US Politics Thread

[Front242]

Stop thinking like these common twittish activists we see and hear polluting our brainwaves in Ireland with their immature, sheeplike, prejudiced views. Iran have stated constantly stated since they began to be ruled by the Ayatollahs of Mordor that they want nothing more than to nuke the “Great Satan” and the “Little Satan” as soon as they’re capable of it.

Not gonna happen, chap, and believe me, if the hardline nuts in the ME get their way and destroy Israel, it would be the worst day in your life, and then things will get really bad. You just don’t have the wit to understand why..

No nation will nuke another for no reason as it'd be the end of the planet. Israel have 90 undeclared nukes that anyone who does some research already knows and the US have thousands. Iran damn well need some self defense against these animals.

 

[Kieran]

No nation will nuke another for no reason as it'd be the end of the planet. Israel have 90 undeclared nukes that anyone who does some research already knows and the US have thousands. Iran damn well need some self defense against these animals.

You really should research more. You’re thinking of all the wrong things. I wouldn’t blame Israel if they had a thousand secret weapons. Nowhere in this world is a Jew safe except in that tiny, great country, Israel, and Israel isn’t about to go quietly. Tell the mullahs to hush their maniacal rhetoric and violent promises, and also to allow their own people and non Muslims to be free, and you would see a different picture. That’s not happening soon, unfortunately..

 

[Front242]

You really should research more. You’re thinking of all the wrong things. I wouldn’t blame Israel if they had a thousand secret weapons. Nowhere in this world is a Jew safe except in that tiny, great country, Israel, and Israel isn’t about to go quietly. Tell the mullahs to hush their maniacal rhetoric and violent promises, and also to allow their own people and non Muslims to be free, and you would see a different picture. That’s not happening soon, unfortunately..

There's not one single great thing about Israel...

Except maybe that they're great at starting wars and murdering innocent people, mostly women and children.

The US are pros at that too. 1 million Iraqis killed for nothing and 175 school girls in Iran and countless other innocent people and for what? Oil. Cunts. That's all those in power in both countries are. I hate that word but it's the only way to describe them.

 

[Kieran]

There's not one single great thing about Israel...

Except maybe that they're great at starting wars and murdering innocent people, mostly women and children.

The US are pros at that too. 1 million Iraqis killed for nothing and 175 school girls in Iran and countless other innocent people and for what? Oil. Cunts. That's all those in power in both countries are. I hate that word but it's the only way to describe them.

And yet you love Putin, that’s really funny…and a little bit revealing…

 

[Murat B.]

No nation will nuke another for no reason as it'd be the end of the planet. Israel have 90 undeclared nukes that anyone who does some research already knows and the US have thousands. Iran damn well need some self defense against these animals.

I don't know where you live but I have lived next to these perverts for a long time. If Iran had nukes, it would take them 11 minutes to use them because they WANT to die. As long as they take out a couple of US cities and Israel, they will die happy. It wasn't always like this. This regime though....literally %99 of the expats here in Canada want it gone. I see US and Iranian flags together here everywhere. People are wearing Make Iran Great Again hats. In public. I see Reza Pehlevi posters everywhere.
Your defence of the current Iranian regime is beyond belief. They are cowards. They do not attack people directly but they train other losers like Hamas , Hezbollah , etc to do their dirty work Iran's major export is not oil, it is terrorism. Middle east would not be perfect, but it would be a much better and safer place if this regime is gone.
As for Israel. You said they are great at starting wars. In their history, they have initiated only one war and even that is dubious as the Sinai war was started in 1956 in response to Egypt's closing of Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships All the other wars, others started (or provoked) and Israel retaliated.

Ask yourself this question: What would happen if Israel said they are unilaterally disarming and will not retaliate to any attack? And what would happen if Iran and its proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad said the same thing?
Let me save you the suspense...In the first scenario, there would not be any Israel left and you would not be able to find one Jew in the Middle East. Second scenario? There would be peace in the Middle East , at least for a while.

 

[britbox]

Here's the paradox - everyone thinks that their own governments are nuts and not doing a damn thing for the welfare of their own citizens.

Americans in the US
Canadians in Canada
Brits in the UK
Aussies in Oz...
end yes, even a vast number of Israelis in Israel.

yet, many of the same people seem to be applauding these forces committing or supporting murder on a mass scale - bombing sitting ducks, ethnic cleansing...

Don't we hear this shit time over again...? Oh yes, "we" need to bomb the crap out of all these people because they'll attack us if we don't (within minutes).... How many times do you need to hear these lies and believing the same rants out of the same bloody playbook over and over again? Libya, Syria, Iraq...

By the way @Murat B. there were plenty of Jews living side by side with Muslims and Christians in the Middle East long before the state of Israel was created, and there are still Jews living in Iran now.

You won't ever "bomb" extremists out of the way - you'll just create more and more of them in future generations.

 

[Murat B.]

By the way @Murat B. there were plenty of Jews living side by side with Muslims and Christians in the Middle East long before the state of Israel was created, and there are still Jews living in Iran now.

That is true. And for the most part, they were getting along too. When Jews were being kicked out of every European nation, it was the Turks who welcomed them. There is still a healthy population of Jews in Turkey, my cousin is married to one. But they are not as comfortable as they were before. And it is mostly because of the Iranian regime and its proxies. After the islamic revolution in Iran and the establishment of IRGC, the following organizations came on the scene, all funded partly by Iran and trained by IRGC:
Hezbollah, Badr, Palastinian Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Ansar Allah ( Houtis in Yemen) and more....These organizations, and Iran, do not care that Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived together for centuries. They just want Israel gone.

So, the question then is this: When you know what these terrorists want, when you know who is behind them, funding them and training them, what do you do about it ?

 

[britbox]

That is true. And for the most part, they were getting along too. When Jews were being kicked out of every European nation, it was the Turks who welcomed them. There is still a healthy population of Jews in Turkey, my cousin is married to one. But they are not as comfortable as they were before. And it is mostly because of the Iranian regime and its proxies. After the islamic revolution in Iran and the establishment of IRGC, the following organizations came on the scene, all funded partly by Iran and trained by IRGC:
Hezbollah, Badr, Palastinian Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Ansar Allah ( Houtis in Yemen) and more....These organizations, and Iran, do not care that Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived together for centuries. They just want Israel gone.

So, the question then is this: When you know what these terrorists want, when you know who is behind them, funding them and training them, what do you do about it ?

Hezbollah's origins can be more closely linked with Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon mate - not the Islamic Revolution. Hamas was a reaction to Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. You know what? The vast majority of people can't abide extremists... but that works both ways... and it's why you'll never bomb extremists out of existence - just create more of them. And the morons doing the bombing are extremists too IMO.

 

[Front242]

That is true. And for the most part, they were getting along too. When Jews were being kicked out of every European nation, it was the Turks who welcomed them. There is still a healthy population of Jews in Turkey, my cousin is married to one. But they are not as comfortable as they were before. And it is mostly because of the Iranian regime and its proxies. After the islamic revolution in Iran and the establishment of IRGC, the following organizations came on the scene, all funded partly by Iran and trained by IRGC:
Hezbollah, Badr, Palastinian Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Ansar Allah ( Houtis in Yemen) and more....These organizations, and Iran, do not care that Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived together for centuries. They just want Israel gone.

So, the question then is this: When you know what these terrorists want, when you know who is behind them, funding them and training them, what do you do about it ?

We keep hearing people talk about the middle eastern terrorists while conveniently leaving out that shit hole Israel but the US and Israel are the biggest terrorist states on the planet right now and it's not even close.

Since being re-elected, Trump has threatened to annex Canada (wtaf), attacked Venezuela for their oil, threatened Greenland multiple times and isn't finished there either, attacked Iran with Israel and he's got Cuba on the radar also. It's pretty clear who the world's top terrorist states are. Who's going to sanction the US and Israel? No countries have the balls. They've destroyed world economies and yet have to audacity to sanction everyone under the sun and do whatever the fuck they want, murdering tons of innocent people along the way.

 

[Federberg]

Are you fucking nuts? Iran never had an intention to attack America, and Israel? Are you saying this with a straight face?

Why do you always defend without fail the most wicked, evil despots?

I think the issue the world has with adventure is that there wasn't a new threat from Iran. If fact if we are to take the word of Israel and the US then their attack on Iran last year seriously degraded Iran's capabilities. So it's not clear to me how this attack on Iran can possibly be justified. Certainly not by America. I can well understand Israel feeling some justification. But America being led by the nose by Israel was not on the bingo card

 

[Federberg]

We keep hearing people talk about the middle eastern terrorists while conveniently leaving out that shit hole Israel but the US and Israel are the biggest terrorist states on the planet right now and it's not even close.

Since being re-elected, Trump has threatened to annex Canada (wtaf), attacked Venezuela for their oil, threatened Greenland multiple times and isn't finished there either, attacked Iran with Israel and he's got Cuba on the radar also. It's pretty clear who the world's top terrorist states are. Who's going to sanction the US and Israel? No countries have the balls. They've destroyed world economies and yet have to audacity to sanction everyone under the sun and do whatever the fuck they want, murdering tons of innocent people along the way.

it really pains me but I can't find a single point you've made in this post that I can argue with!

 

[Federberg]

That is true. And for the most part, they were getting along too. When Jews were being kicked out of every European nation, it was the Turks who welcomed them. There is still a healthy population of Jews in Turkey, my cousin is married to one. But they are not as comfortable as they were before. And it is mostly because of the Iranian regime and its proxies. After the islamic revolution in Iran and the establishment of IRGC, the following organizations came on the scene, all funded partly by Iran and trained by IRGC:
Hezbollah, Badr, Palastinian Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Ansar Allah ( Houtis in Yemen) and more....These organizations, and Iran, do not care that Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived together for centuries. They just want Israel gone.

So, the question then is this: When you know what these terrorists want, when you know who is behind them, funding them and training them, what do you do about it ?

I'm on record stating that Israel had a legitimate argument for attacking Iran. Even if we all know that this is more about Bibi finding a way to remain in power. But the more serious question is this... does anyone believe that more Iranians now, after this war, will be pro-America or less? I'm not sure the situation is better. I'm no Obama fan, but I think cancelling the deal he put together was a terrible mistake. Funnily enough the combination of that deal and Trump's more aggressive sanctions on Iran seemed to be weakening the regime. All that's happened now is that the theocrats have been deposed and Iran is now a military Islamic Republic. One that probably is absolutely convinced that acquiring nuclear weapons is essential for survival, and one that has actually gained geopolitical strength by controlling the Straits of Hormuz. Two things can be true, Iran was bad, but attacking it was monumentally stupid

 

[Federberg]

just watched a geopolitical expert make the very valid point that this TACO by Trump over the Iran war could be America's Suez moment. The loss of prestige is incalculable. It's going to be fascinating watching Trump's foreign policy going into the mid-terms. Iran basically called his bluff and he capitulated. How easy is it going to be for him to throw his weight around on the global stage after this? Already Zelensky has gone to the GCC countries and signed deals with them, despite furious objections from Rubio. The Saudis and UAE listened to him then completely ignored him. I can bet that Trump will be trying to force Ukraine to stop bombing Russia's oil and gas infrastructure. I highly doubt Zelensky will listen. Why should he? What's in it for him? This is the thing the orange buffoon has never understood, the thing with power is that it's powerful when you don't use it. But he's literally shot his load now, and Iran didn't even blink...

And don't get me started on how differently the GCC will look at both America and Israel after this. Those two countries, by prosecuting this attack, put the GCC in jeopardy. There is damage that will take years to recover from. Do you think they'll be upset with Ukraine for destroying Russia's oil and gas infrastructure? The country that aided their enemy Iran? I doubt it. I wouldn't be shocked if the Chinese and Europeans start picking up mega deals in the GCC at the expense of American companies. Nor would I be surprised if the likes of Japan and Korea get much closer to NATO, which effectively excludes America. This has been a complete disaster for America, and I don't think a new more friendly administration will be able to change this, because they will all say.. you voted this motherfucker in. We don't trust you anymore!

 

[Murat B.]

Hezbollah's origins can be more closely linked with Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon mate - not the Islamic Revolution. Hamas was a reaction to Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. You know what? The vast majority of people can't abide extremists... but that works both ways... and it's why you'll never bomb extremists out of existence - just create more of them. And the morons doing the bombing are extremists too IMO.

If that is correct , I guess everyone picks their own extremists and off we go. I don't believe they are the same though. in the last 20 years, over 250000 Iranians either emigrated to or seeked refugee status in Canada. Half a million Iranians are living in the US, %80 of them born in Iran. No one from these parts are going to Iran for a better life. No one is building make shift boats in Miami to escape to Cuba. No South Korean is risking their lives to escape to North Korea.

When someone wants a better life, the traffic is always towards my extremists brother. That includes me. As much as I complain about the direction of Canada, at least I do not have to worry that my daughter will have to deal with the Gasht-e Ershad (morality police).

 

[britbox]

If that is correct , I guess everyone picks their own extremists and off we go. I don't believe they are the same though. in the last 20 years, over 250000 Iranians either emigrated to or seeked refugee status in Canada. Half a million Iranians are living in the US, %80 of them born in Iran. No one from these parts are going to Iran for a better life. No one is building make shift boats in Miami to escape to Cuba. No South Korean is risking their lives to escape to North Korea.

When someone wants a better life, the traffic is always towards my extremists brother. That includes me. As much as I complain about the direction of Canada, at least I do not have to worry that my daughter will have to deal with the Gasht-e Ershad (morality police).

I'd suggest it's more towards the work and money to be honest... and yes, I'm well aware people also flee warzones. But you still make a valid point on migration flows.

Still, If you examine Iran's migration figures:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.NETM?locations=IR

Then you'll see that in most years more people go to Iran than leave. There are two massive downward spikes in there - and these are generally related to economic circumstances. Sure, some of the incoming migrants are also refugees fleeing warzones in surrounding areas. If it's open season on Iran, expect massive flows out.

 

[britbox]

When someone wants a better life, the traffic is always towards my extremists brother. That includes me. As much as I complain about the direction of Canada, at least I do not have to worry that my daughter will have to deal with the Gasht-e Ershad (morality police).

I wouldn't bet on that indefinitely - although probably not the morality police - it will be the immorality police in the west... they're already arresting people in the UK for tweets.

 

[Murat B.]

I'd suggest it's more towards the work and money to be honest... and yes, I'm well aware people also flee warzones. But you still make a valid point on migration flows.

Still, If you examine Iran's migration figures:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.NETM?locations=IR

Then you'll see that in most years more people go to Iran than leave. There are two massive downward spikes in there - and these are generally related to economic circumstances. Sure, some of the incoming migrants are also refugees fleeing warzones in surrounding areas. If it's open season on Iran, expect massive flows out.

Money you say...But why? Iran is an oil rich country, just like Canada. It has a rich history. Open to all the trade routes. It is as if the ruling Mollahs do not want the people to have any of that oil pie.... Not unlike Venezuela...an oil rich nation where after communism people resorted to eating pets because according to studies, in 2017, average Venezuelan lost 20 pounds because of food shortages, in an oil rich economy !
Listen, we get screwed here too but at least they use a lubricant and we get to keep some of the crumbs.

 

[Murat B.]

I wouldn't bet on that indefinitely - although probably not the morality police - it will be the immorality police in the west... they're already arresting people in the UK for tweets.

No arguments there from me. Same in Canada, maybe worse. But I think this is a trend and free speech will prevail. I hope.

 

[britbox]

Money you say...But why? Iran is an oil rich country, just like Canada. It has a rich history. Open to all the trade routes. It is as if the ruling Mollahs do not want the people to have any of that oil pie.... Not unlike Venezuela...an oil rich nation where after communism people resorted to eating pets because according to studies, in 2017, average Venezuelan lost 20 pounds because of food shortages, in an oil rich economy !
Listen, we get screwed here too but at least they use a lubricant and we get to keep some of the crumbs.

Also sanctions mate - very tough sanctions. Being an oil rich nation comes with many strings attached.

 

[britbox]

No arguments there from me. Same in Canada, maybe worse. But I think this is a trend and free speech will prevail. I hope.

Maybe, or it could be like Orwell's 1984... under an all encompassing technocracy. Certainly seems to be the way things are being set up behind the scenes. Iran and Russia are part of that too - Digital ID, Digital Currencies, Transaction Monitoring - every country on earth seems to be implementing it while the citizens are distracted by debating who is worst psychopath on the world stage.