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Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
Rafa leads the Series 8-0

Rafa has won all 3 clay meetings in straights. The most recent was a QF in Monte Carlo last year. Can Stan's new found confidence break the tide against the Spanish bull?

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11-May-2013 02:06 PM
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
Wow, you're lightning fast with the poll!

I'll go with Rafa in three. These days, he finds a way to lose a set in moments like these, and I suspect he'll do it again.
11-May-2013 02:07 PM
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
Rafa in two competitive sets.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??

You said it. If it isn't clear after the Fuentes case that Spain is corrupt I dunno what more proof we need. That said, in terms of favouring the home favourite Spain is no different than any other country.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
Rafa in two. He would be the favorite anyway and on top of that Stan has played so much tennis the last two weeks that it will almost inevitably catch up with him in this one. I'd say a competitive first set and and easier second set, both in favor of Rafa.

(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??
I find it hard to believe that they would consciously set up a campaign to ruin Wawrinka's chances though. It's not as though he was expected to make the final.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 03:55 PM)jhar26 Wrote:  Rafa in two. He would be the favorite anyway and on top of that Stan has played so much tennis the last two weeks that it will almost inevitably catch up with him in this one. I'd say a competitive first set and and easier second set, both in favor of Rafa.

(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??
I find it hard to believe that they would consciously set up a campaign to ruin Wawrinka's chances though. It's not as though he was expected to make the final.

Well, it's not so much that any tournament goes out of the way to ruin any particular players chances but they do clearly in any country (and Spain is no different here) obviously do what they can to help the home favourite. It's only natural really. Could be seen as unfair but again, all countries do the same so that's life.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 04:05 PM)Front242 Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 03:55 PM)jhar26 Wrote:  Rafa in two. He would be the favorite anyway and on top of that Stan has played so much tennis the last two weeks that it will almost inevitably catch up with him in this one. I'd say a competitive first set and and easier second set, both in favor of Rafa.

(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??
I find it hard to believe that they would consciously set up a campaign to ruin Wawrinka's chances though. It's not as though he was expected to make the final.

Well, it's not so much that any tournament goes out of the way to ruin any particular players chances but they do clearly in any country (and Spain is no different here) obviously do what they can to help the home favourite. It's only natural really. Could be seen as unfair but again, all countries do the same so that's life.

Sure, I agree, it is unfair, but they do it everywhere. Whoever is likely to get the most viewers on television during prime time usually also plays a huge role in the order of play. In that regard they probably could have done a better job if they had actually given Nadal the first evening matches. But I don't know if this tournament, or how much of this tournament is televised in Spain.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 04:05 PM)Front242 Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 03:55 PM)jhar26 Wrote:  Rafa in two. He would be the favorite anyway and on top of that Stan has played so much tennis the last two weeks that it will almost inevitably catch up with him in this one. I'd say a competitive first set and and easier second set, both in favor of Rafa.

(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??
I find it hard to believe that they would consciously set up a campaign to ruin Wawrinka's chances though. It's not as though he was expected to make the final.

Well, it's not so much that any tournament goes out of the way to ruin any particular players chances but they do clearly in any country (and Spain is no different here) obviously do what they can to help the home favourite. It's only natural really. Could be seen as unfair but again, all countries do the same so that's life.

OK, so do we expect comes Basel they will put Rafa to play at midnight?Tongue
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 04:15 PM)herios Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 04:05 PM)Front242 Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 03:55 PM)jhar26 Wrote:  Rafa in two. He would be the favorite anyway and on top of that Stan has played so much tennis the last two weeks that it will almost inevitably catch up with him in this one. I'd say a competitive first set and and easier second set, both in favor of Rafa.

(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??
I find it hard to believe that they would consciously set up a campaign to ruin Wawrinka's chances though. It's not as though he was expected to make the final.

Well, it's not so much that any tournament goes out of the way to ruin any particular players chances but they do clearly in any country (and Spain is no different here) obviously do what they can to help the home favourite. It's only natural really. Could be seen as unfair but again, all countries do the same so that's life.

OK, so do we expect comes Basel they will put Rafa to play at midnight?Tongue

Exactly. I mean Fed always got rough treatment in Miami compared to Roddick but what do you expect.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
Rafa in two (hopefully entertaining) sets. I would like Stan to win just because it is likely to be one of a handful of shots for him to win the title. It might give him some extra motivation to fight the fatigue. But being realistic Rafa is just a much better player and he'll take this one I guess.

As to the home advantage, I don't see the problem. All tourney's do this. They want to sell tickets among other things, and you sell more tickets if the local favorite stays in the tournament. Even if its not just the tickets it makes sense, it's just those little things they can do for their own players. It's a little unfair, but it's really a minor thing.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
If the DTL backhand is working, I'll give Stan a set...if not, Rafa in straights, like 7-5, 6-1.

By the way, Rafa made the final in every tournament he entered since his comeback. That cannot be easy.

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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 05:41 PM)1972Murat Wrote:  If the DTL backhand is working, I'll give Stan a set...if not, Rafa in straights, like 7-5, 6-1.

By the way, Rafa made the final in every tournament he entered since his comeback. That cannot be easy.

Uncharacteristically, I voted Rafa in 3. Stan may be a bit gassed, but he's motivated, and playing well. I think Rafa will beat him, but I'll be wearing my lucky shirt. Angel

Good point about Rafa making the final of every tournament he's been in since he's been back.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
Nadal in 2.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 07:48 PM)Broken_Shoelace Wrote:  Nadal in 2.

For once, you're more optimistic than me. Smile But I'll take it.
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 03:15 PM)Front242 Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??

You said it. If it isn't clear after the Fuentes case that Spain is corrupt I dunno what more proof we need. That said, in terms of favouring the home favourite Spain is no different than any other country.

He's favoured by schedulers in Paris and Rome too, isn't he?
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 11:36 PM)Mastoor Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 03:15 PM)Front242 Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??

You said it. If it isn't clear after the Fuentes case that Spain is corrupt I dunno what more proof we need. That said, in terms of favouring the home favourite Spain is no different than any other country.

He's favoured by schedulers in Paris and Rome too, isn't he?

Dunno about Rome but in RG if you mean playing in the rain I think any tournament would have stopped when it started raining heavily like that last year. It was ok at first but got pretty heavy so they had no choice really. I know Djokovic got annoyed 'cos his momentum was gone (I did too 'cos I knew the outcome after that and checking weather Paris for Monday) and it ended up sunny next day which obviously completely changed the outcome but they're playing tennis, not water polo.
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(11-May-2013 11:36 PM)Mastoor Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 03:15 PM)Front242 Wrote:  
(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??

You said it. If it isn't clear after the Fuentes case that Spain is corrupt I dunno what more proof we need. That said, in terms of favouring the home favourite Spain is no different than any other country.

He's favoured by schedulers in Paris and Rome too, isn't he?

Gee, I wonder if he's done anything in those tournament to earn this treatment...
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 02:57 PM)lacatch Wrote:  How come Nadal has had all day matches which favors him: 1)Warmer sunnier conditions help his spin, etc; 2)He doesn't have to stay up late at night (like Stan 2 nights in a row) and come back the next day and play? A bit of favoritism for the homeboy??
Maybe its because Rafa moonlights teaching English at the local university in MadridBlush
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RE: Madrid 2013 F: Nadal vs Wawrinka
(11-May-2013 02:06 PM)kskate2 Wrote:  Rafa leads the Series 8-0

Rafa has won all 3 clay meetings in straights. The most recent was a QF in Monte Carlo last year. Can Stan's new found confidence break the tide against the Spanish bull?

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