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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
I'd settle for him saying he'll stay on tour another year to play Stuttgart Smile
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
(17-Mar-2017 02:03 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  
(17-Mar-2017 10:52 AM)DarthFed Wrote:  
(17-Mar-2017 08:40 AM)isabelle Wrote:  a miracle happened in AO....he's a good opportunist, he's right to play imo even if his chances are tiny

Absolutely. From about 2013 on I've thought his chances at AO are very very small and his chances at RG are a bit smaller. Well he just won AO and did it by going through a very difficult draw so of course he should play RG and any slam as long as he's healthy.

I think he will be flexible with his schedule, we have to remember that players are basically sharing "preliminary" schedules. Roger has always been great about not overplaying and he knows it's extra important not to do that at his age. So if he makes the final at IW, win or lose I think he will skip Miami. If he does well at RG I think he will skip the first grass tournament and just play Halle, etc.

I think Roger will play Miami even if he wins IW. This is because he likes long breaks. After Miami, he will take a six week hiatus and then play Rome as a token warm-up for RG and then RG.

But, I agree with you on the second part. If he goes deep at RG, he will probably withdraw from Stuttgart. But, he has signed a two year contract with them and so it will be a little bit difficult. But, he can always tell them that he will honor the remaining year in the next year.

But I thought you could not breach contracts?

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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
(18-Mar-2017 11:11 AM)shivashish Wrote:  
(17-Mar-2017 02:03 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  
(17-Mar-2017 10:52 AM)DarthFed Wrote:  Absolutely. From about 2013 on I've thought his chances at AO are very very small and his chances at RG are a bit smaller. Well he just won AO and did it by going through a very difficult draw so of course he should play RG and any slam as long as he's healthy.

I think he will be flexible with his schedule, we have to remember that players are basically sharing "preliminary" schedules. Roger has always been great about not overplaying and he knows it's extra important not to do that at his age. So if he makes the final at IW, win or lose I think he will skip Miami. If he does well at RG I think he will skip the first grass tournament and just play Halle, etc.

I think Roger will play Miami even if he wins IW. This is because he likes long breaks. After Miami, he will take a six week hiatus and then play Rome as a token warm-up for RG and then RG.

But, I agree with you on the second part. If he goes deep at RG, he will probably withdraw from Stuttgart. But, he has signed a two year contract with them and so it will be a little bit difficult. But, he can always tell them that he will honor the remaining year in the next year.

But I thought you could not breach contracts?

You can do anything if you are a goat.

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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
There are breach clauses, so you a pay a fine and it is settled.

Anyway, given how little time Federer spent on the court in IW (given that he actually won it), I would expect him to play Miami and hopefully further extend his lead on the race (he almost surely will extend his lead over Djokovic and Murray).

Actually, in RPM (Ranking Points per Minute on court), this tournament was perfect for Federer.
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Guess not Tongue
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
(22-Mar-2017 02:34 AM)Frode789 Wrote:  This schedule does not include 4 ATP 500 events. Seeing as October is packed with 2 Masters + Basel, I find it very unlikely that he will play any other ATP 500s that month. Aug/Sept. has 0 ATP 500s. I have never seen him play small tournaments between Wimbledon and the August Masters (or?), so that rules out Hamburg/DC as well. Halle and Hamburg (ATP 250) in June. May has no ATP 500s. Which leaves 1 month - April. And he has no events then. In other words Monte Carlo is the most likely option. And as a bonus it is a Masters 1000 (but still counts towards the ATP 500 requirement, as the event is not mandatory), and he has yet to win it.. Wink

Ever the optimist ... Smile

I am not sure that it makes sense for Fed to play too much on the clay. He definitely wouldn't do so if he feels it jeopardises his Wimbledon preparations.

But if he picks up another event over the hypothetical schedule above, I agree that Monte Carlo is the most likely choice. If he does play there, does it indicate that he thinks he has a serious chance at winning RG?
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
^It depends on the objective. If he wants to prepare to RG, then it is surely MC. If he wants to get to #1, then he gets Madrid. But I guess he´lll stick with only Rome.

A very early Miami exit could change something, as a Miami win, but even in those cases I guess he sticks to only one.
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
(22-Mar-2017 06:40 AM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 02:34 AM)Frode789 Wrote:  This schedule does not include 4 ATP 500 events. Seeing as October is packed with 2 Masters + Basel, I find it very unlikely that he will play any other ATP 500s that month. Aug/Sept. has 0 ATP 500s. I have never seen him play small tournaments between Wimbledon and the August Masters (or?), so that rules out Hamburg/DC as well. Halle and Hamburg (ATP 250) in June. May has no ATP 500s. Which leaves 1 month - April. And he has no events then. In other words Monte Carlo is the most likely option. And as a bonus it is a Masters 1000 (but still counts towards the ATP 500 requirement, as the event is not mandatory), and he has yet to win it.. Wink

Ever the optimist ... Smile

I am not sure that it makes sense for Fed to play too much on the clay. He definitely wouldn't do so if he feels it jeopardises his Wimbledon preparations.

But if he picks up another event over the hypothetical schedule above, I agree that Monte Carlo is the most likely choice. If he does play there, does it indicate that he thinks he has a serious chance at winning RG?

haha. If he's not feeling like he wants to play too much on clay, then he'll do Monte Carlo, but skip both Madrid and Rome, as he can skip any number of Masters due to age/years of service etc rule, but cannot skip the required 4 ATP 500 events per year.

However I think he'll play both Monte Carlo and Rome if he feels fit. And he might be a small dark-horse for RG. You never know, with the season he has had so far.. Smile
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
(22-Mar-2017 07:20 AM)Frode789 Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 06:40 AM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 02:34 AM)Frode789 Wrote:  This schedule does not include 4 ATP 500 events. Seeing as October is packed with 2 Masters + Basel, I find it very unlikely that he will play any other ATP 500s that month. Aug/Sept. has 0 ATP 500s. I have never seen him play small tournaments between Wimbledon and the August Masters (or?), so that rules out Hamburg/DC as well. Halle and Hamburg (ATP 250) in June. May has no ATP 500s. Which leaves 1 month - April. And he has no events then. In other words Monte Carlo is the most likely option. And as a bonus it is a Masters 1000 (but still counts towards the ATP 500 requirement, as the event is not mandatory), and he has yet to win it.. Wink

Ever the optimist ... Smile

I am not sure that it makes sense for Fed to play too much on the clay. He definitely wouldn't do so if he feels it jeopardises his Wimbledon preparations.

But if he picks up another event over the hypothetical schedule above, I agree that Monte Carlo is the most likely choice. If he does play there, does it indicate that he thinks he has a serious chance at winning RG?

haha. If he's not feeling like he wants to play too much on clay, then he'll do Monte Carlo, but skip both Madrid and Rome, as he can skip any number of Masters due to age/years of service etc rule, but cannot skip the required 4 ATP 500 events per year.

However I think he'll play both Monte Carlo and Rome if he feels fit. And he might be a small dark-horse for RG. You never know, with the season he has had so far.. Smile

Are you sure that he cannot skip the ATP 500 events? I thought he just won't get the points if he doesn't.

Raonic and Djokovic both have only 3 ATP 500 events listed in their current rankings.
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
Well the rules does say so:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/-/media/file...pter-i.pdf

D. Commitment
The commitment for the commitment player is, the singles event of all ATP World
Tour Masters 1000 tournaments for which he is accepted, the ATP World Tour Finals
(if qualified as a direct acceptance or designated as the alternate) and
four (4) ATP World Tour 500 tournaments, one (1) of which must be held following the US Open.
For commitment and ranking purposes, the Monte Carlo Masters 1000 will be included
in the minimum requirements for the 500 category.

The exemptions rule is specifically only regarding being able to skip Masters events.
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(22-Mar-2017 06:58 AM)mrzz Wrote:  ^It depends on the objective. If he wants to prepare to RG, then it is surely MC. If he wants to get to #1, then he gets Madrid. But I guess he´lll stick with only Rome.

A very early Miami exit could change something, as a Miami win, but even in those cases I guess he sticks to only one.

no MC for him
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
(22-Mar-2017 08:29 AM)isabelle Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 06:58 AM)mrzz Wrote:  ^It depends on the objective. If he wants to prepare to RG, then it is surely MC. If he wants to get to #1, then he gets Madrid. But I guess he´lll stick with only Rome.

A very early Miami exit could change something, as a Miami win, but even in those cases I guess he sticks to only one.

no MC for him

Read my above posts for why.
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(22-Mar-2017 07:48 AM)Frode789 Wrote:  Well the rules does say so:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/-/media/file...pter-i.pdf

D. Commitment
The commitment for the commitment player is, the singles event of all ATP World
Tour Masters 1000 tournaments for which he is accepted, the ATP World Tour Finals
(if qualified as a direct acceptance or designated as the alternate) and
four (4) ATP World Tour 500 tournaments, one (1) of which must be held following the US Open.
For commitment and ranking purposes, the Monte Carlo Masters 1000 will be included
in the minimum requirements for the 500 category.

The exemptions rule is specifically only regarding being able to skip Masters events.

Fed or for that matter even an ordinary commitment player can skip an ATP500. The only repercussion is that they will get a 0 counted towards their ranking. That's all.

For ranking purposes, they take your performance in 4 GS +8 Masters + six best results from other tourneys +WTF. If a commitment player plays only 3 ATP 500 events, a 0 will be used in one of
the six best results (even if they have a better result).

So, Fed can and will limit to three 500s (Dubai, Halle and Basel).

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That's what I thought GSM, thanks!
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
I think Novak only played one ATP 500 last year, and the difference in his and Andy's points was largely due to Andy's success at ATP 500s.
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(22-Mar-2017 11:56 AM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  That's what I thought GSM, thanks!

I must also mention that those who fail to play the required four 500s will also incur a financial penalty. But, this penalty is not out of pocket from the player. The commitment players get some extra financial benefits (besides the prize money from each tourney, sponsors, appearance fee) from ATP. There is a pool of money which is distributed as per the rules specified by ATP (basically based on ranking and behavior). Those who do not play the required four will get less than what their share would be otherwise from this pool (due to bad behavior).

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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
(22-Mar-2017 01:18 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 11:56 AM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  That's what I thought GSM, thanks!

I must also mention that those who fail to play the required four 500s will also incur a financial penalty. But, this penalty is not out of pocket from the player. The commitment players get some extra financial benefits (besides the prize money from each tourney, sponsors, appearance fee) from ATP. There is a pool of money which is distributed as per the rules specified by ATP (basically based on ranking and behavior). Those who do not play the required four will get less than what their share would be otherwise from this pool (due to bad behavior).

Very interesting. Financially it will not matter to Fed, but maybe he won't want to be seen as exhibiting "bad behaviour"?

I guess we'll know soon enough!
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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
(22-Mar-2017 02:27 PM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 01:18 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 11:56 AM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  That's what I thought GSM, thanks!

I must also mention that those who fail to play the required four 500s will also incur a financial penalty. But, this penalty is not out of pocket from the player. The commitment players get some extra financial benefits (besides the prize money from each tourney, sponsors, appearance fee) from ATP. There is a pool of money which is distributed as per the rules specified by ATP (basically based on ranking and behavior). Those who do not play the required four will get less than what their share would be otherwise from this pool (due to bad behavior).

Very interesting. Financially it will not matter to Fed, but maybe he won't want to be seen as exhibiting "bad behaviour"?

I guess we'll know soon enough!

We will indeed. If he picks Monte Carlo he'll be all clear Smile And he might just do that this year.
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(22-Mar-2017 02:27 PM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 01:18 PM)GameSetAndMath Wrote:  
(22-Mar-2017 11:56 AM)mightyjeditribble Wrote:  That's what I thought GSM, thanks!

I must also mention that those who fail to play the required four 500s will also incur a financial penalty. But, this penalty is not out of pocket from the player. The commitment players get some extra financial benefits (besides the prize money from each tourney, sponsors, appearance fee) from ATP. There is a pool of money which is distributed as per the rules specified by ATP (basically based on ranking and behavior). Those who do not play the required four will get less than what their share would be otherwise from this pool (due to bad behavior).

Very interesting. Financially it will not matter to Fed, but maybe he won't want to be seen as exhibiting "bad behaviour"?

I guess we'll know soon enough!

He will be seen as exhibiting "bad behavior". But, this is not the first time. He has not played four 500s several years.

Even financially, it is not a fine or penalty; It is just that instead of earning more from the pool, he will get little bit less.

I don't see any chance of Fed playing MC (even if he loses in the first round in Miami). He likes long breaks. He will take five or six continuous weeks of break after Miami.

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RE: Federer's Schedule for 2017
I hope he doesn't touch MC. No point chasing ATP 1000s when he has likely one last run in his career. It is easy to get ahead of oneself with all the hoopla surrounding every tournament he wins. He didn't win a single ATP 1000 in 2016. He has the confidence going right now but he has a history of lapses of concentration and choking in big matches.

Best take a long break after Miami and stay fresh.



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