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How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
When Nehmeth mentioned during Monte Carlo that Stan is now coached by Magnu Norman, the alarm bell rang in my head. And since than he is on a tear, which is unusual to him.
It is hard for me not to try to think about what influence had Norman on Soderling's careeer, when watching now Stan.
Remember, Robin became in his mid twenties, suddenly a top 10 player, contender in slams, from the average top 20-30 player, reaching a career high ranking #4 for a few weeks.
The announcement came out on April 16, during MC, and since Stan has lost only one match to Tsonga and he has compiled 12-1 , and 3-1 against top 10.
What the announcement said they will team up for a trial period until RG, before the large events for now.
I personally will watch fascinated, as I think Magnus will work his magic once again, mainly because Stan was having similar issues like Robin, regarding confidence and mental weakness, whcih Robin improved upon, while with him. There are already good signs showing up, faster than I was expecting.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
So, he is coaching both Dimitrov and Wawrinka and they are both in their best ever forms. Amazing!
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(11-May-2013 11:42 PM)Mastoor Wrote:  So, he is coaching both Dimitrov and Wawrinka and they are both in their best ever forms. Amazing!
Actually no, Dimitrov's coach is Tillstrom, who is a coach at Norman's academy, Stan has Norman personally in his box.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
I don't quite see Stan being on the level of the second tier guys (Ferrer, Tsonga, del Potro, Berdych) but I could see him in the next tier with guys like Tipsarevic and Gasquet for a year or two - the #9-15ish range.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
(12-May-2013 09:39 PM)El Dude Wrote:  I don't quite see Stan being on the level of the second tier guys (Ferrer, Tsonga, del Potro, Berdych) but I could see him in the next tier with guys like Tipsarevic and Gasquet for a year or two - the #9-15ish range.

He is already 10th, following Madrid, so that is quite an accomplishment, after being only 3 weeks with Norman. I think he can still improve further, and why you do not see him in the same league with those guys? Didn't he just defeated Murray, Tsonga and Berdych? if defeating them isn't a proof that he could be at least equal to them, then what is it??
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
(13-May-2013 12:28 PM)herios Wrote:  
(12-May-2013 09:39 PM)El Dude Wrote:  I don't quite see Stan being on the level of the second tier guys (Ferrer, Tsonga, del Potro, Berdych) but I could see him in the next tier with guys like Tipsarevic and Gasquet for a year or two - the #9-15ish range.

He is already 10th, following Madrid, so that is quite an accomplishment, after being only 3 weeks with Norman. I think he can still improve further, and why you do not see him in the same league with those guys? Didn't he just defeated Murray, Tsonga and Berdych? if defeating them isn't a proof that he could be at least equal to them, then what is it??

Speaking for myself, of course, I'll consider Stan to be on their level once he has stayed within the top 15 for more than a month or two. Also, he'll need to demonstrate that taking down top guys isn't an occasional great thing.

Benneteau, for example, has beaten Roger a few times, which is terrific for him, but he isn't able to beat the top players on anything even approaching a regular basis -- hence his ranking.

I'm not saying Stan can't stay within the top 15, but he hasn't done enough for me to think he definitely will. But maybe that will happen now that he's with Norman.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
(13-May-2013 01:31 PM)tented Wrote:  
(13-May-2013 12:28 PM)herios Wrote:  
(12-May-2013 09:39 PM)El Dude Wrote:  I don't quite see Stan being on the level of the second tier guys (Ferrer, Tsonga, del Potro, Berdych) but I could see him in the next tier with guys like Tipsarevic and Gasquet for a year or two - the #9-15ish range.

He is already 10th, following Madrid, so that is quite an accomplishment, after being only 3 weeks with Norman. I think he can still improve further, and why you do not see him in the same league with those guys? Didn't he just defeated Murray, Tsonga and Berdych? if defeating them isn't a proof that he could be at least equal to them, then what is it??

Speaking for myself, of course, I'll consider Stan to be on their level once he has stayed within the top 15 for more than a month or two. Also, he'll need to demonstrate that taking down top guys isn't an occasional great thing.

Benneteau, for example, has beaten Roger a few times, which is terrific for him, but he isn't able to beat the top players on anything even approaching a regular basis -- hence his ranking.

I'm not saying Stan can't stay within the top 15, but he hasn't done enough for me to think he definitely will. But maybe that will happen now that he's with Norman.

The whole point of my thread wass where "WILL" he be led, in the future, and of course that will be answered in time. Just saying that the signs are there. If he did do it in the last few weeks, all he needs to achieve consistency along as well, because that is all about to stay in the top 10, being more consistent through the year at the higher level of play not only ocassionally.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 11:54 PM)herios Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 11:42 PM)Mastoor Wrote:  So, he is coaching both Dimitrov and Wawrinka and they are both in their best ever forms. Amazing!
Actually no, Dimitrov's coach is Tillstrom, who is a coach at Norman's academy, Stan has Norman personally in his box.

Magnus Norman was watching Dimitrov beating No1e in madrid.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
Bumping this thread up, to show how well and how early I sensed Stan Wawrinka' s rising.
It was only because his results changed instantly after teaming up with Magnus.
At that time, only El Dude and tented bothered replying, everyone else ignored it.
I have felt he could become a top 8 player right away, going up to #5 in less than a year is really spectacular and unexpected even by me.
He improved his best results in 3 out of the 4 majors (RG first QF, USO first SF and AO first final) and had a hicup at Wimbledon eliminated in R1.
Now I am going to re-evaluate my prediction considering the past few months, because I think there is more upside for him.
He has been always at best on clay, therefore I think he can still improve at RG, where he should be able to get at least in a SF after Tsonga, Berdych were able to do it and of course, he was in R4 in Wimbledon in the past I see no reason why we will not be able to match that at least.
If he does well in these 2 events this year, TOP 3-4 is a realistic possibility considering how tightly bunched they are right now (around 3-6 ranking).
Currently he is the "story" in men tennis, aside Nadal and not the young guns or the former "Big 4".

Keep iy up Stan, regardless of the outcome of this final.

I am now curious to see what El Dude and tented are saying after 8 months went by, or anyone else for that matter.

Allez!
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
Good on you herios. I've always liked Stan too, but I still don't want to have too many expectations of him. Just enjoying it when he does well. I really don't see him seriously bother the Big 4 on a regular basis though. Novak should have won that match a few days ago.
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(25-Jan-2014 09:35 AM)Denisovich Wrote:  Good on you herios. I've always liked Stan too, but I still don't want to have too many expectations of him. Just enjoying it when he does well. I really don't see him seriously bother the Big 4 on a regular basis though. Novak should have won that match a few days ago.

He has defeated Murray twice last year at Monte Carlo and USO and Nole here at AO. He gets better and better, that is what is important.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
(25-Jan-2014 09:46 AM)herios Wrote:  
(25-Jan-2014 09:35 AM)Denisovich Wrote:  Good on you herios. I've always liked Stan too, but I still don't want to have too many expectations of him. Just enjoying it when he does well. I really don't see him seriously bother the Big 4 on a regular basis though. Novak should have won that match a few days ago.

He has defeated Murray twice last year at Monte Carlo and USO and Nole here at AO. He gets better and better, that is what is important.

Good call Herios!

I keep my fingers crossed for Stan tomorrow, although it is a long shot to say the least. I think at least holds this year and makes the WTF. Maybe wins a masters? I did not see this rise coming even with Norman in his corner.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
herios: I'm curious...How many guys has Norman coached ("Coaching" meaning "head coach" of pros)?
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
He was with Soderling too off the top of my head but before Sod's rise to elite status. Man, I miss Soderling Sad
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
(25-Jan-2014 09:24 AM)herios Wrote:  Bumping this thread up, to show how well and how early I sensed Stan Wawrinka' s rising.
It was only because his results changed instantly after teaming up with Magnus.
At that time, only El Dude and tented bothered replying, everyone else ignored it.
I have felt he could become a top 8 player right away, going up to #5 in less than a year is really spectacular and unexpected even by me.
He improved his best results in 3 out of the 4 majors (RG first QF, USO first SF and AO first final) and had a hicup at Wimbledon eliminated in R1.
Now I am going to re-evaluate my prediction considering the past few months, because I think there is more upside for him.
He has been always at best on clay, therefore I think he can still improve at RG, where he should be able to get at least in a SF after Tsonga, Berdych were able to do it and of course, he was in R4 in Wimbledon in the past I see no reason why we will not be able to match that at least.
If he does well in these 2 events this year, TOP 3-4 is a realistic possibility considering how tightly bunched they are right now (around 3-6 ranking).
Currently he is the "story" in men tennis, aside Nadal and not the young guns or the former "Big 4".

Keep iy up Stan, regardless of the outcome of this final.

I am now curious to see what El Dude and tented are saying after 8 months went by, or anyone else for that matter.

Allez!

There's no denying his results have improved, and his ranking has increased from No. 17 to No. 5 since last year's MC. Also, the ranking has been a steady increase, vs. going up and down.

So, yes, you were correct: Magnus Norman has definitely helped Stan improve.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
Front: If Norman has coached only two guys, and both have made the finals of majors in the era of "The Big 4", then I think his stock should be shooting through the roof...FAST!

Not counting "The Big 4", who, other than Soderling and Wawrinka, has made the final of a major in the past several years? Off the top of my head, only Tsonga (AO 2008), Berdych (Wimbledon 2010), and Ferrer (FO 2013).
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I think you have them all covered there, I. Haychew. And yeah, agree about Norman. Great coach as clearly the results show.
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
(25-Jan-2014 06:49 PM)I. Haychew Wrote:  Front: If Norman has coached only two guys, and both have made the finals of majors in the era of "The Big 4", then I think his stock should be shooting through the roof...FAST!

Not counting "The Big 4", who, other than Soderling and Wawrinka, has made the final of a major in the past several years? Off the top of my head, only Tsonga (AO 2008), Berdych (Wimbledon 2010), and Ferrer (FO 2013).

Add 2009 Delpo US Open to that list and that's about it...

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(25-Jan-2014 07:47 PM)1972Murat Wrote:  
(25-Jan-2014 06:49 PM)I. Haychew Wrote:  Front: If Norman has coached only two guys, and both have made the finals of majors in the era of "The Big 4", then I think his stock should be shooting through the roof...FAST!

Not counting "The Big 4", who, other than Soderling and Wawrinka, has made the final of a major in the past several years? Off the top of my head, only Tsonga (AO 2008), Berdych (Wimbledon 2010), and Ferrer (FO 2013).

Add 2009 Delpo US Open to that list and that's about it...

Oops. Forgot about him. Cheers Cool
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RE: How far will Magnus Norman lead Stan Wawrinka
(25-Jan-2014 07:47 PM)1972Murat Wrote:  
(25-Jan-2014 06:49 PM)I. Haychew Wrote:  Front: If Norman has coached only two guys, and both have made the finals of majors in the era of "The Big 4", then I think his stock should be shooting through the roof...FAST!

Not counting "The Big 4", who, other than Soderling and Wawrinka, has made the final of a major in the past several years? Off the top of my head, only Tsonga (AO 2008), Berdych (Wimbledon 2010), and Ferrer (FO 2013).

Add 2009 Delpo US Open to that list and that's about it...

Good catch, Murat... and somewhat embarrassing for me (can't believe I forgot about that one)!
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