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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
Points to defend aren't really relevant here -given that he has nothing much to defend, his best ranking this year is virtually guaranteed to be his YE ranking.

Last year Djokovic won two GS and reached another final, not to mention however many MS events he won. He still only ended up as #2.

Ok, this year is likely to see the points a bit more split around. Even so, I don't think Roger can or should play the kind of schedule that would make this likely. If he wins Wimbledon, it could happen I suppose. But it will depend on the other guys too.

Barring injury, top 4 seems much more likely. But let's remember that there are quite a few players who will probably be in contention. Are we really expecting a big 4 YE top 4? If not, who would drop out? Fed has a head start, but the year is very very young.
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
Djokovic is defending a ton of points till RG as is Murray for the whole year. Still think Roger makes year end top 2.
01-Feb-2017 08:32 AM
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
(01-Feb-2017 08:32 AM)Front242 Wrote:  Djokovic is defending a ton of points till RG as is Murray for the whole year. Still think Roger makes year end top 2.

How is defending points relevant? Surely all that matters is how much they win for the rest of the year. In 2015, Fed won 6 titles, including 1 MS, reached 11 finals (including 2 GS + 3 MS + WTF) - and still ended up #3 in the world.

Of course, I'd love to see it - but not at the cost of injury / fatigue leading to losing out at the big titles.
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
It's relevant as Roger was number 2 till he got injured. Now that he's fit again I expect him to have a good chance to return to the top if the AO is anything to go by.
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
In fact, as far as the year end rankings are concerned, it is better to defend points than not, as it means you are better seeded. Anyway Federer did himself a nice favor with his jump in AO. One good showing in Dubai an he might be already top 8. Being top 4 by Wimbledon is doable, and in fact the 4# seed there is easier for him than the #4 spot in the rankings given their own system. Then, barring upsets and injuries, a top 4 seed at USO is doable to say the least.
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
You mean, you think he has "a good chance" to become #1 again?

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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
(01-Feb-2017 08:55 AM)Front242 Wrote:  It's relevant as Roger was number 2 till he got injured. Now that he's fit again I expect him to have a good chance to return to the top if the AO is anything to go by.

Afaik, Roger got injured in/after AO 2016. He lost his #2 ranking by end of 2015.

I'm not saying it's impossible, and I'd love to see it; I just think he'll play a lighter schedule than he did then, and it'll be some feat to match the level he played at then (even though he didn't win a GS, so he's ahead on that count now).

In short, in addition to having a great year, Fed would have to rely on a significant fall in level from Djokovic and/or Murray, a limit to Nadal's resurgence, and none of the non-"big 4" pack making a big enough breakthrough.

Of course, I also didn't think Roger would win the AO ...
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
(01-Feb-2017 09:02 AM)Kieran Wrote:  You mean, you think he has "a good chance" to become #1 again?

Good chance of number 2 I reckon if Novak's slump continues and Murray is a beatable and not dominant number 1 as we've already seen. Points wise either is possible but clearly number 2 would be more realistically possible. Number 1 is merely a chance but it's not impossible. Winning a slam at age 35 against his nemesis shows anything is possible with the right draw. Got to get that disclaimer in there.
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
Ironically Roger had the "wrong" draw, or at least a very hard one that was slightly ameliorated by Mischa rather than Andy.
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
Yup, his initial draw was extremely tough but his actual draw as it turned out was also very tough. He truly won this one the hard way.
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
Berdych
Nishikori
Wawrinka
Nadal

That's some line up.

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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
(05-Feb-2017 11:23 AM)shivashish Wrote:  Berdych
Nishikori
Wawrinka
Nadal

That's some line up.

It is very simple to realize how tough was Roger's actual draw, if you look at the following tidbit. The last time a player needed to score four top 10 match wins to win a GS title was in 1982. That was Mats Wilander. It was 35 years ago. Cool

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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
The funny thing is that many times it looked like stars aligned for Roger to win one more GS (like in 2014 W, 2014 USO, 2015 W and 2015 USO). But, it didn't materialize. So, many posters (such as Moxie, who is no longer around these boards) posted saying even when stars align Fed is not making it happen and so he is done and there is very less chance that he will win another one.

This time stars "anti-aligned" so to speak and Fed delivered. Lay Down Laughing

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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
(05-Feb-2017 01:40 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  The funny thing is that many times it looked like stars aligned for Roger to win one more GS (like in 2014 W, 2014 USO, 2015 W and 2015 USO). But, it didn't materialize. So, many posters (such as Moxie, who is no longer around these boards) posted saying even when stars align Fed is not making it happen and so he is done and there is very less chance that he will win another one.

This time stars "anti-aligned" so to speak and Fed delivered. Lay Down Laughing
Yeah, the 18th title came in a odd situation.

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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
(07-Feb-2017 12:39 PM)shivashish Wrote:  
(05-Feb-2017 01:40 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  The funny thing is that many times it looked like stars aligned for Roger to win one more GS (like in 2014 W, 2014 USO, 2015 W and 2015 USO). But, it didn't materialize. So, many posters (such as Moxie, who is no longer around these boards) posted saying even when stars align Fed is not making it happen and so he is done and there is very less chance that he will win another one.

This time stars "anti-aligned" so to speak and Fed delivered. Lay Down Laughing
Yeah, the 18th title came in a odd situation.

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both Andy and Novak decided to offer Mr Vavrinec a nice present for his comeback...they lost early to allow him to win, aren't they great friends ??? let's see if they do it again all year long
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RE: Will Federer ever compete at world tour finals ever again?
(09-Feb-2017 09:24 AM)isabelle Wrote:  
(07-Feb-2017 12:39 PM)shivashish Wrote:  
(05-Feb-2017 01:40 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  The funny thing is that many times it looked like stars aligned for Roger to win one more GS (like in 2014 W, 2014 USO, 2015 W and 2015 USO). But, it didn't materialize. So, many posters (such as Moxie, who is no longer around these boards) posted saying even when stars align Fed is not making it happen and so he is done and there is very less chance that he will win another one.

This time stars "anti-aligned" so to speak and Fed delivered. Lay Down Laughing
Yeah, the 18th title came in a odd situation.

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both Andy and Novak decided to offer Mr Vavrinec a nice present for his comeback...they lost early to allow him to win, aren't they great friends ??? let's see if they do it again all year long
Mr. Bollywood wasn't the guy to be beaten at Oz Open anyway. Murray was, but he let himself drown by playing too passively against Melzer. He seemed to be lacking grand slam temperament inspite of having won 3.

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