Biogenesis / Troicki / Cilic / Doping in Tennis
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
Oh wow .. that sucks..wondering if Anti doping is just looking for scapegoats to enhance their reputation
Oh wow .. that sucks..wondering if Anti doping is just looking for scapegoats to enhance their reputation
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
Why did they want to test him in Monte Carlo after his losing streak of 3 consecutive matches?
You would expect them to test those players who are winning most if not all of their matches, not those who are losing matches one after another what was Troicki's situation in MC.
Why did they want to test him in Monte Carlo after his losing streak of 3 consecutive matches?
You would expect them to test those players who are winning most if not all of their matches, not those who are losing matches one after another what was Troicki's situation in MC.
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
This is the link to Viktor Troick's repsonse to the ban
http://tennisconnected.com/home/2013/07/25/viktor-troicki-responds-to-suspension-announcement/
This is the link to Viktor Troick's repsonse to the ban
http://tennisconnected.com/home/2013/07/25/viktor-troicki-responds-to-suspension-announcement/
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
From memory, the rule is three missed tests, but I don't think this qualifies. To miss a test, you need to be absent when they call - even though you've given them the address. He refused to do the test and so a conclusion was drawn from this. Perhaps it should have been explained to him there and then, "a urine sample isn't the only thing we need and if you refuse the blood test, you'll be presumed guilty."
Perhaps this wasn't known by him. According to his own report, the doctor in charge of taking the sample gave him a pass, on condition Triocki explain himself to the ITF. He might have been wiser to get the same doctor to give him a note corroborating his story...
Well, there's an obvious answer to that, isn't there? If he's losing so much, the inference would be he took something to help break the streak. I'm not inferring that, by the way, because he took a test the next day and passed, but a random test is not based upon results...
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From memory, the rule is three missed tests, but I don't think this qualifies. To miss a test, you need to be absent when they call - even though you've given them the address. He refused to do the test and so a conclusion was drawn from this. Perhaps it should have been explained to him there and then, "a urine sample isn't the only thing we need and if you refuse the blood test, you'll be presumed guilty."
Perhaps this wasn't known by him. According to his own report, the doctor in charge of taking the sample gave him a pass, on condition Triocki explain himself to the ITF. He might have been wiser to get the same doctor to give him a note corroborating his story...
Mastoor said:
Well, there's an obvious answer to that, isn't there? If he's losing so much, the inference would be he took something to help break the streak. I'm not inferring that, by the way, because he took a test the next day and passed, but a random test is not based upon results...
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's correct. Three missed tests through being "unavailable" and not around to take one within an 18 month period. But flat out refusal is a failed test not a missed one.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's correct. Three missed tests through being "unavailable" and not around to take one within an 18 month period. But flat out refusal is a failed test not a missed one.
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
Depression. The builders had gone over budget and over time completing the panic room extension to his home.
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Depression. The builders had gone over budget and over time completing the panic room extension to his home.
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
He was unfairly treated for sure. That's basically the single offense he made by refusing one test in 18 months. They have to make an example if the required number of tests were missed/refused but in this case it's just one refused. In that respect I think it's unjust. You can look at it numerous ways:
(a) He was naive/stupid to accept the doctor's notion that he could say he felt unwell and write the ITF a letter. Should've at least got something in writing from the doctor which it appears he didn't.
(b) He genuinely did have something to hide and knew the urine sample wouldn't show anything. The fact that he passed the blood test the following day means absolutely zilch as you can clean your blood in mere hours. Not in any way saying he was doping but merely that passing next day means nothing.
(c) He's on tour quite some time now and surely has the brains to know that you have to comply by their rules and it looks bad for you if you refuse a blood test. Many people don't like needles but he has to realize a refusal to give blood could and now did seriously jeopardize his career.
He seems like a nice guy (but not the brightest) so it's harsh but it's already a reduced sentence. It's meant to be 2 years and is only 18 months and maybe he'll appeal it (doubtful) but most likely they may shorten it further.
He was unfairly treated for sure. That's basically the single offense he made by refusing one test in 18 months. They have to make an example if the required number of tests were missed/refused but in this case it's just one refused. In that respect I think it's unjust. You can look at it numerous ways:
(a) He was naive/stupid to accept the doctor's notion that he could say he felt unwell and write the ITF a letter. Should've at least got something in writing from the doctor which it appears he didn't.
(b) He genuinely did have something to hide and knew the urine sample wouldn't show anything. The fact that he passed the blood test the following day means absolutely zilch as you can clean your blood in mere hours. Not in any way saying he was doping but merely that passing next day means nothing.
(c) He's on tour quite some time now and surely has the brains to know that you have to comply by their rules and it looks bad for you if you refuse a blood test. Many people don't like needles but he has to realize a refusal to give blood could and now did seriously jeopardize his career.
He seems like a nice guy (but not the brightest) so it's harsh but it's already a reduced sentence. It's meant to be 2 years and is only 18 months and maybe he'll appeal it (doubtful) but most likely they may shorten it further.
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
I agree with all of that, Front. He didn't miss the test, he refused it. Totally different thing, and he should have gotten a sicknote from the doctor who was taking the test. It beggars belief that he has a condition that can hospitalise him if he does a blood test, and this wasn't known by the ITF.
Again, nobody can say he was on drugs that day, but it's a panic-room scenario: they came calling and he didn't provide...
I agree with all of that, Front. He didn't miss the test, he refused it. Totally different thing, and he should have gotten a sicknote from the doctor who was taking the test. It beggars belief that he has a condition that can hospitalise him if he does a blood test, and this wasn't known by the ITF.
Again, nobody can say he was on drugs that day, but it's a panic-room scenario: they came calling and he didn't provide...
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RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months
To be honest the more I think about it he probably had to be doping. He's given blood before and surely knows the consequences of failing to do so when required. Presumably he needed the extra day to flush the dirty blood out and hoped they'd buy his rather lame excuse. The thing that kinda strikes me as unfair though is this was his only refused/missed test in the required period and you're allowed more than one missed/refused so they overstepped the line in punishing him as much as he did by not complying.
Kieran said:
To be honest the more I think about it he probably had to be doping. He's given blood before and surely knows the consequences of failing to do so when required. Presumably he needed the extra day to flush the dirty blood out and hoped they'd buy his rather lame excuse. The thing that kinda strikes me as unfair though is this was his only refused/missed test in the required period and you're allowed more than one missed/refused so they overstepped the line in punishing him as much as he did by not complying.
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