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Catalan referendum: Clashes as voters defy Madrid
  • 17 minutes ago
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Police storm Catalan referendum polling station

Media captionPolice storm Catalan referendum polling station
Catalonia's independence referendum has begun in chaotic fashion, with clashes occurring as police attempt to prevent the vote from taking place.

The Spanish government has pledged to stop a poll that was declared illegal by the country's constitutional court.

Police officers are preventing people from voting, and seizing ballot papers and boxes at polling stations.

In the regional capital Barcelona, witnesses said police had fired rubber bullets during pro-referendum protests.

Thirty-eight people have been injured, most of them lightly, say Catalan emergency services.

Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont has condemned the "unjustifiable violence" of the Spanish state.

How is the day unfolding?
The ballot papers contain just one question: "Do you want Catalonia to become an independent state in the form of a republic?" There are two boxes: Yes or No.

Ahead of the polls opening, the Catalan government said voters could print off their own ballot papers and use any polling station if their designated voting place was shut.

In the town of Girona, riot police smashed their way into a polling station where Mr Puigdemont was due to vote.

Television footage showed them breaking the glass of the sports centre's entrance door and forcibly removing those attempting to vote.

However, Mr Puigdemont was still able to cast his ballot at another polling station.

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Image captionRiot police moved in on polling stations as the time came for them to open
Since Friday, thousands of separatist supporters had occupied schools and other buildings designated as polling stations in order to keep them open.

Many of those inside were parents and their children, who remained in the buildings after the end of lessons on Friday and bedded down in sleeping bags on gym mats.

In some areas, farmers positioned tractors on roads and in front of polling station doors, and school gates were taken away to make it harder for the authorities to seal buildings off.

Referendum organisers had called for peaceful resistance to any police action.

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Meanwhile, Catalonia's leader told the BBC the region will declare independence in a matter of days. In his first interview since the referendum, Carles Puigdemont said his government would "act at the end of this week or the beginning of next". When asked what he would do if the Spanish government were to intervene and take control of Catalonia's government, Mr Puigdemont said it would be "an error which changes everything".
 

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The Spanish authorities are basically gifting this to the separatists... unbelievable the way they've been attacked.
 

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The Spanish authorities are basically gifting this to the separatists... unbelievable the way they've been attacked.
Agreed! One of the dumbest moves I’ve ever seen. Would have been smarter to let them vote then dismiss it saying it had no constitutional authority, which seems to be the reason they tried to stop it. Many Catalans actually changed their votes because of their ham fisted intervention :facepalm:
 
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just lol

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dards-over-catalonia-and-kosovo-idUSKCN1C818G

accuses? they are openly anti-eastern/mid european...

Actually, they've been working openly to destroy this region... tear apart the blooming economies, tear countries apart, make wars when there's peace,

They are doing it atm too, look at Ukraine's new educational reform, the USA pushed their puppets to push it through despite all the negative feedback...

Serbia, Romania, etc etc are learning one by one that Satan is no one's friend, lol.....

the USA is bleeding out and it doesn't even know anymore where NOT to stir shit and make conflicts, however, that won't stop the USA from bleeding out.....

Meanwhile, poor Serbs, it hurts, right?

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Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has given Catalonia's separatist leader five days to say whether or not he has declared independence. If Carles Puigdemont confirms by Monday that he has, he will be given a further three days to withdraw the declaration. Failing that, Madrid will invoke Article 155 of the constitution allowing it to suspend the region's autonomy and impose direct rule.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41588819
 

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Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has given Catalonia's separatist leader five days to say whether or not he has declared independence. If Carles Puigdemont confirms by Monday that he has, he will be given a further three days to withdraw the declaration. Failing that, Madrid will invoke Article 155 of the constitution allowing it to suspend the region's autonomy and impose direct rule.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41588819

I don't think he's got a mandate to declare independence... the majority of people didn't vote and the pre-polls showed a majority weren't in favour of independence. However, the stupidity of the Spanish authorities in how they handled it - dragging people out of polling stations, beating the crap out of people and their general heavy handed approach is probably the biggest gift the separatists could have asked for.
 

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The Spanish government has said that the head of the Catalonia region has failed to clarify whether he declared independence last week. In a letter to Madrid on Monday, Carles Puigdemont instead called for negotiation over the next two months. Spain's Deputy PM Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said Mr Puigdemont now has until Thursday to clarify his position.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41632084
 

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Catalonia independence: Spain pushes to remove leaders
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Image captionLarge crowds have gathered in Barcelona to protest against direct rule from Madrid
The Spanish prime minister has outlined plans to remove Catalonia's leaders and take control of the separatist region.

Speaking after an emergency cabinet meeting on Saturday, Mariano Rajoy stopped short of dissolving the region's parliament but put forward plans for elections.

The measures must now be approved by Spain's Senate in the next few days.

Large crowds have gathered in Barcelona to protest against direct rule from Madrid.
 

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Catalans declare independence as Madrid imposes direct rule
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Media captionThe moment Catalan parliament declared independence
The Catalan regional parliament has voted to declare independence from Spain, while the Spanish parliament has approved direct rule over the region.

Catalan MPs backed the motion 70-10 in a ballot boycotted by the opposition.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy had told senators direct rule was needed to return "law, democracy and stability" to Catalonia.
 

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What a mess.

A few points...

The vote held by the Catalan people shouldn't be held up to be the defining voice because so many people didn't bother voting or to recognise it as some sort of official referendum + the Spanish police were wading into polling stations beating the crap out of people... either way you look at it, it's a severely warped vote. Apparently, remaining part of Spain was edging it in polls before the vote.

The Spanish authorities have messed this up big time by the way they behaved during and after the vote... They've driven a lot of people away.

The vote should be re-done properly and a decent period of time given for all parties to state their cases... which would probably be Catalan independence as it stands.
 

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So Carles Puigdemont is in Brussels after fleeing Spain... The EU don't want a separatist Catalan state, so his case will fall on deaf ears...