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RE: What's going on in the world
(01-Mar-2014 02:56 PM)Kieran Wrote:  I don't think anything is going nuclear just yet...

Precisely. The concept of MAD basically tells you this. If nuclear warfare didn't happen in our bipolar world 40 years ago, it won't happen now.

(01-Mar-2014 05:51 PM)britbox Wrote:  
(01-Mar-2014 02:47 PM)JesuslookslikeBorg. Wrote:  latest news is Russian forces have been given orders to attack any advance by Ukraine's military..Confused and the Ukraine forces have just been put on 'combat alert'.

no one in the mainstream media has mentioned the word "nuclear" yet, or they have been told not to by the government in case people start freaking out.

I wouldn't worry about that JLLB - can't see anyone bringing nukes into play. Mutually Assured Destruction still applies. Sit back, relax, pull up a chair and watch a re-run of "Threads" to take your mind off things Smile




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02-Mar-2014 04:29 AM
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RE: What's going on in the world
(01-Mar-2014 05:51 PM)britbox Wrote:  
(01-Mar-2014 02:47 PM)JesuslookslikeBorg. Wrote:  latest news is Russian forces have been given orders to attack any advance by Ukraine's military..Confused and the Ukraine forces have just been put on 'combat alert'.

no one in the mainstream media has mentioned the word "nuclear" yet, or they have been told not to by the government in case people start freaking out.

I wouldn't worry about that JLLB - can't see anyone bringing nukes into play. Mutually Assured Destruction still applies. Sit back, relax, pull up a chair and watch a re-run of "Threads" to take your mind off things Smile




oh thank you old bean Rolleyes i cannot watch 'threads' Emperor on my own again, it freaked me out way too much..i watched it on my own when it was on tv in 1984, my parents didn't want to see it,

I watched 'the day after' (again)..the other day, I noticed that media quotes today/yesterday were saying stuff like "Russia has violated international law"..i heard that phrase in the day after too. Huh

on a lighter note..i think in threads is a scene where you can see the tv and its got the final score going from 'grandstand' with blue capitals boxed in a black background, as a Newcastle fan back then I saw a 2-2 draw with someone in div2 (shrewsbury I think) Smile feb/march 1984.

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RE: What's going on in the world
I see Georgian flags in the Ukranian protests...enemy of my enemy and so forth...can escalate things though.
Like others, I do not see nukes coming into play. That will be reserved for a situation in the Middle East I am afraid.

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RE: What's going on in the world
For the want of a better term, "it's interesting" how different the postures of Russia and the West are on this escalating scenario in Ukraine. The west is all rhetorical and legalistic ("remember that the world is watching", Germany and Russia "would continue consultations in bilateral and multilateral formats to seek the normalisation of the situation"), and meanwhile Putin has his chest greased up and his team are on the move.

The west thinks some diplomatic finger wagging will scare him, and Putin is thinking the way depraved tyrants and thugs have always thought - with frightening force and action. And there's only one winner here, and it isn't appeasers, empty suits, and empty threats. While the west protests the way Father Ted and Dougal did with placards in Father Ted ("Easy now", and "Down with that sort of thing"), Ukraine is in total fear and disarray, and about to have a large part of its country annexed...

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RE: What's going on in the world
With the "unwavering resolve" shown by the US and EU, Vlad could start pushing west and not slow down until he hits the New Jersey beaches in time for Memorial Day.
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RE: What's going on in the world
"Putin Goes to War" by David Remnick.
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RE: What's going on in the world
(02-Mar-2014 04:52 PM)tented Wrote:  "Putin Goes to War" by David Remnick.

Read that one earlier, brother: the accounts of the phone confab between Obama and Putin don't bode well...

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Exclamation RE: What's going on in the world
meanwhile William Hague has flown to Kiev to try and make the situation worse. Dodgy

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RE: What's going on in the world
Putin laid down some conditions to Obama earlier on...

[Image: putin-obama-g8.jpg]

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^^^^ Lol.
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RE: What's going on in the world
(02-Mar-2014 07:36 AM)1972Murat Wrote:  I see Georgian flags in the Ukranian protests...enemy of my enemy and so forth...can escalate things though.
Like others, I do not see nukes coming into play. That will be reserved for a situation in the Middle East I am afraid.


Murat, do you think that "religion" is the cause of the tensions in Ukraine?
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RE: What's going on in the world
(03-Mar-2014 12:44 AM)calitennis127 Wrote:  
(02-Mar-2014 07:36 AM)1972Murat Wrote:  I see Georgian flags in the Ukranian protests...enemy of my enemy and so forth...can escalate things though.
Like others, I do not see nukes coming into play. That will be reserved for a situation in the Middle East I am afraid.


Murat, do you think that "religion" is the cause of the tensions in Ukraine?

In a nutshell, no. Ukraine has an interesting past and a diverse population of people that are divided in their approach as to where the country should be headed, east or west. The country has been a part of so many different influences from Ottoman, to Polish to Austro-Hungarian that to me, it always had an identity crisis. Stalin's purges were never forgotten by its people.

Of course there is the Russia side of things as well. They would not mind a small piece of the empire back.

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RE: What's going on in the world
(02-Mar-2014 05:07 PM)JesuslookslikeBorg. Wrote:  meanwhile William Hague has flown to Kiev to try and make the situation worse. Dodgy

I think Putin would take more notice of Ronnie Corbett.
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Sad RE: What's going on in the world
nooooo Angry Russia announced if Ukraine do not give up Crimean peninsula by Tues morning (3am, GMT) they will launch an all out assault on them. Huh No No Emperor

ukraine have said that they will never give it up. ummm wut ??..putin has gone silly. not the news the world was wanting to hear.

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RE: What's going on in the world
Yeah, it's moving too fast. Regardless of whatever "contact-groups" and surveys they're drumming up in the west, Russia has decided there's only one course to take. China have said they support Russia.

The pawns in the front line are in disarray - the queen is exposed!

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(03-Mar-2014 09:08 AM)britbox Wrote:  
(02-Mar-2014 05:07 PM)JesuslookslikeBorg. Wrote:  meanwhile William Hague has flown to Kiev to try and make the situation worse. Dodgy

I think Putin would take more notice of Ronnie Corbett.

Ronnie Corbett: And it's goodnight from me...

Putin: And it's goodnight from him!

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RE: What's going on in the world
(03-Mar-2014 09:03 AM)1972Murat Wrote:  
(03-Mar-2014 12:44 AM)calitennis127 Wrote:  
(02-Mar-2014 07:36 AM)1972Murat Wrote:  I see Georgian flags in the Ukranian protests...enemy of my enemy and so forth...can escalate things though.
Like others, I do not see nukes coming into play. That will be reserved for a situation in the Middle East I am afraid.


Murat, do you think that "religion" is the cause of the tensions in Ukraine?

In a nutshell, no. Ukraine has an interesting past and a diverse population of people that are divided in their approach as to where the country should be headed, east or west. The country has been a part of so many different influences from Ottoman, to Polish to Austro-Hungarian that to me, it always had an identity crisis. Stalin's purges were never forgotten by its people.

Of course there is the Russia side of things as well. They would not mind a small piece of the empire back.

But dude, like, religion causes people to be, like, judgmental and stuff. And it makes people get, like, super-intense about things instead of just chillin out. When I get stoned, I see the world, like, really clear and I don't see what the big deal is about this religion stuff.

To me, whenever people get heated and into conflicts it's because of religion, so like, I'm sure that religion has something to do with the Ukraine. Know what I mean dude?
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RE: What's going on in the world
(03-Mar-2014 09:53 PM)calitennis127 Wrote:  
(03-Mar-2014 09:03 AM)1972Murat Wrote:  
(03-Mar-2014 12:44 AM)calitennis127 Wrote:  
(02-Mar-2014 07:36 AM)1972Murat Wrote:  I see Georgian flags in the Ukranian protests...enemy of my enemy and so forth...can escalate things though.
Like others, I do not see nukes coming into play. That will be reserved for a situation in the Middle East I am afraid.


Murat, do you think that "religion" is the cause of the tensions in Ukraine?

In a nutshell, no. Ukraine has an interesting past and a diverse population of people that are divided in their approach as to where the country should be headed, east or west. The country has been a part of so many different influences from Ottoman, to Polish to Austro-Hungarian that to me, it always had an identity crisis. Stalin's purges were never forgotten by its people.

Of course there is the Russia side of things as well. They would not mind a small piece of the empire back.

But dude, like, religion causes people to be, like, judgmental and stuff. And it makes people get, like, super-intense about things instead of just chillin out. When I get stoned, I see the world, like, really clear and I don't see what the big deal is about this religion stuff.

To me, whenever people get heated and into conflicts it's because of religion, so like, I'm sure that religion has something to do with the Ukraine. Know what I mean dude?

You sound like you just ingested some bad PCP...Wink

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RE: What's going on in the world
(03-Mar-2014 10:15 PM)1972Murat Wrote:  
(03-Mar-2014 09:53 PM)calitennis127 Wrote:  But dude, like, religion causes people to be, like, judgmental and stuff. And it makes people get, like, super-intense about things instead of just chillin out. When I get stoned, I see the world, like, really clear and I don't see what the big deal is about this religion stuff.

To me, whenever people get heated and into conflicts it's because of religion, so like, I'm sure that religion has something to do with the Ukraine. Know what I mean dude?

You sound like you just ingested some bad PCP...Wink

Celebrate Well played Murat.

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Puzzled a scary stand off between russia/Ukraine soldiers at an airbase in southern Ukraine earlier then...Confused

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