibly believing that someone on the left was possibly culpable for the shooting. I actually agree with you that it might be more complex, and such an accurate shot might suggest a hitman, but I stand by what I said: the left are violent, they encourage violence, they’re intolerant of other views, etc.

It might not be a wonky-wheel leftist who assassinated him, but they certainly are celebrating it and making fake equivalences to assert that he deserved it or brought it on himself. I was glad the MSNBC senior political analyst was fired for his crass, insensitive - but not unexpected - take on this horrible crime:

 

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Bibi’s tweet was politics mate. Kirk was asking questions we all want answered. For example…

 

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Bibi’s tweet was politics mate. Kirk was asking questions we all want answered. For example…


He wasn’t uncritical of Israel but he was definitely pro-Israel, from a religious perspective and also in war against Hamas. I’ve watched a few more recent videos of him both arguing and discussing this on his YouTube channel. The most recent is a discussion with Ben Shapiro, which I haven’t had time yet:

 

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I’m supportive of Israel too mate but like Kirk I see a nuance that questions the motives of Bibi. That’s my point. I don’t think Bibi is upset that one of the most important MAGA influencers is gone
 

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I wouldn't blame this on the traditional far left. They're too stupid and ill-equipped to be able to pull it off. Given the accuracy, it looks more like an assassination.

Kirk always seemed like a Christian Zionist to me. I'd be surprised if Israel had a hand in it... but then again I'd put nothing beyond those murderous rogues.
 

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This feels false flaggy to me. But I wouldn’t put anything past the trannies..

 
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This feels false flaggy to me. But I wouldn’t put anything past the trannies..


Lol. C'mon mate - All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology- It's not just a bit false flaggy! Nearly as ridiculous as those passports fluttering down from an exploded plane wrt 9/11. How people STILL believe this crap is beyond me.

The first questions I'd be asking...

1) Why is the FBI immediately involved when a local murder wouldn't typically be within their jurisdiction.
2) Why would "evidence" be immediately shared with a podcast host.

More Problem, Reaction, Solution crap.
 
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