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Today's match was tough as hell alright. But he got through it.
17-Mar-2017 03:40 PM
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(17-Mar-2017 02:19 PM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  With Kyrgios having withdrawn, Fed's top 8 ranking should be pretty secure until the grass season.

Don't think we can be so sure of that. There are three Masters and RG before grass. They together are worth 5000 points. Also, there are several itsy bitsy tourneys including a Barcy 500. So, lot of things could change, especially since Fed is going on a hiatus and will lose MC points during the hiatus.

If Fed wins IW and/or he reaches SF in Miami also, it is reasonably secure.

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17-Mar-2017 03:55 PM
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RE: Rankings
(17-Mar-2017 03:55 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  
(17-Mar-2017 02:19 PM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  With Kyrgios having withdrawn, Fed's top 8 ranking should be pretty secure until the grass season.

Don't think we can be so sure of that. There are three Masters and RG before grass. They together are worth 5000 points. Also, there are several itsy bitsy tourneys including a Barcy 500. So, lot of things could change, especially since Fed is going on a hiatus and will lose MC points during the hiatus.

If Fed wins IW and/or he reaches SF in Miami also, it is reasonably secure.

And also whether he decides to play a clay masters before RG or not. He might be able to scrap a few points there. (maybe Tongue)
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RE: Rankings
(17-Mar-2017 03:55 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  
(17-Mar-2017 02:19 PM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  With Kyrgios having withdrawn, Fed's top 8 ranking should be pretty secure until the grass season.

Don't think we can be so sure of that. There are three Masters and RG before grass. They together are worth 5000 points. Also, there are several itsy bitsy tourneys including a Barcy 500. So, lot of things could change, especially since Fed is going on a hiatus and will lose MC points during the hiatus.

If Fed wins IW and/or he reaches SF in Miami also, it is reasonably secure.

Yeah, but people are going to be defending points from those tournaments also. I suppose that "pretty secure" may be overstating it, but as long as he has reasonable runs (say 4R/QF) in Miami/Rome/RG, he ought to more than compensate for the points he loses in Monte Carlo.

Thiem, for example, defends a SF at RG and QF in Rome, for 900 points in total from those two events. Cilic, admittedly, defends almost nothing on clay.

But I guess Fed is the favourite now to win IW - and if he does, or at least beats Sock to reach the final, this whole discussion becomes pretty academic. Smile
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RE: Rankings
If Roger wins IW, he will be ranked #6. It is not clear whether Raonic is ready for action yet. Also, with the rumors that Novak is skipping Miami, there is a small, but non-negligible chance, that Roger may get a top four seeding in Miami (not that he needs it).

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18-Mar-2017 10:44 AM
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As everyone knows, Sir Andy drops out of Miami. It looks like Raonic is ready to play. However, Fed will still get #4 seed, if he wins IW and if Novak drops out as rumored.

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18-Mar-2017 10:18 PM
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(18-Mar-2017 10:44 AM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  If Roger wins IW, he will be ranked #6. It is not clear whether Raonic is ready for action yet. Also, with the rumors that Novak is skipping Miami, there is a small, but non-negligible chance, that Roger may get a top four seeding in Miami (not that he needs it).

The way he plays, he does not need it.
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RE: Rankings
(19-Mar-2017 07:35 AM)herios Wrote:  
(18-Mar-2017 10:44 AM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  If Roger wins IW, he will be ranked #6. It is not clear whether Raonic is ready for action yet. Also, with the rumors that Novak is skipping Miami, there is a small, but non-negligible chance, that Roger may get a top four seeding in Miami (not that he needs it).

The way he plays, he does not need it.

Yes, haha. But, I don't like that Miami surface at all. No No

19-Mar-2017 10:23 AM
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It is now official. Novak has withdrawn from Miami. Therefore Stan will be the top seed in Miami.
Nishikori and Milos will be #2 and #3 respectively. If Roger wins the final today at IW, he will be the fourth seed; otherwise Rafa will be the fourth seed.

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RE: Rankings
New career high as of March 20, 2017:

17. Jack Sock 24y
19. Pablo Carreno-Busta 25y
42. Diego Schwartzman 24y
58. Yoshihito Nishioka 21y
66. Damir Dzumhur 24y
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^Wow, that Nishioka is up to 58th already? Sock hasn't ever really impressed me that much but it's not that I don't like him. He just looks like a guy who will max out at or around #10.
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(20-Mar-2017 09:09 AM)DarthFed Wrote:  ^Wow, that Nishioka is up to 58th already? Sock hasn't ever really impressed me that much but it's not that I don't like him. He just looks like a guy who will max out at or around #10.

I agree about Sock, a big serve and a strong FH was enough to get him here in the top 20. After seeing him more this week, I see where he is lacking, movement, speed and BH, without improvement in those areas, he will not get into the top 10.
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^ Exactly what I thought too.
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If Rafa and Nishikori both reach the semis (as seems more likely than not given the state of the bottom half), Fed will need semis to enter top 5 and win the title for the #4 spot.

If one of them misses the semis, Fed is guaranteed top 5 and needs to match the other for #4 ranking.

Not bad given where he started the year ...

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RE: Rankings
So, as we know Federer rose to #4 and Nadal to #5.

What are the chances Federer will still be in #4 by the start of RG, given he won't be playing in the clay-court season?

Fed will drop his Monte-Carlo QF, taking him to 5125 points, 390 ahead of Nadal. I believe Wawrinka is guaranteed to be ranked ahead of him at the FO, no matter what happens.

Rafa has good clay-court warm-up results to defend from last year, with wins in Monte-Carlo and Barcelona, SF in Madrid, and QF in Rome. So, he'd have to do something like W/F/SF in the three MS, and defend Barcelona, in order to overtake Fed. He's not done this since 2013, and while he's clearly doing well, I am not sure that he is playing quite as well as in 2013. On the other hand, it is not clear how well his main opposition will be doing either. So he's certainly capable of it in principle, but it's hardly a given.

(On the other hand, he is very likely to be ahead of Fed in the rankings after RG.)

I don't see anyone else likely to overtake Fed. Raonic has never had that much success on clay, while Nishikori has a fair amount of points to defend already.

So I'd probaly put it at at least 50-50 that Roger may get a top 4 seeding for Roland Garros. I would have never thought that was remotely possible, even after his AO win.
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New career highs on April 3, 2017:

15. Jack Sock 24y
41. Diego Schwartzman 24y
75. Jared Donaldson 20y
82. Radu Albot 27y
95. Ernesto Escobedo 20y

Another American young player enters into top 100 this week, Escobedo.
he came out of nowhere in the last few months, zooming past many others which were talked about before: Paul, Opelka, Kozlov. I am very curious where he will develop.
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Nice to see Jared Donaldson finally move up. I don't have high expectations for him, but could see him as a fixture in the 20-50, and occasionally dipping into the top 20.
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(04-Apr-2017 01:17 PM)El Dude Wrote:  Nice to see Jared Donaldson finally move up. I don't have high expectations for him, but could see him as a fixture in the 20-50, and occasionally dipping into the top 20.

Only reason he made it into the list is someone gave him a walkover at Miami due to injuries.

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That isn't the only reason. He also qualified and beat his 1st and 2nd round opponents, Kyle Edmund and Mischa Zverev - both in the top 50. He gained an extra 45 points because Milos withdrew, but if he had lost to Milos he still would have gone from #95 to #85, so he got those extra 10 ranks courtesy of Milos, but earned the first 10 himself.
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(04-Apr-2017 01:09 PM)herios Wrote:  New career highs on April 3, 2017:

15. Jack Sock 24y
41. Diego Schwartzman 24y
75. Jared Donaldson 20y
82. Radu Albot 27y
95. Ernesto Escobedo 20y

Another American young player enters into top 100 this week, Escobedo.
he came out of nowhere in the last few months, zooming past many others which were talked about before: Paul, Opelka, Kozlov. I am very curious where he will develop.

I'm interested to see if Tiafoe makes some progress. He must have jumped a few spots this past week.
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